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We already have common ground between us, Christian lurkers.  Actually we have a lot of common ground.  I don't believe in any god hypothesis presented thus far, and you don't either, save one. 

 

Let's look into "the scientific evidence that god exists (which god?) and the holy koran is his message to humanity (oh, that god)"

http://www.aljazeerah.info/Islamic%20Editorials/2007/September/The%20Scientific%20Evidence%20That%20God%20Exists%20and%20the%20Holy%20Qur%27an%20Is%20His%20Message%20to%20Humanity%20By%20Hassan%20Ali%20El-Najjar.htm

 

Pulling from the article quoted above:

1. For example,  there is an invitation for humans to fly, indicating the possibility of flying, more than 1428 years ago.**

In Surat Al-Rahman (Chapter 55), Verse 33 states, we read:***

O You jinn and men, if you can penetrate zones of the heavens and the Earth, then penetrate! You will never penetrate them except with (the) power (of science).

---Wow!  The Koran told humans of the possibility of flight more than 1428 years ago!  That's some damn convincing evidence.

 

2. The Holy Quran tells us that there is intelligent life in outer space, where Allah (Praise to Him) is also worshipped and glorified.

In Chapter 30, Verse 26, Allah (Praise to Him) says:

To Him belongs whom are in the heavens and the Earth, all are devoutly obedient to Him.

 

In Chapter 3, Verse 83, Allah (Praise to Him) also tells us about life in outer space saying:

Do they want other than the Religion of Allah? While (all) who are in the heavens and the Earth have willingly, or unwillingly, submitted to Him (as Muslims do), and to Him shall they be returned.

---No way!  There's life in outer space, just as it was written in the Koran!

 

3. Earth is described as egg-shaped (not a perfect circular globe), a fact which was discovered recently in the human history.

In Chapter 79, Verse 30, the Holy Quran mentions that:

And the Earth, after that, He made it egg-shaped.

 

However, Christianity's book described the earth as a sphere, or even flat with 4 corners!

http://www.christiananswers.net/q-eden/edn-c015.html

A literal translation of Job 26:10 is “He described a circle upon the face of the waters, until the day and night come to an end.”

 

---Islam > Christianity in this regard?  Not really.  Isaac Newton first proposed that Earth was not perfectly round. Instead, he suggested it was an oblate spheroid—a sphere that is squashed at its poles and swollen at the equator. He was correct and, because of this bulge, the distance from Earth's center to sea level is roughly 21 kilometers (13 miles) greater at the equator than at the poles. http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/earth-is-not-round/

 

---Still, Islam's egg earth is closer to the truth than Christianity's sphere shape earth.

 

4. In Verses 68-69, we are told that it is the female bee that makes honey, a very recent bit of knowledge for humans. We know now that male bees die after mating with the queen and live only for about 90 days. Only female bees survive to be the workers, which gather nectar and make honey. This bit of knowledge could never be known to humans before the invention and use of microscopes. It is another piece of evidence that the author of the Holy Quran could never be a human being about 1428 years ago. Rather, He is the All Knowledgeable One.

And your Lord inspired the female bees to take (build) its houses (hives) on mountains, trees, and in (people's) gardens

---Hmmm so female bees make honey.  I'm going to wiki this one... seems the female bees are the workers who gather the nectar... check http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honey

 

5. In 27: 18, there is a reference to a female ant speaking to other ants, which is also a recent bit of knowledge. We know now that male ants die after mating with the queen and only female ants survive to be the workers, just like the case with bees mentioned above. This bit of knowledge could never be known to humans before the invention and use of microscopes and the advanced studies in biology.

" ... a female ant said: "O you ants enter your dwellings" (Al-Nahl, 27: 18).

---Are you praising Allah yet, Christians?

 

6. The Holy Qur'an also provides us with an accurate description of deep waters in the ocean, where darkness prevails. Nobody could dive deep enough in the ocean 1428 years ago and come back to tell about what he saw there. Only the One who has created Earth and its oceans could know. For us, Philippe Causteau and his crew showed us some videos about only some parts of the ocean depth, in the 1980s.

In Chapter 24, Verse 40 of the Holy Quran, Allah (Praise to Him) says:

Or (the Unbelievers' state) is like layers of darkness in a vast deep ocean overwhelmed with waves topped by waves, topped by clouds: Layers of darkness, one above another, if a man stretches out his hand, he can hardly see it! For anyone to whom Allah does not make light, he has no light (Al-Noor, 24: 40).

---And so on and so forth...

 

 

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You're not really convinced by any of that, were you?  Please think about why you weren't convinced that Mohammed really did receive divine messages from Gabriel (yes, that same Gabriel that told Mary she was going to be impregnated by the same god, Allah/Yaweh). 

 

I want to say that these verses from the Koran didn't really convince me either.  And you know what, our reasons are probably close.  I require much more evidence than these verses to be convinced that Islam is the true religion, and so do you.

 

Just something for you to think about before you decide to preach about your particular brand of the abrahamic god. 

 

 

 

 

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That's some interesting exposition of the Qur'an but why were you addressing it to Christians?

 

Look at the threads made by End3 claiming that schizophrenia and genetic predisposition having a link to original sin (his book's original sin), IH claiming that he's a skeptic, and at Gus saying he's researched and found evidence that his religion's the true religion.

 

Just laying it out for them and for the lurkers that they would throw out their evidence and links if they were made by someone from another religion.  They don't realize that their presentations require more than "look, here's X, it fits into what my holy book says about it!"

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yes praise jesus, peanut butter on him

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The heavens declare the glory of God;
    the skies proclaim the work of his hands.

Day after day they pour forth speech;
    night after night they reveal knowledge.

They have no speech, they use no words;
    no sound is heard from them.

Yet their voice goes out into all the earth,
    their words to the ends of the world.

 

~Psalm 19:1-4

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http://www.quranandscience.com/

 

has just about as much credibility as your book IH.  

 

You're on record saying you haven't researched jack shit, and you just believe because you wanted to believe.

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The heavens declare the glory of God;

    the skies proclaim the work of his hands.

Day after day they pour forth speech;

    night after night they reveal knowledge.

They have no speech, they use no words;

    no sound is heard from them.

Yet their voice goes out into all the earth,

    their words to the ends of the world.

 

~Psalm 19:1-4

So why aren't you a Muslim?

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The heavens declare the glory of God;

    the skies proclaim the work of his hands.

Day after day they pour forth speech;

    night after night they reveal knowledge.

They have no speech, they use no words;

    no sound is heard from them.

Yet their voice goes out into all the earth,

    their words to the ends of the world.

 

~Psalm 19:1-4

 

No they don't.

 

The heavens declare that...

 

13.82 billion years ago, our universe was inflated from a quantum-sized region to a volume at least a thousand times larger than the small portion we can observe.

 

They also declare that...

 

Once begun, the process of universe-inflation never ends.

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