Chris de Vidal Posted January 25, 2006 Share Posted January 25, 2006 I stand in the garage and make motor sounds. Am I a car? You went to church and said a prayer. Were you a Christian? One of the most eye-opening teachings I've heard in the past year is that there are false converts everywhere in the church. Although I am not God and cannot see into your heart, you more than likely were like me, a false convert. I had grown up in the church and enjoyed some pretty exciting times. I knew many things about the bible and even went on mission trips to witness. I would have told you I was a Christian. Then at the ripe age of 18 I rebelled. I doubted all of it, like you. I did what I wanted; I came close to even running a pr0n site. Woohoo! Then one day God thwacked me on the head and showed me how my sin offended Him. He opened my eyes to the seriousness of my sin. While I knew that "all have sinned" and deserve hell, I saw how I personally had sinned and I personally deserved hell. The key difference between my 'before' and 'after' experiences was motivation. I came to Jesus to avoid hell. "Fire insurance." Some of you were promised that Jesus would give you a better life. Again, motivation is key to understanding the problem. Jesus explores this concept in Mark 4:16,17: "And these are the ones sown on rocky ground: the ones who, when they hear the word, immediately receive it with joy. And they have no root in themselves, but endure for a while; then, when tribulation or persecution arises on account of the word, immediately they fall away." (ESV) "They receive it with joy." That's the Crystal Cathedral, Promise-Keepers, Rick Warren Americanized gospel: "Come to Jesus! He will give you a purpose-filled life! Say the prayer of Jabez for extra points!" Many receive this gospel with GREAT JOY. But where's the repentance? God "commands all people everywhere to repent..." (Acts 17:30 ESV) Jesus warned, "unless you repent, you will all likewise perish..." (Luke 13:3 ESV) First, I must define repentance, because it is often misunderstood. It is a change of mind. In the bible (including the verses above) the context is almost always repentance from sin, indicating that the repentant soul has considered his sin as horribly offensive to God and he decides to stop and run the opposite direction from it. So where's the repentance in this Americanized modern gospel? I'll tell you why no repentance: few preachers take the time to open up God's law anymore. God's Ten Commandments demonstrate your need for a savior. Let me explain what I mean. Every person in here has told at least one lie in your life. Who hasn't? You are a liar. Every person in here has taken something that didn't belong to you. I had thousands of dollars of pirated software. I used to go around work taking food out of people's desks. I've shoplifted. Who hasn't taken something, even small, such as a ball-point pen or a paper clip? How about taking your boss's time by doing personal things? (I'm still guilty of that one.) You are a thief. Every person in here has had lustful thoughts about someone else. I had gigs of pr0n and was willing to peddle it to others. Jesus said, "You have heard that it was said, ‘You shall not commit adultery.’ But I say to you that everyone who looks at a woman with lustful intent has already committed adultery with her in his heart." (Matthew 5:27,28 ESV) You are an adulterer. Every person in here has hated someone else. I used to hate my parents. The bible says, "Everyone who hates his brother is a murderer." (1 John 3:15 ESV) You are a murderer. When God opens the book of your life, you will be revealed as a lying, thieving, adulterous murderer. And that's just a few of the commandments! The real crusher is James 2:10: "For whoever keeps the whole law but fails in one point has become accountable for all of it." (ESV) Everyone owes a debt for their sin. Everyone has a price on their heads for their sins against God. No one can pay it. And that's why God crushed His Son. He wanted me at His side but would blast me if I tried to approach Him in my sin. Innocent blood must be shed to cover me. But I'd bet dollars to donuts your pastor didn't open the Ten Commandments. He simply called you to the front and led you through a prayer, which you prayed with great enthusiasm, receiving the word with great joy! But your hard, stony heart's soil hadn't been tilled by the plow of the law. And so as Jesus predicted in Mark 4, when the promised tribulation and persecution arose on account of the word, you immediately fell away. Did you know God? Did you have an experience in which you were gripped with the reality of your sin and how it offended God? Did you see your need to change your direction away from that sin? If not, more than likely you were just standing in the garage going "vroom" thinking you were a car. The name of this website is misleading. It implies that there are thousands of genuine converts who have turned away. I'd bet 95% of you were false converts; the rest are living in rebellion. The genuine converts will one day be drawn back. Spend some time alone with the Ten Commandments and see how you measure up. Disagree? Are you 100% sure you're right? If so, I challenge you to study these two messages very carefully. They opened my eyes to the truth of my false conversion: Hell's Best Kept Secret True and False Conversion Try the "good person" test, see how you do: NeedGod.com But if you are not 100% certain you are right, please go off to a quiet place. Listen to the voice of your conscience. Do it now before it's too late; you're not promised tomorrow. Vroom vroom. CD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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thunderbolt Posted January 25, 2006 Share Posted January 25, 2006 Wow, this is awesome! Welcome! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MQTA Posted January 25, 2006 Share Posted January 25, 2006 Let me explain what I mean. Every person in here has told at least one lie in your life. Who hasn't? You are a liar. Every person in here has taken something that didn't belong to you. I had thousands of dollars of pirated software. I used to go around work taking food out of people's desks. I've shoplifted. Who hasn't taken something, even small, such as a ball-point pen or a paper clip? How about taking your boss's time by doing personal things? (I'm still guilty of that one.) You are a thief. Every person in here has had lustful thoughts about someone else. I had gigs of pr0n and was willing to peddle it to others. Jesus said, "You have heard that it was said, ‘You shall not commit adultery.’ But I say to you that everyone who looks at a woman with lustful intent has already committed adultery with her in his heart." (Matthew 5:27,28 ESV) You are an adulterer. Every person in here has hated someone else. I used to hate my parents. The bible says, "Everyone who hates his brother is a murderer." (1 John 3:15 ESV) You are a murderer. But you can build a thousand bridges and nobody will call you a bridgebuilder. Suck one cock and you're a cock sucker for life though, eh? Real original... Check out this video: http://www.rael.org/e107_plugins/raeltv_me....php?4.fast.wmp Sums it up nicely. We mistook the scientists from elsewhere in the universe as God(s). Video surely explains why there's 2 in the Garden, just like the Sumerian texts on http://www.halexandria.org and for a good laugh, check this one out: http://www.devilducky.com/media/40716 Welcome to Ex-C. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fweethawt Posted January 25, 2006 Share Posted January 25, 2006 Wow, this is awesome! I know! Can't you feel Jesus working in you already? But you can build a thousand bridges and nobody will call you a bridgebuilder. Suck one cock and you're a cock sucker for life though, eh? Real original... You're going to have to warn me to put my pickle down the next time you make a post like this! Seriously now, I am eating a pickle. I swear. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thunderbolt Posted January 25, 2006 Share Posted January 25, 2006 Wow, this is awesome! Can't you feel Jesus working in you already? Yeah, I feel SO convicted, especially after going to that quiet place. hahaha - not - I guess I had a FALSE start. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caretaker Posted January 25, 2006 Share Posted January 25, 2006 Yawn......... I may not have been exposed to Christianity enough to become a Christian, but it was sure long enough for me to realize it wasn't for me. Next...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fweethawt Posted January 25, 2006 Share Posted January 25, 2006 Yawn......... I may not have been exposed to Christianity enough to become a Christian, but it was sure long enough for me to realize it wasn't for me. That's okay. Jesus didn't want you anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bdp Posted January 25, 2006 Share Posted January 25, 2006 You almost certainly are a genuine fucktard. Yeah I do whatever I want - anyone who doesn't is a repressed fool. bdp Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caretaker Posted January 25, 2006 Share Posted January 25, 2006 You know, maybe if you made your debut post more like "Hi, I am a Christian, and I am new here. I would like to learn why some people would leave the faith," rather than "You were never true Christians, you should repent like I did," or other snobbish, elitist, and judgemental Christian rhetoric, you probably would have been given some respect. If it is your intention to come here to spew snobbish, elitist, and judgemental Christian rhetoric and to evangelize, you are going to be in one hell of a surprise. We stand by our non-belief in Christianity and we are prepared to defend it. So, your choice is to stay here to learn about us without prejudice like a good little anthropologist, or you can continue with your unwanted, and most likely futile efforts to bring us back into the faith. Which sounds more peaceful? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phoenix Posted January 25, 2006 Share Posted January 25, 2006 for a second there, i was hoping/thinking it was satire. of course, a few lines down i realized it wasn't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Sage Nabooru Posted January 25, 2006 Share Posted January 25, 2006 I do believe in God, but I do not believe in repentance. A truly loving, personal God would not demand it. A truly loving, personal God would understand our lives as humans, our troubles and tribulations, our illnesses (mental and physical), and would not place rules and laws upon us with the prior knowledge that these rules were impossible for us to follow. Did I have the Holy Spirit in me? I certainly damn well felt like it. My God, you should've seen me! I genuinely and sincerely believed everything. My heart beat for Jesus. Had I been Catholic I would've been a saint. I will not repent. There are things that I've done that I regret, but I know that God knows I regret that, and if anything She wants me to get the hell over it! She understands my pain. She understands if I get over it, and She understands if I don't. She really IS merciful. I, too, used the Bible to justify my belief, and to try to show others why they needed to convert. But then I thought about it - I was not "converted" by a non-Christian, I just thought about it. Why should I be a Christian? Because the Bible says I should. Why should I trust the Bible? Because it's the Word of God. Why should I believe it's the Word of God? Because the Bible says it is. Why should I trust the Bible? Because it's the Word of God. Why should I believe it's the Word of God? Because the Bible........ It's all a circular argument! Can you imagine, somebody giving the same argument to you? "Believe in this book, because if you don't, you'll get in trouble. The book says so. I know the book is right, too, because it says it is." I could tell you the sky is the color and pattern of spotted bananas, and if I said it was true because I said it, would you believe me? Perhaps you've been stuffing God into the Christianity box. If God is truly boundless, how can we expect to fit Her inside a particular religion's teachings, especially when those teachings are so specific? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fweethawt Posted January 25, 2006 Share Posted January 25, 2006 Okay now, speaking of pickles... I can't stand it when pickle skin squeaks on the sides of my teeth when I'm trying to chew them! It gives me that feeling that most people get when they chew on a balloon or run their fingernails down a chalkboard. And I can comfortably run my nails down a chalkboard! Does anyone else have this problem? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bdp Posted January 25, 2006 Share Posted January 25, 2006 ...and by the way...I AM NOT A MURDERER OR ADULTERER. That whole line of 'theology' is bullshit. Am I 'good'? I don't know, but I'm not bad and any religion that starts with the premise that I, and all of humanity, is, is worthless. bdp Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
necrosmith Posted January 25, 2006 Share Posted January 25, 2006 Ah pickles... First time I saw my significant other eat a pickle, I new we were going to get married. As far as the OP... HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA. Thanks for the laugh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cat Posted January 25, 2006 Share Posted January 25, 2006 Then one day God thwacked me on the head and showed me how my sin offended Him. He opened my eyes to the seriousness of my sin. While I knew that "all have sinned" and deserve hell, I saw how I personally had sinned and I personally deserved hell. That is where you and I disagree. A real living breathing human being would not be able to believe that he or anyone else is deserving of being tortured for all eternity for looking at a bit of porn, for example. Secondly, I cannot see how a real compassionate human being would want anyone, let alone themselves to suffer like that. Thirdly, having come to those conclusions, I don't see how a human being could continue to believe in a god who did promise that would actually happen to those who couldn't accept his confusing contradictory teachings. Therefore I believe you are actually a car. Vroom vroom. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vigile Posted January 25, 2006 Share Posted January 25, 2006 Well Chris, you almost certainly are not the holy spook, so I guess you wouldn't know for sure then would you? Thanks for the sermon though. I've never heard anything like that before Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thunderbolt Posted January 25, 2006 Share Posted January 25, 2006 I just followed some of the links, and this vitriolic bullshit comes from none other than failed actor Kirk Cameron. Watch this video. What a totally bogus analogy to explain love versus law. I wish Kirk Cameron would dare to come and debate his evangelization tactic here. I seem to me that Kirk just revamped the YWAM formula, which undoubtedly got worn out and unusable. What's new? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Asimov Posted January 25, 2006 Share Posted January 25, 2006 Every person in here has told at least one lie in your life. Who hasn't? You are a liar. Every person in here has taken something that didn't belong to you. I had thousands of dollars of pirated software. I used to go around work taking food out of people's desks. I've shoplifted. Who hasn't taken something, even small, such as a ball-point pen or a paper clip? How about taking your boss's time by doing personal things? (I'm still guilty of that one.) You are a thief. Every person in here has had lustful thoughts about someone else. I had gigs of pr0n and was willing to peddle it to others. Jesus said, "You have heard that it was said, ‘You shall not commit adultery.’ But I say to you that everyone who looks at a woman with lustful intent has already committed adultery with her in his heart." (Matthew 5:27,28 ESV) You are an adulterer. Every person in here has hated someone else. I used to hate my parents. The bible says, "Everyone who hates his brother is a murderer." (1 John 3:15 ESV) You are a murderer. When God opens the book of your life, you will be revealed as a lying, thieving, adulterous murderer. And that's just a few of the commandments! The real crusher is James 2:10: "For whoever keeps the whole law but fails in one point has become accountable for all of it." (ESV) Everyone owes a debt for their sin. Everyone has a price on their heads for their sins against God. No one can pay it. And that's why God crushed His Son. He wanted me at His side but would blast me if I tried to approach Him in my sin. Innocent blood must be shed to cover me. But I'd bet dollars to donuts your pastor didn't open the Ten Commandments. He simply called you to the front and led you through a prayer, which you prayed with great enthusiasm, receiving the word with great joy! But your hard, stony heart's soil hadn't been tilled by the plow of the law. And so as Jesus predicted in Mark 4, when the promised tribulation and persecution arose on account of the word, you immediately fell away. Did you know God? Did you have an experience in which you were gripped with the reality of your sin and how it offended God? Did you see your need to change your direction away from that sin? If not, more than likely you were just standing in the garage going "vroom" thinking you were a car. The name of this website is misleading. It implies that there are thousands of genuine converts who have turned away. I'd bet 95% of you were false converts; the rest are living in rebellion. The genuine converts will one day be drawn back. Spend some time alone with the Ten Commandments and see how you measure up. Disagree? Are you 100% sure you're right? If so, I challenge you to study these two messages very carefully. They opened my eyes to the truth of my false conversion: Hell's Best Kept Secret True and False Conversion Try the "good person" test, see how you do: NeedGod.com But if you are not 100% certain you are right, please go off to a quiet place. Listen to the voice of your conscience. Do it now before it's too late; you're not promised tomorrow. Vroom vroom. CD With this kind of absolutist attitude, I guess doing one good thing makes me a good person. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thunderbolt Posted January 25, 2006 Share Posted January 25, 2006 With this kind of absolutist attitude, I guess doing one good thing makes me a good person. Brilliant! Consider yourself as having done a good thing by posting this response... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Purple Posted January 25, 2006 Share Posted January 25, 2006 I stand in the garage and make motor sounds. Am I a car? You went to church and said a prayer. Were you a Christian? yes One of the most eye-opening teachings I've heard in the past year is that there are false converts everywhere in the church. Although I am not God and cannot see into your heart, you more than likely were like me, a false convert. I had grown up in the church and enjoyed some pretty exciting times. I knew many things about the bible and even went on mission trips to witness. I would have told you I was a Christian. Then at the ripe age of 18 I rebelled. I doubted all of it, like you. I did what I wanted; I came close to even running a pr0n site. Woohoo! Then one day God thwacked me on the head and showed me how my sin offended Him. He opened my eyes to the seriousness of my sin. While I knew that "all have sinned" and deserve hell, I saw how I personally had sinned and I personally deserved hell. I can assure you, you and I are, and were nothing alike. The key difference between my 'before' and 'after' experiences was motivation. I came to Jesus to avoid hell. "Fire insurance." Some of you were promised that Jesus would give you a better life. Again, motivation is key to understanding the problem. Jesus explores this concept in Mark 4:16,17: "And these are the ones sown on rocky ground: the ones who, when they hear the word, immediately receive it with joy. And they have no root in themselves, but endure for a while; then, when tribulation or persecution arises on account of the word, immediately they fall away." (ESV) "They receive it with joy." That's the Crystal Cathedral, Promise-Keepers, Rick Warren Americanized gospel: "Come to Jesus! He will give you a purpose-filled life! Say the prayer of Jabez for extra points!" Many receive this gospel with GREAT JOY. But where's the repentance? God "commands all people everywhere to repent..." (Acts 17:30 ESV) Jesus warned, "unless you repent, you will all likewise perish..." (Luke 13:3 ESV) First, I must define repentance, because it is often misunderstood. It is a change of mind. In the bible (including the verses above) the context is almost always repentance from sin, indicating that the repentant soul has considered his sin as horribly offensive to God and he decides to stop and run the opposite direction from it. So where's the repentance in this Americanized modern gospel? I'll tell you why no repentance: few preachers take the time to open up God's law anymore. God's Ten Commandments demonstrate your need for a savior. Like I said, you and I, nothing alike. I did not recieve Jesus from a Pastor, at a church, after a sermon. After I had accepted Christ then I went to a church, and I was taught a lot about the ten commandments, about hell, about how I deserved all of it, etc. Let me explain what I mean. Every person in here has told at least one lie in your life. Who hasn't? You are a liar. Yes, including all the "real" Christians, your point? Every person in here has taken something that didn't belong to you. I had thousands of dollars of pirated software. I used to go around work taking food out of people's desks. I've shoplifted. Who hasn't taken something, even small, such as a ball-point pen or a paper clip? How about taking your boss's time by doing personal things? (I'm still guilty of that one.) You are a thief. Well, you are anyway. Every person in here has had lustful thoughts about someone else. I had gigs of pr0n and was willing to peddle it to others. Jesus said, "You have heard that it was said, ‘You shall not commit adultery.’ But I say to you that everyone who looks at a woman with lustful intent has already committed adultery with her in his heart." (Matthew 5:27,28 ESV) You are an adulterer. You can only commit adultery if you are married. Outside of marriage it would be the sin of fornication. Not everyone is married, and not everyone will be married, so not everyone can be an adulterer. Every person in here has hated someone else. I used to hate my parents. The bible says, "Everyone who hates his brother is a murderer." (1 John 3:15 ESV) You are a murderer. Thought crime is a crime in and of itself. Why not just kill your parents? You have already hated them, so are already guilty of murder. Sorry, I do not want this little gem of a theology to take hold myself, not becuse I want to commit the sin of hate, but because people have hated me, and I do not want some psycho killing me cuz God said they already did. It may not make a difference to your imaginary friend, but it makes a hec of a big difference to me. When God opens the book of your life, you will be revealed as a lying, thieving, adulterous murderer. And that's just a few of the commandments! The real crusher is James 2:10: "For whoever keeps the whole law but fails in one point has become accountable for all of it." (ESV) Everyone owes a debt for their sin. Everyone has a price on their heads for their sins against God. No one can pay it. And that's why God crushed His Son. He wanted me at His side but would blast me if I tried to approach Him in my sin. Innocent blood must be shed to cover me. Now tell me the one about how he loves me so much. LOL But I'd bet dollars to donuts your pastor didn't open the Ten Commandments. He simply called you to the front and led you through a prayer, which you prayed with great enthusiasm, receiving the word with great joy! But your hard, stony heart's soil hadn't been tilled by the plow of the law. And so as Jesus predicted in Mark 4, when the promised tribulation and persecution arose on account of the word, you immediately fell away. Where are these churches??? Where you are not berated with law and sin?? I have never been in one, and immediately??? LMBO! Did you know God? Did you have an experience in which you were gripped with the reality of your sin and how it offended God? Did you see your need to change your direction away from that sin? If not, more than likely you were just standing in the garage going "vroom" thinking you were a car. The name of this website is misleading. It implies that there are thousands of genuine converts who have turned away. I'd bet 95% of you were false converts; the rest are living in rebellion. The genuine converts will one day be drawn back. Spend some time alone with the Ten Commandments and see how you measure up. The name of this web site is perfect, and no where does it say thousands, but hec you've been good at exagerting so far, why expect you to stop now. Nice judgement call there Sunshine, so, tell me, in your littel imaginary world you've set up, is Jesus still at the right hand of God, or have you taken his palce? Disagree? Are you 100% sure you're right? If so, I challenge you to study these two messages very carefully. They opened my eyes to the truth of my false conversion:Hell's Best Kept Secret True and False Conversion Try the "good person" test, see how you do: NeedGod.com But if you are not 100% certain you are right, please go off to a quiet place. Listen to the voice of your conscience. Do it now before it's too late; you're not promised tomorrow. Vroom vroom. CD I am 100% sure Chrianity is false. I listened to my conscience, funny, it wasn't the bible God that answered, to believe you now, to believe these sermons now wold be to deny waht is in my heart, mind and conscience, it would be to ignore that still small voice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ms. K Posted January 25, 2006 Share Posted January 25, 2006 I stand in the garage and make motor sounds. Am I a car? You went to church and said a prayer. Were you a Christian? Blah de fucking blah blah blah and what the fuck ever. Here we go, with another lame-ass attempt to justify our jumping away from Christianity. Whatever. We've heard it all before. You're not saying anything new. So, since you can't come up with an original argument as to why we left Christianity, I say you have forfeited any argument points you thought you were going to make here to score with your little Christian buddies. Nope, you didn't win a single soul. You just made yourself look like the arrogant fuckwad you are. Good for you. I bet you and your fundie friends are going to enjoy pointing out what "sinners" we all are. Whatthefuckever. People like you are the reason that Christianity isn't winning as many converts as you'd like. That, and people aren't stupid enough to fall for the Magic Sky Daddy routine so much anymore. Oh, and MQTA? I always heard it as, "Build a bridge, and do they call me MacTavish the Bridgebuilder? Och, no, but fuck one wee sheep...." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
☆ TexasFreethinker ☆ Posted January 25, 2006 Share Posted January 25, 2006 Okay now, speaking of pickles... I can't stand it when pickle skin squeaks on the sides of my teeth when I'm trying to chew them! It gives me that feeling that most people get when they chew on a balloon or run their fingernails down a chalkboard. And I can comfortably run my nails down a chalkboard! Does anyone else have this problem? I can't stand the pickle squeek either. I eat the middle out of a pickle spear leaving the squeeky skin on the plate. My friends and family make fun of me for this, but I have no choice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Open_Minded Posted January 25, 2006 Share Posted January 25, 2006 The key difference between my 'before' and 'after' experiences was motivation. I came to Jesus to avoid hell. "Fire insurance."...... BLAH...BLAH...BLAH.... Did you know God? Did you have an experience in which you were gripped with the reality of your sin and how it offended God? Did you see your need to change your direction away from that sin? If not, more than likely you were just standing in the garage going "vroom" thinking you were a car. That's what Jesus is to you ... "Fire insurance"? You poor thing If I were required to accept that understanding of God I'd run as if I were running from hell itself. I can't even imagine living with the type of fear that is insinuated in that comment Did you know God? Good question... too bad you assume you have the right to ask others that question. Like most literalists - your "god" is an anthropomorphized image of your own subconscious self. And that is why I feel uterly sad for you Buddy - your "fire insurance" isn't working.... from your comments... it appears as if you are already in "hell" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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