Guest sheerheart1 Posted March 11, 2006 Share Posted March 11, 2006 it doest matter to know which words the bible says are real facts and which words are metaphoric so things wont be mixed up side down , as the way you like cause in fact u explain the bible they way you like to get your final conclusions with forgiveness and salvation to make Ur self free from any dirt or any duties why do u only understand the word (sheep , the lamb of god , and alot other ) in the bible as metaphoric ( figurative and medatores ) and alot of other things ( which like father and son and other) are not the same metaphoric but you change it into real facts ??? and why those words can not be metaphoric or metaphors as well ???? tell me how and when and how did Jesus tell u those words (*father and *son - *me and father are one **Ur saviour,,,,,,,,,) are real facts and not a metaphoric ????? or how the holy spirit told u its real facts and not metaphoric ???? in case - how would you recognise the holy spirit ? ( read the false prophets ) give me any evidence from your bible or whenever to know such words ( father and son and me and father in one blablabla )are real facts and not metaphoric expressions ?but do not prove a metaphoric verses with other metaphoric verses as well ,,, then u will know if u r fooling yourself or not i think if you r being sheep and Jesus is lamb of god and alot of other expressions are just metaphoric expressions then (son and father and saviour and i and the father are one blablabla )are just metaphoric as well , not real facts .. but why u changed into facts ? this is the question , ( read the easy forgiveness ) , it could be , i will not tell you iam sure about it , and maybe you can ask me if i have any evidence to consider such expressions as a metaphorical expressions or not , gladly i will say yes i do have , too many , but you r already to blind to read or think , you don't have even the chance to question the bible or question your self .but , before iam going on telling my evidence i would like to remind you with this verse from your bible .... Joh 7:24 Judge not according to the appearance, be judge righteous judgement. so i think after reading this verse you should try to understand and open your eyes and your mind cause you will not make the right judgement without having any attention to understand ,and the bible say read and try to understand cause its not just external meanings and not to judge according to the appearance well . according to the bible verses it can be all just metaphorical expressions and let us see some evidences to to know it is ,,, 1-) check the bible dictionary (Greek -English) , father --G3962---πατήρ--patēr--pat-ayr' Apparently a primary word; a "father" (literally or figuratively, near or more remote)- father, parent. son ----H1121---בּן --- bên ----bane From H1129; a son (as a builder of the family name), in the widest sense (of literal and figurative relationship, including grandson, subject, nation, quality or condition, etc., 2) all the bible verses which u consider it as abnormal nature for god who u make him into Jesus , no one can accept it but only in fiction movies or midnight stories , so it just metaphorical expressions 3) all the bible verses which stated Jesus as human and prophet and son of man are evidences , or it gonna be just contradictions , 4) all the bible verses which stated Jesus he was praying and talking to god , cause god would not pray and talk to himself ,, it cant be 5) the bible verses which stated Jesus sitting (sometimes standing ) on the right hand of god , cause no one will be sitting on his right hand , it cant be 6) all the bible verses which stated Jesus calling the people to pray for god not to himself 7) Jesus never said iam the god and worship me , in clear verse and not metaphorical 8) all the verses which says ( god AND Jesus ) there's not explanation for this (AND) between god and Jesus if they are the same one 9) saviour in the bible just one of metaphoric expressions , simply because the one who has the power to save you would be able to save himself from the start , but he couldn't according to Ur beliefs 10) Jesus was crying scream out loud afraid to death - that's mean it was not his choice to sacrifice himself for u , and salvation to save you just metaphorical __expression 11 ) the contradiction when u say he was full man and full god , then later u say he was a man , later he was a god , i think u mean he was part time god !!! 12) the crucifixion of god to forgive Adam and to you making god into sadism--- crucifixion =torture god or his son = your forgiveness 13) crucifixion making god with limited power that he couldn't save you without being murdered through some creation he made ---psychotic book 14 ) if god had the power to create Adam and Jesus and all those creatures---- why would god let his creation excruciating him to get martyrdom ( him or his son) to forgive them later on while he can forgive us with just a word ?? no way 15) god with all his power will lay down his life just to show you how much he loves you by hanging on the cross bleeding and helpless when we can see it in different millions ways how much he loves us everyday ????? no way 16 ) even the bible is asking ------------ Rom 8:34 Who is he that condemneth? It is Christ that died, yea rather, that is risen again, who is even at the right hand of God, who also maketh intercession for us. ???????? 17) there's no one single verse which it says god sent Jesus to be sacrificed . (not a metaphorical verse ) 18) on the legalisation side --------if god gave the Jews who killed Jesus the life , power , the strength , the material (the cross) to kill his son or himself that's means so god helped those people to murder his son or maybe he commit suicide!!! no way ( the bible is just a story of fancy crime ) 19) as example--when u call any older man (father ) or u call any little boy (son ) does it mean its real fatherhood ? or its figuratively and rhetorically ? 20 )as example--- when u tell Ur Friends (me and my lover are one ) does it means u r two humans or you r as close as one e ??? 21 ) as example ----if u created or invented robots and one of those robots made a mistake would u hang yourself or Ur son in front of the other robots to forgive the other robots mistake ? 22 ) there's no one single evidence to prove those words are real facts and not metaphorical so why with Ur thick minds do u understand as just real facts ?? 23) the book of god cant be full with porno and fancy stories and blood 24 ) the word (son of god ) was not only about Jesus but its related with alot of others have such metaphoric __expression ,,,,,,, Luke 3:38 who was the son of Enos, who was the son of Seth, who was the son of Adam, who was the son of God. 25) all the verse which stated god is greater and good more than Jesus prove that they are not the same one and in alot of verse's Jesus denied himself as god 26 ) all the verses which stated that god sent Jesus and it was all gods will not his will and there are too many other evidences also that its not the word of god and its not real facts , although u make yourself believe it , as example ------ Joh 6:38 "For I have come down from heaven, not to do My own will, but the will of Him who sent Me. Joh 5:30 "I can of Myself do nothing. As I hear, I judge; and My judgement is righteous, because I do not seek My own will but the will of the Father who sent Me. Joh 8:42 Jesus said to them, "If God were your Father, you would love me, for I proceeded and came forth from God; I came not of my own accord, but he sent me what does it means (my own will ) and (the will of god ) ??? -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Jesus says no one has seen the father but me .. later he says , who has seen me has see the father ------ this is contradiction Joh 1:18 No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him. Joh 14:9 Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Show us the Father? -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1Ti 2:5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus; ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Joh 8:58 Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am. the question is -- does that mean he was before Abraham as aprophet or a god ?? if as a god why would god compare himself with a creature (Abraham) he made why before Abraham only , why not before anybody before Abraham --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- some people say cause there's 3 bears recorded in heaven , even if its right then what is wrong there are 3 bears in heaven , is the only 3 bears in heaven or there alot of other things there ?? --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ur not sheeps of Jesus , he been sent only for the lost sheeps of Israel >>so Israelis people are the only sheeps , but not you , but seems Ur so snoops M't:15:24: But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- how come Jesus said u r his sheep and later says man is better more than sheeps ???????? is it contradiction ?? Joh 10:27 My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me:------------------------------------ Mat 12:12 How much then is a man better than a sheep? Wherefore it is lawful to do well on the sabbath days. although Ur calling Jesus a lamb , and u r his sheep , sheep are older and bigger the shepherd give the sheeps to the butcher ,, who is the butcher according to the bible i wonder ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ any way you have already alot of other evidence which you don't like to accept , so let us say , that u don't even understand what u call it Ur bible and don't forget whenever u read the bible again those words , father and son and blablabla is just metaphorical expressions and not real facts as u make it , at least think about it , but let us try to understand why , the reason that Eastern erea and cultures uses alot of figurative expressions language in writing letters or books and others words with examples and deep meaning , its literal language which you can not understand it but eastern people can understand it , its not external meaning for the words and the phrases but you should try to understand it as a meaning not as a real facts , like Jews in this time used to call god (father ) which it means the one who protects and supports and lead his sons to the right way , but not as real father and it not a fatherhood , and many other expressions ,,then its all effected with roman, Greek, Pharaoh believes which they were all believe once upon atime that human and kings can be gods .. 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pandora Posted March 11, 2006 Share Posted March 11, 2006 Um, yes... a few on here take the Bible metaphorically (the Christians on the board.... O_M, Amanda, and to a certain extent notblindedbythelight).... but rest of us ARE NOT CHRISTIANS. What is your point? That we missed the message all along? That we should become Christians again in the way that you propose? May I ask what religion you claim? Which god/gods do you believe in? Are you Hindu? Buddhist? Baha'i? Liberal Muslim? Sufi? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest sheerheart1 Posted March 11, 2006 Share Posted March 11, 2006 read for me the easy forgivness false christs strategy , the false phrohet the philosophy of terrorism hypothetical faith Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pandora Posted March 11, 2006 Share Posted March 11, 2006 Where would I read about these things? Are you going to post them? Are you going to answer my questions? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Shiva H. Vishnu Posted March 11, 2006 Share Posted March 11, 2006 pandora...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pandora Posted March 11, 2006 Share Posted March 11, 2006 Hey, I'm just feeding the troll for fun. Let me be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest sheerheart1 Posted March 11, 2006 Share Posted March 11, 2006 Hey, I'm just feeding the troll for fun. Let me be. its not bad to have some fun with good manners and respect and to have some knowledge as well , be positive Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pandora Posted March 11, 2006 Share Posted March 11, 2006 I think that was a compliment... thanks. But do you understand that we are not Christians here? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dianka Posted March 11, 2006 Share Posted March 11, 2006 Sheerheart, do you know what I love? Dogs. They are great. Loyal, loveable, and if the owners take care of them, relatively clean. After a long day of playing catch with these clean animals, I come home and prepare a big 'ol ham. Mmmmm, ham. I'm sure you are wondering what my point is. I would hate to ramble - how inconvenient for the audience. My point is this: Eat some ham Get a dog And stay away from Islam! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Astreja Posted March 11, 2006 Share Posted March 11, 2006 As far as I'm concerned, the Bible is a mixture of metaphor and history told from one particular tribe's perspective. I don't consider it to be a particularly clever example of either history or metaphor, although there are sporadic outbreaks of true poetry in one or two places. I think it's complete and utter rubbish when it pretends to be a book of morality, because the greatest "sinner" of them all is the psychopathic god who allegedly authored the book. I am not a Christian and have no intention of ever becoming one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest sheerheart1 Posted March 11, 2006 Share Posted March 11, 2006 Sheerheart, do you know what I love? Dogs. They are great. Loyal, loveable, and if the owners take care of them, relatively clean. After a long day of playing catch with these clean animals, I come home and prepare a big 'ol ham. Mmmmm, ham. I'm sure you are wondering what my point is. I would hate to ramble - how inconvenient for the audience. My point is this: Eat some ham Get a dog And stay away from Islam! over the internet you can meet parrots low education basterds low mannered , hypocrites , dogs and cats , ce la vie , i can not go and teach every one what does good manners mean , they even dont know what manner mean ,, good ,, manner , think about it , Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Shiva H. Vishnu Posted March 11, 2006 Share Posted March 11, 2006 As far as I'm concerned, the Bible is a mixture of metaphor and history told from one particular tribe's perspective. I don't consider it to be a particularly clever example of either history or metaphor, although there are sporadic outbreaks of true poetry in one or two places. I think it's complete and utter rubbish when it pretends to be a book of morality, because the greatest "sinner" of them all is the psychopathic god who allegedly authored the book. I am not a Christian and have no intention of ever becoming one. How very relevant. Good for you! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dianka Posted March 12, 2006 Share Posted March 12, 2006 over the internet you can meet parrots low education basterds low mannered , hypocrites , dogs and cats , ce la vie , i can not go and teach every one what does good manners mean , they even dont know what manner mean ,, good ,, manner , think about it , C'mon, self-perception. Who's being rude here? How many times do people have to tell you that we are not christians? That means that the phrase "UR Christians don like thet muslims can'''''''t have beer" - or whatever the hell your point is - does not apply to us. Each of your sloopy posts was written to start arguments with Christians. We are not Christians We are not Christians We are not Christians We are not Christians Now you,,,,,think, about,,it!!1!!!11!!1! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Shiva H. Vishnu Posted March 12, 2006 Share Posted March 12, 2006 dogs and cats You can meet both dogs AND cats on the internet, and that's what makes it so neato. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Astreja Posted March 12, 2006 Share Posted March 12, 2006 You can meet both dogs AND cats on the internet, and that's what makes it so neato.Dogs and cats, living together... Mass hysteria! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Shiva H. Vishnu Posted March 12, 2006 Share Posted March 12, 2006 Next thing you know they'll be crossing the streams..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dianka Posted March 12, 2006 Share Posted March 12, 2006 I just saw The Big Lebowski last night. It was between that and Kigpin. Eh, shoulda watched Kingpin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Asimov Posted March 12, 2006 Share Posted March 12, 2006 Jesus fucking Christ. Did I drop down the rabbit hole or what? I feel like I'm in the land of non sequiterial statements and incomprehensibility. Sheerheart....get a fucking grammar book and learn how to structure your sentences in ways that don't make my eyes boil out of my head. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kuroikaze Posted March 12, 2006 Share Posted March 12, 2006 all I could think as read the opening post was, What the hell? this guy writting is clearly engrish in quality....english is not his first launguage. I wish I knew what the hell he was talking about Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Onyx Posted March 12, 2006 Share Posted March 12, 2006 Whatever happened to good english and clear points? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Shiva H. Vishnu Posted March 12, 2006 Share Posted March 12, 2006 I just saw The Big Lebowski last night. It was between that and Kigpin. Eh, shoulda watched Kingpin. Cause Bill Murray was in Kingpin and he was also in Ghostbusters, which is the movie to which our comments refer. I get it. But you were right to watch The Big Lebowski. You get a little bit more holy every time you view that film. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dianka Posted March 12, 2006 Share Posted March 12, 2006 Amen, I'll get fucked up on Schlitz and try watching it again tomorrow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest sheerheart1 Posted March 12, 2006 Share Posted March 12, 2006 its seems that you read but you dont understand Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Onyx Posted March 12, 2006 Share Posted March 12, 2006 I loved that Big Leboswki movie. Too bad I didn't get to see the ending. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Shiva H. Vishnu Posted March 12, 2006 Share Posted March 12, 2006 I loved that Big Leboswki movie. Too bad I didn't get to see the ending. The Deathstar gets blown up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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