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http://www.nbcnews.com/science/embargo-thursday-2pm-early-humans-iran-were-growing-wheat-12-6C10536898

 

so this article got the ole brain tinkering.

 

Genesis lays it down pretty clear that eden was somewhere in the fertile crescent. If agriculture really took hold 12000 years ago lets say young earthers estimate 6000 years for the origins of Judaism. this puts it at about 6000 years to develop the lands in the area. Could it make sense that genesis is a co-opted story to describe their peoples getting kicked out of the area of the fertile crescent by stronger tribes/civiliazations?

 

just jet lagged and incoherent make sense of this if you feel like it :) otherwise disregard!!!

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If religious historians are correct then Genesis is a collection of oral stories that probably existed for 500 or so years before they were put in written form. The bulk of Genesis, if scholars are correct, was written during the Babylonian captivity. As many as 5 distinct authors have been identified. The Garden of Eden story appears to be a midrash rewriting of Ezekiel 28. There are 2 different creation stories in Genesis and both appear to come from Persian Pagan tradition. Many of the stories found in both the OT and NT can be traced back to various Pagan beliefs and traditions.

 

Dr. Robert M Price is convinced that much of the NT is midrash (a rewriting of OT stories). The Garden of Eden story is almost certainly a pagan influenced myth as is most, if not all, of the stories and characters found throughout the Bible. Paul, and his companions, seem to be the only characters that historical evidence validates as having been real people.

 

The fact there is evidence that humans existed 12,000 years ago doesn’t validate anything written in the bible, but legends are often based on some event(s). Unfortunately they are preserved as oral stories that eventually become traditions and over time become hopelessly distorted to the point they no longer even resemble the original event.

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Yeah I think that's what I was getting at. That the area would have been very well developed a garden of eden of sorts by the time these oral traditions started. Obviously the genesis accounts are complete BS  but it reminds me of the end of mad max and beyond the thunder dome. Myths have beginnings. I am probably not really making sense though haven't really fleshed this thought out. 

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http://www.nbcnews.com/science/embargo-thursday-2pm-early-humans-iran-were-growing-wheat-12-6C10536898

 

so this article got the ole brain tinkering.

 

Genesis lays it down pretty clear that eden was somewhere in the fertile crescent. If agriculture really took hold 12000 years ago lets say young earthers estimate 6000 years for the origins of Judaism. this puts it at about 6000 years to develop the lands in the area. Could it make sense that genesis is a co-opted story to describe their peoples getting kicked out of the area of the fertile crescent by stronger tribes/civiliazations?

 

just jet lagged and incoherent make sense of this if you feel like it smile.png otherwise disregard!!!

IMO, the 4 rivers they describe don't meet at their source, but have 4 different sources. It seems unclear what 2 of the rivers are, though one might be the one that goes into Iran. I don't buy the whole "river through ancient neolithic arabia" arguement though, as it wouldn't have been known to the writers.

 

Either way, it places the story quite literally in Sumer, the southern mesopotamia. That is probably because that's where everyone from Palestine to Mesopotamia put it, in the motherland of their civilization. IMO, Genesis' creation story detailing the eden story seems awefully alot like it wanted to conform to the sumerian stories of creation. At least at that phase.

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so looking up midrash.....it seems much of the bible is fan fiction.

 

 

Once you get into the historical aspects of Christianity and the Bible it eventually becomes apparent that you will need at least some working knowledge of Judaism to assemble the puzzle and get all the pieces to fit properly. It is common knowledge that Christianity began as a sect within Judaism so it’s original roots were deeply imbedded in the traditions associated with Second Temple Judaism.

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