MarkG Posted August 13, 2012 Share Posted August 13, 2012 You don't have to live in a 'Limbo' of uncertainty... You can find out where your church messed you up. All churches today are messed up. In fact, you shouldn't go back to them, they'll just confuse you again. Christianity of today is Apostate Christianity. As told in the book of Revelation, that near the end of days, the church would be an apostate church. Christianity of today is a perversion, it is incomplete doctrine and therefore a cult. The crux of it's perversion is the belief that Jesus is God. This is a dark twist, a false premise, from which all the other lies of it evolve. Let me (Him,hopefully).. explain... But Jesus never said he was God! In fact there are many places where he indicated clearly that he was not. But when anyone is introduced to Christianity now-a-days, one of the first things they say in introducing the new person is that 'Jesus is God'... Or that he was 'son of god and God' at the same time! Boy, how do you put those two together without becomming completely illogical! So, when the new person reads the bible, when he comes to any part of the bible that clearly indicates otherwise, he cannot see it. Or if he does see it, he overlooks it because that's not what the preacher says, or his freind says. In other words, they are pre-hypnotized to overlook all the passages in the bible that say that Jesus is not God. Jesus, however, is instead a 'son of god' (the first-born, as a matter of fact). And all the christians are to see themselves as 2nd born, 3rd born, 4th born etc. all the way to millionth born..etc..etc. The problem with this 'Jesus is God' theory is that it lead to the conclusion that only Jesus can be perfect. And that the new christian can therefore be expected to always be imperfect, sinning again and again, as long as he repents afterwards. This is failure and leads to much unnecassary guilt feelings in the life of the new christian... as he desperately tries to improve over and over to be a better person, but fails again.... a rigid, restrictive, mechanical kind of life which isn't really fun at all.... the new christian must then wear a fake smile to the world, covering up the remorse he feels inside for not having 'made the grade'.... and when he does improve in morality, he finds that it is only temporary and falls back again later into despair...secretley wondering if he is really saved, or is a member of a false cult that didn't teach him the whole truth or didn't lead him to salvation properly. Based on this false belief, they then have collected other verses in the bible, (out of context verses), that support this view, that to be a christian is to be a failing sinner, saved by grace. To live as a phony good person on the outside, while concealing secret lusts, and envies, and hatreds on the inside. And, if the christian is not sincere enough, may or may not loose his so-called 'salvation'. And therefore, you can be a sinner and sin over and over again, just so long as you 'repent' and say the sinners prayer to get forgiveness again and again. This way of life is known as 'being a hypocrite', or 'looser'. It means putting on a good looking act for others, while practicing sins in the dark when no ones around... sins of pornography, or hatred, or other evil machinations. Even on the street in your Sunday best you could get the desire to get in someones pants even when talking to your mother..What a way to live! Two faced and Psychitzophrenic. Most of us could not go on being a phony christian like this and would rather be 'non-christian'. We felt that being a phony christian would only make us more and more deserving of a worse and worse part of Hell when we died. We felt that it would be better to 'quit while we were ahead' instead of becomming more and more of a phony hypocrite. Being a hypocrite made us feel like a 'deceiver'.... after all, weren't we deceiving others when we were really dirty on the inside, but acting clean on the outside? Weren't we merely walking liers? What a terrible way to exist, and we felt so undeserving because of being happy, of having any good thing happen to us, because we felt so d*mn guilty all the time. No one showed us how to clean the inside of our cups. And Jesus said to the pharisees that we must have our insides clean, then our outside would be clean also. But God cleans the inside of our cups... were not supposed to do it. But no one showed us how to become clean on the inside. So we felt condemned.. insincere.. one of the devil's own... what a terrrible thought... if there really was a hell...we would surly go there, we thought... Imagine living life like this...what a lousy way to exist.. I don't know, but how many just decided to end it all? But one thing they overlooked to teach in church,or purposely did not teach.. one thing they never emphasized that could have helped us so much... was... "It is not I who sinned, but sin that made a home in me" This is what Paul said in the book of Romans. Romans 7:16--- I do what I don't want to do. So I agree that the law is good.17As it is, I am no longer the one who does these things. It is sin living in me that does them. Here we see that Paul the apostle has identified a second creature existing within us. And it is this creature that sins in us. In other words, we are 'possessed', some, more than others, by this hidden creature inside. Most people can still cover it up pretty good, or distract themselves from seeing it by going to a movie or listening to our favorite music or t.v. program.. But after the lights are gone and the day is over, it re-emerges and presents itself to us again. It is our conscience that shows it to us... it is trying to lead us back...It is removing the 'veil' from our eyes. We are the prodigle son who is afraid to go back home to 'Dad' (heavenly dad).. but sooner or later, the pain gets so great, that we have no choice but to go back, or think that killing ourselves will solve the problem..Or perhaps a friend will introduce us to a new and better drug to kill the pain of our conscience. And perhaps it will for a long time, but then the pain of conscience will again over-power the effect of the drug, and we will once again need to make that decision. The decision to go on the road Home. It is not so hard as you think. In the begginning it might be hard. And, if you have been on the road of sin for a long time, it might take a longer time before all the sin-nature can be purged from you. But the important thing is that you will be on the right road... and if you die before you reach your 'Dad's House and His loving embrace..' (of old age or whatever), you will go there anyway...for you were on the right road. There is a way back... Close your eyes and look at the inside of your eyelids.. You will see thousands of little golden lights floating around. Then project these lights into the fingers of your right hand. These little lights are re-programming you from the inside. They are remolding your mind from within..They are like when your satelite dish recieves signals from the atmosphere to put a program on your t.v. set. Do this 3 times a day for 5 minutes... to get you centered... Because,, in your center... God is there. After all, He is the center of the Universe. He is not a God on a throne.... He is 'God Conciousness' . c He is not a silly bible story, but is inside you now, holding together your body.. and you are just His channel, nothing more. So, take a back seat, and let Him take charge of His domain (that body/brain) you see before you. The images and thoughts in your mind are 'The Trespasser', the 'Intruder', the 'Imposter'... You are not it. So don't feel guilty about what it did in your life. You are merely a channel, your brain/body are merely a channel, you never did the lousy things it did to screw up your life. That is why you are forgiven now.. because it was never you! So here is where true forgiveness comes in.... and why you were forgiven before you were born. It was the sin nature that grew up in you since you were a child. You had no controll over it. It was passed onto you by your culture and by your superiors and parents and siblings who mis-treated you or seduced you. There was nothing you could do as it took shape in you. You were too young to even understand it's tricks. So don't you see that God does not hold it against you. You will feel afraid of comming to the light, but realize it is not you that is afraid but the thing that is inside you. It is like a vampire afraid of the light.. But it's fear of God is the beginning of all wisdom..for intuition will slowly remove it.. Of course it is afraid, it is trespassing in a temple of God..(Know ye not that your body is the temple of God?) and it should be shot (or whatever). (Psalms 111:10)--'The fear of the LORD is the beginningof wisdom' Romans 12:2 -- be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, Be still (Do the meditation thing with your eyelids and right hand) and know that He is God. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ouroboros Posted August 14, 2012 Share Posted August 14, 2012 Meh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaiser01 Posted August 14, 2012 Share Posted August 14, 2012 Is this a troll? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaiser01 Posted August 14, 2012 Share Posted August 14, 2012 Or is he hallucinating? There is a way back... Close your eyes and look at the inside of your eyelids.. You will see thousands of little golden lights floating around. Then project these lights into the fingers of your right hand. These little lights are re-programming you from the inside. They are remolding your mind from within..They are like when your satelite dish recieves signals from the atmosphere to put a program on your t.v. set. Do this 3 times a day for 5 minutes... to get you centered... Because,, in your center... God is there. After all, He is the center of the Universe. He is not a God on a throne.... He is 'God Conciousness' . c He is not a silly bible story, but is inside you now, holding together your body.. and you are just His channel, nothing more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Moderator florduh Posted August 14, 2012 Super Moderator Share Posted August 14, 2012 As told in the book of Revelation, that near the end of days, the church would be an apostate church. Well, then, it must be true! I'm so glad someone who truly understands what True Christianity is has finally come along. We can't wait to be schooled by another True Christian. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oddbird1963 Posted August 14, 2012 Share Posted August 14, 2012 gee, thanks for that insight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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atkegar Posted August 14, 2012 Share Posted August 14, 2012 I too did not understand this post. It seems to be from a "Restoration" type like the Jehovah's Wittness, which of course is outside of the mainstream of Xtianity. Why (s)he would post this in a non-Xtian (more like anti-Xtian) forum is besides me. Oh well. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silentknight Posted August 14, 2012 Share Posted August 14, 2012 ah, so the optical noise when i close my eyes is God.. wow.. never knew that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcdaddy Posted August 14, 2012 Share Posted August 14, 2012 Go stick your dick in the dirt, douchelord. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaiser01 Posted August 14, 2012 Share Posted August 14, 2012 You don't have to live in a 'Limbo' of uncertainty... Look captain, contrary to what your religion has taught you, we don't live in "uncertainty," we don't lay awake at night wondering what will happen with our eternal soul. And based on your gargantuan post im pretty sure I and everyone else here has quite a better grasp on reality than you. You strike me as one who will claim his personal experience is evidence, this is evident by the fact you think the optic static from light photons passing through your eyelids is God. The people on this site aren't stupid, we aren't lost and we certintly aren't "uncertain." 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mymistake Posted August 14, 2012 Share Posted August 14, 2012 Hey MarkG, You are right that today's Christianity is a completely different religion (or rather a large set of diverse religions) than original Christianity. However original Christianity was a remake of older religions. Those in turn were a remake of even older religions. So was there ever a legitimate religion? I doubt it. I discovered true forgiveness when I left Christianity. You see the stories about Biblegod and his obsession with revenge were preventing me from understanding forgiveness. Ironically, the truth really does set people free. It's just that the truth isn't what Christian preachers would welcome. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
centauri Posted August 14, 2012 Share Posted August 14, 2012 Christianity of today is a perversion, it is incomplete doctrine and therefore a cult. The crux of it's perversion is the belief that Jesus is God. This is a dark twist, a false premise, from which all the other lies of it evolve. Let me (Him,hopefully).. explain... But Jesus never said he was God! In fact there are many places where he indicated clearly that he was not. But when anyone is introduced to Christianity now-a-days, one of the first things they say in introducing the new person is that 'Jesus is God'... Or that he was 'son of god and God' at the same time! Boy, how do you put those two together without becomming completely illogical! So, when the new person reads the bible, when he comes to any part of the bible that clearly indicates otherwise, he cannot see it. Or if he does see it, he overlooks it because that's not what the preacher says, or his freind says. In other words, they are pre-hypnotized to overlook all the passages in the bible that say that Jesus is not God. Well, I'm glad to see the "Jesus is God" myth mentioned here. I agree with you last sentence in particular. The Lion's Den forum is visited by Trinitarians quite often. It's also graced with Christian teachers of truth that make all sorts of claims. Personally, I think you should meet the Christian poster "Thumbelina". That encounter might prove interesting for both of you as well as passive readers. She comes and goes but is currently performing at the Lion's Den forum in one of the threads. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mongoni Posted August 14, 2012 Share Posted August 14, 2012 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thought2Much Posted August 14, 2012 Share Posted August 14, 2012 As told in the book of Revelation, that near the end of days, the church would be an apostate church. Well, then, it must be true! I'm so glad someone who truly understands what True Christianity is has finally come along. We can't wait to be schooled by another True Christian. I got as far as that line, then gave up. That line said everything I will ever need to know about the rest of the post, as well as about the one posting it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Overcame Faith Posted August 14, 2012 Share Posted August 14, 2012 A few comments on but a few things you said: Christianity of today is a perversion, it is incomplete doctrine and therefore a cult. True. In other words, they are pre-hypnotized to overlook all the passages in the bible that say that Jesus is not God. If by pre-hypnotized you mean "brainwashed," then true except they are brainwashed to believe that from a theological standpoint the Bible has anything of value to say (which it doesn't). Jesus, however, is instead a 'son of god' (the first-born, as a matter of fact). False. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vigile Posted August 14, 2012 Share Posted August 14, 2012 Is this a troll? I don't plan to read a 3ft-long post to find out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hereticzero Posted August 14, 2012 Share Posted August 14, 2012 Well halllllllleeeeeelllluuuuiah! 'Romans 12:2 -- be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind,' That verse was encouragement for me to leave the cult after 45 years. If Read Correctly the bible is a wonderful source of entertainment for us Real Atheists. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hereticzero Posted August 14, 2012 Share Posted August 14, 2012 Heyzeus Christos is a moot argument of salvation through a Jew on a stick as a perfect sacrifice of atonement for sins. According to the Christians' own prophet Jeremiah, the law of sacrifice was never given to the Jew, through Moses, from God. It was a 'traditional teaching' that was a lie, the writings concerning prophets were lies, and 'truth had perished from the land.' Just because one person or millions believe the story of Jesus is true based on their mythology, a god would not 'sacrifice' his only son as a sin offering for atonement for humanity because it would be a lie, why would he do such a thing based on a lie--to appease really stupid people? Otherwise, all the gods are true and living, including those we do not know about. So we should worship all of them just so as not to piss one off! Many 'Christians' are only Christian because the idea of believing in Jesus appeals to them, they are natural-born bobble heads. Makes them feel important to know something not everyone knows. They think highly of themselves cuz a god has tell them to be kind to others. Now what kind of person has to be forced not to do evil? Shouldn't that person be committed to a mental hospital? Or taken beyond the city gates and stoned to death? Jesus was no sacrifice, perfect or otherwise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chikirin Posted August 14, 2012 Share Posted August 14, 2012 I thought this was about the magazine Christianity Today Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FeelHappy Posted August 14, 2012 Share Posted August 14, 2012 Thanks for leaving after writing one post!! It saves me from having to read anymore of this dribble. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Akheia Posted August 14, 2012 Share Posted August 14, 2012 Anybody who sees that kitty and is not immediately arrested by the urge to run their lips across the bridge of that soft soft noggin of hers is a heartless bastard. You just know it feels more divine than any prayer ever did. I'm vastly disappointed that this thread wasn't about some mega-scandal on the part of Christianity Today staffers. Instead I get a spaced-out weirdo yabbering about how confused and uncertain I am. Well, thanks, MarkG. You clearly know me better than I know myself. Because up till now I was pretty damn certain that your Bible is a historically-inaccurate, totally-disproven/unproven bunch of myths written by a bunch of panicky pre-Christians who'd just realized that 1) Jesus was not, despite his promise, coming back anytime soon, and 2) they now needed the religion to appeal to people besides just Jews, because the Jews all thought Christianity's blend of Judaism and paganism was nuckin FUTZ. Oh wait. I still am sure. Because I know what reality is and how to judge evidence. Damn that intellectual curiosity of mine! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silentknight Posted August 14, 2012 Share Posted August 14, 2012 (start crazy mode)But Akheia! You can't be 100% positive about everything! That means your theory is completely invalid and it must be God! (end crazy mode) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FeelHappy Posted August 14, 2012 Share Posted August 14, 2012 Anybody who sees that kitty and is not immediately arrested by the urge to run their lips across the bridge of that soft soft noggin of hers is a heartless bastard. You just know it feels more divine than any prayer ever did. I don't feel the urge to run my lips across the bridge of its noggin :| Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShackledNoMore Posted August 14, 2012 Share Posted August 14, 2012 Dude, you're warped. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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