Genesis 5

[Jon]

To the gang of the lions den:why is the geaneology of chap 5 genesis a hisden message of christ.Can someone please explain?

[bornagainathiest]

1 hour ago, Jon said:

To the gang of the lions den:why is the geaneology of chap 5 genesis a hisden message of christ.Can someone please explain?

 

Jon,

 

As the one proposing that there is a hidden message in Genesis 5, the onus is one you to present evidence that it is there and means what you claim it does.

 

If you believe this by faith and not because of any evidence, then we are under no obligation to believe in or accept your leap of faith.

 

Evidence please.

 

Thank you,

 

BAA.

[Jon]

No,You go please:type into google:chuck missler:hidden messages of the bible.

watch for yourself,its proof he explains the hebrew language first then breaks down the points ;thus providing evidence.Please do get back to me.

[TABA]

Here's a critical view of Missler's 'discovery' by a Christian academic...

 

http://www.isitinthebible.com/ot/Names in Genesis predict the coming messiah by Chuck Missler.pdf

 

[TheRedneckProfessor]

Here is a genealogy that proves Frodo the Hobbit really existed and was the Savior of Middle Earth:

 

http://lotrproject.com/hobbits.php

[Ellinas]

Not the old "Bible code" type nonsense...

 

That was around when I was... a lot younger...

 

Firstly, there are a lot of letters and words in the Bible.  Some random hits are inevitable.  Perhaps if the same ideas were applied to the Lord of thr Rings we'd conclude god is a hobbit.

 

Secondly, try googling as you suggest with the word "debunked" included.  The claims are not universally accepted.

 

Thirdly, the opinion of a Christian with an axe to grind based on his own interpretation of what counts as a valid hidden message is not evidence.

 

Fourthly, if god is so very clever, why not broadcast something a little more convincing in plain words rather than playing at being a cryptographer?

[bornagainathiest]

2 hours ago, Jon said:

No,You go please:type into google:chuck missler:hidden messages of the bible.

watch for yourself,its proof he explains the hebrew language first then breaks down the points ;thus providing evidence.Please do get back to me.

 

You don't seem to understand the rules of debate, Jon.

 

Since you are the one who began this thread and you are the one making the claim, it falls to you to formally open this debate by presenting an argument to support your claim.

 

Since we do not share your subjective belief that such a message exists, it therefore falls to you to present objective evidence for your claim that isn't based upon faith.  

 

If you can't do this and your claim is subjective and made solely on faith, then you will have no objective evidence to present.

 

With no objective evidence for us to examine or challenge, there can be no debate.

 

 

Do you see how this works?

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This might be helpful to you, btw.  https://www.logicallyfallacious.com/tools/lp/Bo/LogicalFallacies/31/Appeal-to-Faith

 

In this thread you are like Jimmie, Tom and St. Bingo.

 

We are like Hollie, Mike and Tina.

 

You are going with faith, but we can only go with evidence.

 

Thanks,

 

BAA.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[☆ DarkBishop ☆]

5 hours ago, Jon said:

To the gang of the lions den:why is the geaneology of chap 5 genesis a hisden message of christ.Can someone please explain?

 

Well in your original post you made the statement that chapter 5 was a hidden message of Christ. Therefore you should have posted a link to the study and put forth your argument as to why you felt the study held a viable truth. 

 

But keep in mind most of us see the whole old testament as a bunch of horse shit.

 

So to you may not get the arguement you want. It could lead into a debate on whether anything in the old testament is a truth of God and/or Christ.

 

DB

 

[LogicalFallacy]

6 hours ago, Jon said:

To the gang of the lions den:why is the geaneology of chap 5 genesis a hisden message of christ.Can someone please explain?

 

Not enough information.

 

If you want a decent debate, then take the time to build a decent case and present it accordingly. Throwing out one liners won't get much response.

 

And short answer there isn't. It's as real as the Anunnaki in the Mesopotamian tablets. That which is presented without evidence, can be dismissed without evidence. And don't ask us to go searching for your evidence - you present it yourself with appropriate links etc.

[Astreja]

Simplest explanation:  The Christian cult misappropriated Jewish scriptures and then retconned their interpretation into them.

[Jeff]

I don't care what any bible verse says. I no longer have any belief in the Bible. 

It can literally say anything and that changes nothing. 

You keep referring to Chuck Missler, I think it might help to read some more scholarly material. 

If your faith is based on scripture, you deserve to read at least one book by Bart Ehrman.

[★ Citsonga ★]

14 hours ago, ThereAndBackAgain said:

Here's a critical view of Missler's 'discovery' by a Christian academic...

 

http://www.isitinthebible.com/ot/Names in Genesis predict the coming messiah by Chuck Missler.pdf

 

 

Some good points there. In addition, if it had been the case that the author had selected names for the purpose of the genealogy carrying a hidden message, then that would mean that the names were not listed with the intent to represent a historical genealogy. In other words, the genealogy would therefore not be reliable.

 

(Not that it's reliable anyway; the Bible is fiction. However, to the Bible believer, such a notion should be problematic.)

[midniterider]

On 4/2/2017 at 7:50 AM, Jon said:

To the gang of the lions den:why is the geaneology of chap 5 genesis a hisden message of christ.Can someone please explain?

 

Why does Jesus need you to fight his battles?

[Geezer]

30 minutes ago, midniterider said:

 

Why does Jesus need you to fight his battles?

 

Or be his arms, legs, mouth & source of income? 

[Jeff]

On 4/2/2017 at 11:36 AM, Jon said:

No,You go please:type into google:chuck missler:hidden messages of the bible.

watch for yourself,its proof he explains the hebrew language first then breaks down the points ;thus providing evidence.Please do get back to me.

No. YOU explain it. I'm not googling kooky shit so I can explain kooky shit to you. 

You present your beliefs and then we discuss it. 

[mwc]

On 4/2/2017 at 7:50 AM, Jon said:

why is the geaneology of chap 5 genesis a hisden message of christ.Can someone please explain?

     I typed that into Google and it auto-corrected to "Do you mean misspelled Bible gibberish by obvious crackpots?"  I was overwhelmed, but not surprised, by the number of responses that came back.

 

          mwc

 

[SkepticsRUs]

On ‎4‎/‎2‎/‎2017 at 3:43 PM, bornagainathiest said:

 

You don't seem to understand the rules of debate, Jon.

 

Since you are the one who began this thread and you are the one making the claim, it falls to you to formally open this debate by presenting an argument to support your claim.

 

Since we do not share your subjective belief that such a message exists, it therefore falls to you to present objective evidence for your claim that isn't based upon faith.  

 

If you can't do this and your claim is subjective and made solely on faith, then you will have no objective evidence to present.

 

With no objective evidence for us to examine or challenge, there can be no debate.

 

 

Do you see how this works?

.

.

.

This might be helpful to you, btw.  https://www.logicallyfallacious.com/tools/lp/Bo/LogicalFallacies/31/Appeal-to-Faith

 

In this thread you are like Jimmie, Tom and St. Bingo.

 

We are like Hollie, Mike and Tina.

 

You are going with faith, but we can only go with evidence.

 

Thanks,

 

BAA.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

You not only have to answer the challenge, you have to do your own research to find out what is. LOL! Apparently the non-Christians have to go the "extra mile"?