Jesus, a sinner like me?

[Metroplex]

The bible says that 'there is none good, no not one... they are all an unclean thing'

and Jesus said to someone who called him 'good' teacher: 'why do you call me good, there is none who is good, save God', and he also WAS baptised which ironically was a ritual to wash away one's sins... SO here is the riddle, christians say that Jesus was 100% sinless, completely good, no weak spots... how can we reconcile these anomalies, was Jesus just a man not a god and just a sinner like the rest of us?

WAS Jesus 10000000000000000000000000000000% super good? God?

[Ouroboros]

Considering Mary was made pregnant by the Holy Spook around the age of 12, God (including Jesus) then committed statutory rape. So yes, God, and including Jesus, sinned.

[Asimov]

Considering Mary was made pregnant by the Holy Spook around the age of 12, God (including Jesus) then committed statutory rape.

 

Well...I don't know if I agree with that statement (only according to biblical accounts). How is it statutory rape?

[Ouroboros]

Considering Mary was made pregnant by the Holy Spook around the age of 12, God (including Jesus) then committed statutory rape.

 

Well...I don't know if I agree with that statement (only according to biblical accounts). How is it statutory rape?

Yeah, you're right. Maybe it was a bit over the top.

 

The age I got from the TV show recently when they mentioned that Mary were most likely 12 years old in the nativity story. According to tradition etc.

 

Secondly, Christians keeps on comparing sin and morality, and in our society today the legal age for sex is 16-18 years old or up. And older person having sex with a minor, is automatically statutory rape.

 

So considering that Christians wants to equate sin with immorality, and we today view statutory rape as immoral, "God" should have known that even back 2000 years ago.

 

It's just an example of how morality is dynamic and changes with the times and culture, and not static according to and old code. If it had been static, than what is immoral today should have been immoral yesterday. But since it's not, it looks more like morality of today seems to have reached a higher level than "God" knew 2000 years ago.

 

Hence my little rant of how "God" committed an immoral (or sinful) act.

[SkepticOfBible]

Lets not forget about imputed sin which allegedly passed down from Adam. Obvously Jesus got that too.

 

I would say she was raped, but she was certainly in violation of Deut 22:22-24

 

There also isn't any wiggle room in God's law on this issue of a woman being impregnated by a source other than her husband or husband-to-be:

 

 

Deut 22:22-24

If a man be found lying with a woman married to an husband, then they shall both of them die, both the man that lay with the woman, and the woman: so shalt thou put away evil from Israel.

If a damsel that is a virgin be betrothed unto an husband, and a man find her in the city, and lie with her;

Then ye shall bring them both out unto the gate of that city, and ye shall stone them with stones that they die; the damsel, because she cried not, being in the city; and the man, because he hath humbled his neighbour's wife: so thou shalt put away evil from among you.

 

 

Now, Christians will claim that since Mary was impregnated by God and not an ordinary man this impregnation is not a violation of the law but is excused under the divine right of God to do as he pleases.

Unfortunately this claim is hollow. Are we to believe that a holy, righteous God would give out laws that he will ignore and transgress himself? Would a holy and righteous God involve a human woman in the transgression of the very law he commanded his people to follow at all times?

Does this holy, righteous God practice situational ethics where rules are bent and violated at his whim?

If the answer to these questions is yes, then this deity does not occupy the moral high ground his followers constantly claim that he occupies.

 

In a very real sense, Jesus was a bastard. Jesus was the product of an illegitimate relationship. According to God, bastards and their offspring are not allowed into the congregation of the Lord.

 

 

Deut 23:2

A bastard shall not enter into the congregation of the LORD; even to his tenth generation shall he not enter into the congregation of the LORD.

 

 

Of course, Christians will claim that Jesus wasn't a bastard because Joseph and Mary were eventually married but what real difference does that make? Jesus was the product of an impregnation that was not in keeping with God's laws to humanity. Perhaps God can exempt himself from his own standards and laws but Mary was human and was supposed to be subject to the same statutes as any other human.

 

The Genealogies Of Jesus

[Ouroboros]

Another thing, Jesus did break the law by working on a Sunday. He was correctly accused by the pharisees, and using his God-status to override it was a bad thing to do, since you want to live what you learn, and you want to lead by example. He practically told and showed the disciples to break the Sabbath law. If he was God, than he should have not created that law to begin with if he was planning on breaking it or putting himself over it. Son of God or not son of God, he was a bad example when he broke it.

[Mythra]

Jesus says that anyone who says "you fool" to someone else is in danger of the fires of hell. Serious shit, calling someone a fool. Anything that would put you in danger of hell must be a sin.

 

Course, Jesus goes ahead and does it a couple times after he said not to. (But only when he was really pissed)

[Ouroboros]

Jesus says that anyone who says "you fool" to someone else is in danger of the fires of hell. Serious shit, calling someone a fool. Anything that would put you in danger of hell must be a sin.

 

Course, Jesus goes ahead and does it a couple times after he said not to. (But only when he was really pissed)

Of course you can do it, if you're the "Slob of Glob", then it's okay.

And when you're really pissed, then your excused from the rule...

Those are the exceptions that settles the rule.

[Ouroboros]

Hans, I'm not sure if you knew this or not but technically the official Sabbath is from Friday sundown to Saturday sundown. Days back then were from sundown to sundown, midnight time keeping was introduced later. There are many denominations who keep the Sabbath as per the OT law, I have no clue where Sunday "Sabbath" Christians get their scriptural authority that changes Sabbath to Sunday, it is not scriptural. Of course many sects say that the Sabbath is gone altogether, but that's another thread.

Darn it! You're right, and did know that, but in my haste of writing my post I wrote "Sunday", when it should have been Sabbath. Sorry!

 

By the way, the Christian Sunday was picked of the simple reason to exclude the Jews in the dark ages. It was completely intentional.

[Mythra]

The writing of the Jesus story reminds me of some of the eulogies I see in the newspaper. Usually you can read between the lines.

 

"Joe loved spending time with his friends" (while drunk down at the local bar)

 

"Dave valued his privacy" (They found his stash of porn in a box in the closet)

 

"Bill was selfless in devoting time to his church" (Religious bigot - looked down on anyone who didn't think exactly like him)

 

"Jack loved spending time with his grandkids" (his fat ass slept in the recliner chair while his grandkids watched cartoons on TV)

 

Of course Jesus was sinless. (So was Heracles, Pythagoras, and Plato)