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Reason i ask is because angles are not supposed to weild the power that God has, correct? So how then is satan omnipresent? I thought only a "god" could be omnipresent? Yet clearly the bible states that satan can just as easily be omnipresent too. It even says that satan is second only to God in terms of power. All this is a huge mistake in the bible.

 

Or, one may argue that God gave satan these powers after his fall from grace in order to be the bad guy of everything. The problem with that is you can't really blame us humans or satan, for that matter, for our "sins" because god giving satan so much more power left us with no chance in "hell" of becoming what god originally wanted us to be. It's like one bully giving another bully privledges of helping him wreak havoc on the school play ground. :Hmm:

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Reason i ask is because angles are not supposed to weild the power that God has, correct? So how then is satan omnipresent? I thought only a "god" could be omnipresent? Yet clearly the bible states that satan can just as easily be omnipresent too. It even says that satan is second only to God in terms of power. All this is a huge mistake in the bible.

 

 

Once again there is no verse in the OT to support this christian assertion

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Reason i ask is because angles are not supposed to weild the power that God has, correct? So how then is satan omnipresent? I thought only a "god" could be omnipresent? Yet clearly the bible states that satan can just as easily be omnipresent too. It even says that satan is second only to God in terms of power. All this is a huge mistake in the bible.

 

 

Once again there is no verse in the OT to support this christian assertion

 

 

So it is rubbish then.

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Satan is *not* omnipresent. What gave you this idea?

 

By being like god, being able to influence anybody at anytime. According to your beliefs, satan can tempt me at the same time he can tempt you, no matter if you are on the other side of the planet.

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Satan is not by himself. He has demons at his disposal. Lots of them.

 

 

Even then, if satan, or one of his demons, could only tempt one person at a time, doesn't that give them god like powers? For an angel to get inside a person's "soul" requires them to be more than just angels for if angels could do that why don't they?

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It is like comparing criminals to police. Crims do whatever they like, but police have rules to follow.

 

Angels won't normally posess someone but demons can and they do. More often than you think.

 

Where in the bible does it say angels can posess someone? Pertaining to Satan, the bible says he is second only to god in terms of power, so obviously he is no ordinary angel. Where did satan get these new powers that other angels don't have?

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It is like comparing criminals to police. Crims do whatever they like, but police have rules to follow.

 

Angels won't normally posess someone but demons can and they do. More often than you think.

 

Where in the bible does it say angels can posess someone? Pertaining to Satan, the bible says he is second only to god in terms of power, so obviously he is no ordinary angel. Where did satan get these new powers that other angels don't have?

Right ON Justin!!!

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It is like comparing criminals to police. Crims do whatever they like, but police have rules to follow.

 

Angels won't normally posess someone but demons can and they do. More often than you think.

 

Where in the bible does it say angels can posess someone? Pertaining to Satan, the bible says he is second only to god in terms of power, so obviously he is no ordinary angel. Where did satan get these new powers that other angels don't have?

 

 

Who said angels posess people?

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It is like comparing criminals to police. Crims do whatever they like, but police have rules to follow.

 

Angels won't normally posess someone but demons can and they do. More often than you think.

 

Where in the bible does it say angels can posess someone? Pertaining to Satan, the bible says he is second only to god in terms of power, so obviously he is no ordinary angel. Where did satan get these new powers that other angels don't have?

 

 

Who said angels posess people?

 

"Angels won't normally posess someone "

 

You said they can. If you meant not at all then you would not have said "normally".

 

But anyway, where did Satan get his powers from since he is clearly more powerful than ordinary angels? Thats the main question.

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The bottom line is that Xianity thrives on a made-up state of spiritual conflict. Without that, souls wouldn't be in danger of hell and there would be no need for Jesus. Naturally, the only way to be safe from hell and the devil is to believe in Jesus, since faith in him is the axis around which Xianity revolves. There can't be angels powerful enough to protect you since faith in Jesus is the only thing the believer is permitted to trust in.

 

Satan and demons, on the other hand, naturally have to have more power to influence and endanger souls. They need to be able to be either omnipresent and more powerful than angels or whatever excuses people like to make up to explain their nature. Without that increased threat level, faith in Jesus wouldn't be as necessary to protect the believer.

 

It's just a literary device. The bad guys need to be very powerful and capable, and the good guys need to only have one real weapon against them. It makes for a dramatic spiritual drama, and fine bait to lure in the gullible and fearful.

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You are all missing the point entirely. There is no God, or Satan. It's made up bullshit. That's just my 2 cents. There's more evidence (faith is not evidence) that says God and all the other crap doesn't exist. People want to use their faith to explain how God works. Well, God can't possibly work if he doesn't exist. The writers of the Bible attempted to put safeguards in it (although the book contradicts itself many times) like you can't question God. Well, if you can't question God then the only thing to prove he's real is faith. Saying you can't question God covers a lot of ground. Things that happen happen because "God wanted them to." So anyway, neither God, not Satan are omnipresent because neither of them exist.

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It is like comparing criminals to police. Crims do whatever they like, but police have rules to follow.

 

Angels won't normally posess someone but demons can and they do. More often than you think.

 

 

So who was it exactly who Tempted Jesus for Forty Days in the Desert? Mat 4:1-11

 

Who exactly wielded that power? Was it an equal to god or his subordinate. :shrug:

 

 

 

(Just pointing out for debate reasons :grin: )

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You are all missing the point entirely.

 

With the exception of any Xians here and present, all we've been doing is saying how fake it all is.

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I know, but ya'll would just laugh. Satan was just a 46 chromosomed being like us, trying to prove to Yahweh, that his creations only liked him because they had everything coming to him. So Job was a test case for Satan to prove his point. When the test was over they recreated his family from their DNA and they all lived happily ever after.

 

IF an Angel is just one of the Elohim, then a Fallen Angel is just one of them who were forced to stay here on Earth, they weren't allowed back on their home planet.

 

Nothing to fear from them except their greater knowledge of science than we have. But we're starting to learn more and more nowadays.

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I'd just like to say the only "satan" you have to worry about is the one that comes out every sunday. You know, the one that "tricks" people into his ways. The one that tells of a hell. The one that's hypocritical. You know, that one in the church. That one at the podium. That one that condemns everyone he hasn't tricked.

 

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Once again there is no verse in the OT to support this christian assertion

Agreed. Old Lie (aka:OT) Satan had a different role than New Lie(aka:NT) Satan.

Of course it's irrelevent anyway. God created evil himself and admitted it in

Isaiah 45:7 in the King James Lie. Other translations such as the New International Lie

and the New American Standard Lie have softened the wording so as to make god

seem less responsible.

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Agreed. Old Lie (aka:OT) Satan had a different role than New Lie(aka:NT) Satan.

Of course it's irrelevent anyway. God created evil himself and admitted it in

Isaiah 45:7 in the King James Lie. Other translations such as the New International Lie

and the New American Standard Lie have softened the wording so as to make god

seem less responsible.

 

Here are two very good articles which explained me the differences

 

Let's Take A Look At Satan

Was Satan Really A Rebel And Fallen Angel?

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