Guest freedwoman Posted February 18, 2020 Share Posted February 18, 2020 Biblical Submission is indeed abuse. Wives must submit to their husbands in EVERYTHING. No exceptions Including beatings, rape, and emotional abuse. Wives must even submit to non believing husband's. He has all authority and say so. No where in the Bible does it say abused wives can divorce abusive husband's. Just read about poor abused abigail. She is respected by Bible thumpers for putting up with her husbands abuse like a saint. If the wife is not submissive enough beat her into submission. Or if the wife is being abused she should rejoice! For she is taking up her cross and is suffering for Christ like an abused slave would to his or her owner! The LORDS fist is poised and ready to strike. They all cower. They have become like women. Christ is the husband of the church. Christ disciplines those he loves. So can human husband's discipline his wife! The Bible condones violence against women period. Lots daughters. Judges 11 and 19. All the raping, pillaging, taking wives of enemies. https://www.gotquestions.org/wives-submit.html https://biblehub.com/1_peter/3-6.htm https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1+Samuel+25&version=NIV&interface=amp https://www.biblestudytools.com/blogs/association-of-biblical-counselors/abused-wives-called-to-suffer.html https://biblehub.com/matthew/16-24.htm https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Romans+5%3A3-5&version=ESV Matthew 5: 1-11 https://www.openbible.info/topics/the_bride_of_christ https://biblehub.com/revelation/3-19.htm https://biblehub.com/nlt/isaiah/5-25.htm https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Jeremiah+51%3A30-32&version=NLT&interface=amp These verses supports violence against women too. https://biblehub.com/judges/19-24.htm https://biblehub.com/nlt/isaiah/19-16.htm https://www.christianity.com/bible/bible.php?q=Judges+11&ver=nlt https://www.christianity.com/bible/bible.php?q=Judges+19&ver=nlt Sorry for the long read. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest freedwoman Posted February 18, 2020 Share Posted February 18, 2020 Just now, freedwoman said: Biblical Submission is indeed abuse. Wives must submit to their husbands in EVERYTHING. No exceptions Including beatings, rape, and emotional abuse. Wives must even submit to non believing husband's. He has all authority and say so. No where in the Bible does it say abused wives can divorce abusive husband's. Just read about poor abused abigail. She is respected by Bible thumpers for putting up with her husbands abuse like a saint. If the wife is not submissive enough beat her into submission. Or if the wife is being abused she should rejoice! For she is taking up her cross and is suffering for Christ like an abused slave would to his or her owner! The LORDS fist is poised and ready to strike. They all cower. They have become like women. Christ is the husband of the church. Christ disciplines those he loves. So can human husband's discipline his wife! The Bible condones violence against women period. Lots daughters. Judges 11 and 19. All the raping, pillaging, taking wives of enemies. https://www.gotquestions.org/wives-submit.html https://biblehub.com/1_peter/3-6.htm https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1+Samuel+25&version=NIV&interface=amp https://www.biblestudytools.com/blogs/association-of-biblical-counselors/abused-wives-called-to-suffer.html https://biblehub.com/matthew/16-24.htm https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Romans+5%3A3-5&version=ESV Matthew 5: 1-11 https://www.openbible.info/topics/the_bride_of_christ https://biblehub.com/revelation/3-19.htm https://biblehub.com/nlt/isaiah/5-25.htm https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Jeremiah+51%3A30-32&version=NLT&interface=amp These verses supports violence against women too. https://biblehub.com/judges/19-24.htm https://biblehub.com/nlt/isaiah/19-16.htm https://www.christianity.com/bible/bible.php?q=Judges+11&ver=nlt https://www.christianity.com/bible/bible.php?q=Judges+19&ver=nlt Sorry for the long read. https://www.nobeliefs.com/DarkBible/darkbible7.htm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderator Margee Posted February 19, 2020 Moderator Share Posted February 19, 2020 Well freedwoman, I'll start by throwing in my 2 cents for what it's worth. Lol What you posted is very true, unfortunately. The bible was written by men for men. That's the way it was. Because of their physical strength, they thought they were superior. All of the books lead us to the conclusion that women’s voices were silenced and unwanted by this superior man society. We were the inferior species (according to Genesis, we were just a mans 'helper') and these powerful men could do what they wanted including having concubines and basically doing what they chose. For instance, take the Adam and Eve account, the story of the concubine raped and killed by the Benjaminites, and other 'texts of terror' for women, there are glimpses of women being blamed, raped, and killed throughout the 'holy book'. The male authors of these stories typically show little or no compassion. And now in 2020, the famous saying goes, 'women’s rights are human rights'. Women are entitled to all of the same rights as a man. But still, almost everywhere around the world, women and girls are still denied them, often simply because of their gender and religion. Woman have been fighting for a long time to get these rights. Lots of woman have died trying to free woman. For some men and woman it has caused 'war' between the sexes. I believe it's why tons of relationships don't work anymore. Woman are speaking up, not afraid to leave a bad relationship and are becoming independent knowing that we can now in this day and age, make it on our own. Lots of men are happy for us and lots still aren't. I don't blame men for any of this.Things have just really started to change for woman in the last hundred years. Hopefully men will evolve alongside the woman. I understand that some woman have taken it too far and are actually man haters now. This causes it's own set of problems. My hope is for us all to learn from one another. Most men are (mostly) logical but can also be emotional.... and most woman are (mostly) emotional but can also be logical. We can't help that either. Study the brains of men and woman.The brains are different. We are both men and woman 'wired' differently. Neither can you men help that you are physically stronger than us and have a stronger sexual desire to populate the world. Most woman lose this after baby making time. It is what it is. Blame god.. Hopefully, we can all talk to each other, evolve and learn what it's like being a woman and what it like being a man without any dynamite blowing us both up. Lol 5 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Moderator florduh Posted February 19, 2020 Super Moderator Share Posted February 19, 2020 I don't think you'll get any arguments here. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest freedwoman Posted February 19, 2020 Share Posted February 19, 2020 Thank you for your comments. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
♦ Fuego ♦ Posted February 20, 2020 Share Posted February 20, 2020 That is the attitude of the bible god towards his people as well. And it helps explain why many believers are unwilling to even question. They fear that God will hurt them for questioning. https://articles.exchristian.net/2009/07/god-of-abuse.html 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest freedwoman Posted February 28, 2020 Share Posted February 28, 2020 On 2/19/2020 at 12:35 PM, Margee said: Hopefully, we can all talk to each other, evolve and learn what it's like being a woman and what it like being a man without any dynamite blowing us both up. Lol This is exactly why I'm greatful I'm mentally an androgyne. Neither feminine or masculine mentally. However yes, I'm physically feminine a woman. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest freedwoman Posted February 28, 2020 Share Posted February 28, 2020 Oh yes. No compassion or pity. Abuse the woman for defending her husband! Cut off her hand! https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Deuteronomy+25%3A11-12&version=NLT Plus raped women are to be killed if she doesn't scream for help! https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Deuteronomy+22%3A23-24&version=NLT&interface=amp In some cases women have to marry her rapist! https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Deuteronomy+22%3A28-29&version=NIV;KJV;DRA;NLT&interface=amp Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest freedwoman Posted February 28, 2020 Share Posted February 28, 2020 The rapist could have threatened to kill the woman if she screamed for help! DUH! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skeptics Posted February 28, 2020 Share Posted February 28, 2020 I told my brother a few days ago that God was made a man and with a white beard, so it will look wise. If God of the bible existed, he is a hypocrite. Fooling people by using a male personification, to show that males are above females and putting a beard on his face, so people will believe he is wise. Orthodox priests have beards for the same purpose, minus the fact that not all behave bad with theyr wifes, i quess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest freedwoman Posted February 29, 2020 Share Posted February 29, 2020 3 hours ago, Skeptics said: I told my brother a few days ago that God was made a man and with a white beard, so it will look wise. If God of the bible existed, he is a hypocrite. Fooling people by using a male personification, to show that males are above females and putting a beard on his face, so people will believe he is wise. Orthodox priests have beards for the same purpose, minus the fact that not all behave bad with theyr wifes, i quess. The thought of God being male or female disgusts me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freed Posted September 20, 2020 Share Posted September 20, 2020 https://bible.org/seriespage/13-word-wives-1-peter-31-6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tsathoggua9 Posted September 21, 2020 Share Posted September 21, 2020 On 2/28/2020 at 12:56 PM, Guest freedwoman said: Oh yes. No compassion or pity. Abuse the woman for defending her husband! Cut off her hand! https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Deuteronomy+25%3A11-12&version=NLT Plus raped women are to be killed if she doesn't scream for help! https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Deuteronomy+22%3A23-24&version=NLT&interface=amp In some cases women have to marry her rapist! https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Deuteronomy+22%3A28-29&version=NIV;KJV;DRA;NLT&interface=amp Yeah, all those verses seem so ridiculous to the modern-day mind. Product of a different era! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Moderator florduh Posted September 21, 2020 Super Moderator Share Posted September 21, 2020 Yeah, we get it. We don't subscribe to the religion spouting that crap either. Time to move on and stop letting it dominate your thoughts. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freed Posted September 21, 2020 Share Posted September 21, 2020 I hear ya loud and clear. The child abuse bothers me the most. I'd rather be told I'm an evolved monkey than a Hellbound sinner. That is psychological child abuse. I just wanted to post that last thing and be done with this topic. Very triggering. Peace. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freed Posted November 12, 2020 Share Posted November 12, 2020 Ex Christian women who have suffered abuse can post their stories here for validation and support. We all know what the Bible says about us women and wives. Time to start healing from our abuse. So if you want to cry and vent please feel free. If you are a Christian wife who is being abused please know your worth and leave with your children. https://www.thehotline.org/ You should NOT have to suffer for Jesus Christ or your husband this way. I wrote Vice President Kamala Harris about this issue. I've asked her if she and other members of government if they would please place Federal Laws to punish religious leaders who tell the abused wife to go and submit more to her husbands abuse. That the religious leaders and the abused wives husbands to be sued to pay the abused wives medical care if her husband beat her and she had to go to the hospital. And to put religious leaders in prison for life if her husband beats her to death. I don't know who I was to write specifically so I wrote her. I don't know if I could post her website contact information here or not? Please take your children and leave. You weren't born to grow up and be abused by your husbands. Fuck Gods will. And fuck Jesus Christ. A few days suffering isn't worth a life time of abuse. You don't need to be the abused savior of your husbands. Plus you don't want your daughters to be in that position when she grows up. To the courageous women who left that abuse behind you are a hero. You saved your life and the lives of your children. Let's encourage other women to do the same. P.S. I hope it is okay to post this? I hope I didn't upset anyone by posting this? If I did please tell me? Thanks. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LostinParis Posted November 14, 2020 Share Posted November 14, 2020 On 9/22/2020 at 6:52 AM, florduh said: Time to move on and stop letting it dominate your thoughts. For some of us this is easier said than done. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freed Posted November 15, 2020 Share Posted November 15, 2020 18 hours ago, LostinParis said: For some of us this is easier said than done. I'm sorry if you were ever abused by your husband. I mean it. I hope you are okay now in all regards. You wanna talk about it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freed Posted November 15, 2020 Share Posted November 15, 2020 https://biblehub.com/luke/12-51.htm https://biblehub.com/matthew/10-35.htm https://biblehub.com/matthew/10-37.htm Finally Jesus Christ shows his true intentions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freed Posted November 15, 2020 Share Posted November 15, 2020 https://biblehub.com/matthew/10-33.htm That's right abused Christian women and wives. If you don't put up with your husbands abuse by denying Jesus to save your life... https://biblehub.com/context/matthew/7-21.htm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freed Posted November 26, 2020 Share Posted November 26, 2020 I've written a local police station about a website and pastor who advocates Christian Wife Abuse. I sent the article he wrote and his picture to the police for proof. Hopefully they actually do something about it. I plan to take this up with the Federal Government too. I encourage other women to please do the same thing. Biblical submission in marriage has actually killed wives. What's worse is the child abuse!!! C.P.S. should also be held accountable too! Sorry if I'm being repetitive here. But this is very serious. Anyway. Ladies please. We're in this together. Lets end this! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freed Posted December 27, 2020 Share Posted December 27, 2020 Sorry it's this topic again. But I have to answer the trolls from other sites. So I thought what the Hell? I'll post this here too. Slowly but surely I am winning these debates. Every Christian I've continuously debated about the Bible stops communication with me. Hell I even silenced street preachers before. Dear Ladies, Sisters, And Friends... Regarding 1 Peter 3:1-6 There is nothing "Good Looking" about God demanding abused Christian wives and abused children to stay with non believing abusive husbands and abusive fathers. What if the abused Christian wife was pregnant when her husband beat her? What if she already had children? What if the husband beat the children in front of the mother? What if he threatened to kill their children if she didn't deny Jesus Christ? What if the husband used that part in the Bible to abuse his wife or children even more knowing they couldn't escape? What if the husband beat her and their children to death? Would that make Christianity look even better? You know that all these New Testament Instructions apply today. Jesus Christ came to fulfill the Law. https://biblehub.com/matthew/5-17.htm Not do away with it. Jesus Christ is always the same. https://biblehub.com/hebrews/13-8.htm God doesn't change His mind. https://biblehub.com/1_samuel/15-29.htm You do realize that if the Law made it illegal for a wife to leave an abusive husband then she would have to stay with him and put up with his abuse again. https://biblehub.com/1_peter/2-13.htm Even you would have to. I would have to. The children would have to. Our husbands would be allowed to beat, rape, starve us, thirst us, and even kill us. He even could abuse our children again. We could do nothing but take it and hope our husbands wouldn't kill us or our children. Remember Judges 11 where Jephthah killed his daughter for God? A man's vow to God is more important than a girl's life. Our husbands would have the right to kill us too if we greeted him first. Yet they could cancel our vows. Numbers 30. Or flog us if we chose to keep our vows. Deuteronomy 25:2,3. Adultery is worse when a woman commits it. The "Law of Jealousy" is for the husband to test his wife only. We couldn't have him tested if we were jealous. Numbers 5:11-31 Remember that we would have had to marry our rapist and could never leave him. Deuteronomy 22:28,29 It's easy for women to be Christians these days. Now women can cherry pick the Bible to fit their modern comforts. I encourage all Christian women to imagine how it would be for them if the laws changed back to the way it was when this passage was written. I encourage all Christian women to imagine being the women who got raped and forced to live with their rapist until either of them died. I encourage all Christian women to put themselves in Jephthah's daughter's dilemma. I encourage all Christian women to imagine being terrified of their husbands and their children's fathers coming home. To imagine their daughters having to suffer like this. Imagine the laws went backwards. Then your daughters coming to see you with her black swollen eyes, stitches, and shaken bodies of hunger, thirst, and sleep deprivation. Her tears. Her shaking malnourished abused children not knowing if they will be allowed to live into adulthood. Then sent back to their husband and their children's father. A real loving God would shield and protect such children and women. Not enjoy our suffering and deaths. Not send us to Hell for eternity for the sin of denying him and bailing to save ourselves and our children. Matthew 10:33, Matthew 24:13. Know your worth, importance, and human rights. Biblical or not. Please take the children and leave. You nor your children deserve this Hell. Thanks for taking the time to read this. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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