Popular Post Brother Jeff Posted July 15, 2013 Popular Post Share Posted July 15, 2013 As I was sitting on the throne earlier today perusing my copy of "Uncle John's Triumphant 20th Anniversary Bathroom Reader", I came across this glorious quote: "There is no more expensive thing than a free gift." - Michel de Montaigne As I read that glorious quote, it struck me how true it is when applied to Christianity. Christians love to go on about how salvation is a "free gift" from God. They won't shut up about it any more than they will about how Christianity allegedly isn't a religion, but a personal relationship with Jesus. Assuming for the sake of argument that the Christian God is real and that he is the one true God and that the Bible is his word and is trustworthy (yeah, I know, a highly debatable and extremely improbable proposition given the complete lack of evidence for the existence of God and the many serious problems with the Bible), what does it cost us to believe in and accept God's free gift of salvation? The short answer is, "EVERYTHING!" Let's say that you hear the Gospel message and believe it and you submit to God's Plan of Salvation (which is http://exchristian.net/exchristian/2002/10/gods-extremely-complex-plan-of.php" extremely complex, btw) and go through the process of accepting Jesus as your Lord and Savior, then what is your salvation going to cost you after the emotional "honeymoon" high of your religious conversion wears off? Being a Christian is very much like being a drug addict. When you first try a new addictive recreational drug, every time you use it you get a great high and feel fantastic, which keeps you coming back for more. But soon, addiction sets in and using the drug starts becoming an obsession and a need rather than a fun diversion. Everything but getting your next fix begins to fade in importance - job, family, friends, hobbies, etc. - until nothing is left except using the drug and doing whatever is necessary to get your next fix. Drug addiction is a tragedy that frequently robs its victims of everything that had value to them from their jobs and families to their possessions, and then it all too frequently takes their lives as well. In the same way, involvement in Christianity starts out with some wonderful emotional highs that feel fantastic, but then it slowly but surely robs you of everything that makes you valuable and unique as a human being - your mind, your will, and your emotions. So he (Jesus) answered and said, “ ‘You shall love the LORD your God with all your heart, with all your soul, with all your strength, and with all your mind,’ and ‘your neighbor as yourself. According to Jesus, one of the things we should love God fully with is our minds. But what happens to the mind as a result of religious conversion? It is put in neutral! People don't convert to Christianity - or any other religion - based on a reasoned, carefully thought-out assessment of the available facts and evidence that exists in favor of or in opposition to a set of religious beliefs. Religious conversions typically take place in an emotionally charged atmosphere after a sermon laced heavily with fear, guilt, and shame (the three things religion thrives on, besides ignorance) has been preached. Religious conversions generally only occur after the victims have been subjected to substantial amounts of emotional manipulation, and in some cases, abuse. Christians are taught to view their own instincts and “worldly” knowledge (such as the latest scientific findings) with suspicion. Intellectualism is frowned upon and ignorance (scientific and otherwise) is proudly hailed as a virtue. Christians are taught that fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom (Proverbs 9:10) and that they should trust in the Lord and lean not on their own understanding (Proverbs 3:5), and things just go downhill from there. Trusting in Jesus may sound great, but what about trust and belief in oneself? The self is subordinate to “God’s will” in Christian teaching… Christians coming out of the cult after years of brainwashing and indoctrination frequently don’t know themselves or how to trust and believe in themselves. “Our Father in heaven,hallowed be your name,your kingdom come,your will be done, on earth as it is in heaven.” In Christianity, the individual will is subordinate to the will of God. Millions of Christians pray daily for God’s will to be done in their lives. But what about their own will? What about the individual’s right to make their own decisions about their own lives? That doesn’t concern devout Christians because they have been taught that they are not their own, that they have been bought with a price, that being the Blood of Jesus. (1 Cor. 6:19-20). Christians are taught in Romans 12:1-2 to offer their bodies as a living sacrifice and to renew their minds and not be conformed to the world. And what about Galatians 2:20: “I have been crucified with Christ and I no longer live, but Christ lives in me. The life I now live in the body, I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave himself for me.” A committed Christian will have no concern for their own will and they will constantly be trying to figure out what God’s will is, which is a very unhealthy state of affairs since God is nonexistent and is therefore silent. Christians coming out of the cult frequently have issues trusting themselves and making their own decisions about their own lives. Emotional issues can run deep for Christians and for those coming out of the cult. Christians – especially those involved in the Charismatic “health and wealth” teachings – can lack trust in their own emotions. Christians caught up in those teachings expect to live victoriously in Christ. They expect to be “more than conquerors” (Romans 8:37) and for them anything negative comes from the devil. Of course, being taught that you are a terrible sinner who deserves to burn in hell forever can cause emotional issues too. When you believe that your righteous acts are as filthy rags (Isaiah 64:6), how can you feel good about yourself? How can you trust yourself? As should be obvious, this wonderful-sounding “free gift” can end up costing a great deal! This is one offer you can and should refuse! 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mymistake Posted July 15, 2013 Share Posted July 15, 2013 The price of the "free gift" is a lifetime of slavery. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamesG Posted July 15, 2013 Share Posted July 15, 2013 couldn't agree more. whenever I hear the free gift of god I cant help but think "cough Bullshit cough". It costs you everything from your mind to your sex life and everything in between. You must enslave yourself to YHWH to get salvation. which makes a lot of sense considering in the beginning god created us as slaves to work the fields so Massa El Elyon could kick back and relax 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Astreja Posted July 15, 2013 Share Posted July 15, 2013 Fantastic essay, Jeff! To accept this "gift" is to neuter and even negate one's own humanity. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
centauri Posted July 15, 2013 Share Posted July 15, 2013 Indeed, it's the old free gift fraud, like the cheap trinket you get for "free" when you buy a box of children's cereal. A truly free gift requires nothing in return. Added to the conditions of belief, servitude and worship are the requirements to be water baptized, to confess before men, to repent, and to maintain faith. It's not a free gift but a barter arrangement. The only way the gift is free is if predestination is in effect (a doctrine which most Christians loath), in which case the whole matter was settled by God before the person was born. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deepblue Posted July 16, 2013 Share Posted July 16, 2013 The Bible teaches predestination/election. "Accepting Jesus as your saviour", "Giving your heart to God", "Making a commitment to Christ", etc, are all phrases not found in scripture. Personally I believe they are all BS - an appeal to the "free will" of man and contradictory to the New Testament. According to my "Christian belief", if God wants you he will have you. If he doesn't, no effort on your part will make any difference. However, since nobody knows who is ultimately one of the chosen ones, nobody can say they will always be an atheist, an agnostic or a non-Christian. Which is kind of comforting, even if you, like me, are not sure whether Christianity is true or not. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lilith666 Posted July 17, 2013 Share Posted July 17, 2013 "For God so loved the world that he gave his only son, that whosoever believes in him shall not perish, but shall have everlasting life." * *Unless you quit (because then according to Hebrews you can't come back), or you're gay, or you don't want to be obsessed with Jeezuz and love him more than your own mother, or you don't sacrifice your life for him, or if you're being tortured for believing and in panic you renounce your belief. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Jeff Posted July 17, 2013 Author Share Posted July 17, 2013 The Bible teaches predestination/election. "Accepting Jesus as your saviour", "Giving your heart to God", "Making a commitment to Christ", etc, are all phrases not found in scripture. Personally I believe they are all BS - an appeal to the "free will" of man and contradictory to the New Testament. According to my "Christian belief", if God wants you he will have you. If he doesn't, no effort on your part will make any difference. However, since nobody knows who is ultimately one of the chosen ones, nobody can say they will always be an atheist, an agnostic or a non-Christian. Which is kind of comforting, even if you, like me, are not sure whether Christianity is true or not. The Bible is so contradictory and inconsistent that many people believe it teaches many different things. I know for a fact that Christianity is not true, and you can know that too if you do the research. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Moderator florduh Posted July 17, 2013 Super Moderator Share Posted July 17, 2013 Outstanding post, Brother Jeff! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lerk Posted July 17, 2013 Share Posted July 17, 2013 I cannot see this topic without thinking about my programming. When I see "free gift" I automatically think of, in my former life, automatically assuming that the person using the term was trying to say that baptism is not required for the remission of sins. Oh, and I had the perfect response, too: I would talk about having won a pair of concert tickets from a radio station, but having to go pick them up. They wouldn't mail the tickets, but just because I had to do some work (fight Houston Galleria area traffic!) did not mean that the tickets weren't free. Therefore, just because mythical being required you to get dunked, didn't mean the gift wasn't free! I never thought about the fact that what the religion was asking in return for telling you you had a free gift was that you had to give it something too: your brain. And the fear: Talk about a price to pay! So glad, so so relieved to be awake now. I'm really starting to see what a cult it was, even if my branch of the cult wasn't overly demanding. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zephie Posted July 19, 2013 Share Posted July 19, 2013 Right on! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geezer Posted July 19, 2013 Share Posted July 19, 2013 I was a member of an extremely legalistic group (cult), so when I became aware of Ephesians 2:8-10 8 For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith—and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God— 9 not by works, so that no one can boast. 10 For we are God’s handiwork, created in Christ Jesus to do good works, which God prepared in advance for us to do. Those verses changed my life, at least for a short period of time. Unfortunately, the Bible is filled with other verses that nullify those Ephesians verses. When those other verses were pointed out to me; I believe that was the catalyst that opened the door for my eventual exit from Christianity. That dichotomy proved to be irreconcilable. I soon realized the Bible was teaching diametrically opposite doctrines that created a no win catch 22 scenario. Christianity is a shell game. The search for the illusive pea goes on for a lifetime with no real hope of ever obtaining it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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