The virgin Mary

[Sexton Blake]

In some societies, like muslims, jews, etc, an unmarried woman is called a virgin. It is so now and it was so 2,000 years ago.

 

It is an assumption that she has never had sex because if she should get pregnant, proving that she had sex outside of marriage, she will be stoned to death.

 

But then as now, women did. They blamed Zeus and other gods, and Mary blamed a spirit. So, how does a Holy Ghost supposedly impregnate a woman? The mind boggles.

 

Joseph is without doubt the biggest idiot EVER.

 

He has a dream telling him to marry a pregnant woman, and he does.

 

Or did he do it because he was the father?

 

Matthew 1;18 has Mary and Joseph engaged. Did the couple just hold hands or did Joseph have his wicked way with her?

 

Matthew 1 and Luke 3 have genealogies of Joseph, but if Joseph was just a surrogate father of Jesus, actually just a stand-in father, why bother?

 

And there is more:

 

These verses claim that Jesus is son of David -- "the seed of David", "the fruit of his loins" "according to the flesh". For this to be true, Jesus would have to have a real father (presumably Joseph).

Therefore being a prophet [David], and knowing that God had sworn with an oath to him, that of the fruit of his loins, according to the flesh, he would raise up Christ to sit on his throne. Acts 2:30

Of this man's seed [David's] hath God, according to his promise, raised unto Israel a Saviour, Jesus. Acts 13:23

 

Concerning his son Jesus Christ our Lord, which was made of the seed of David according to the flesh. Romans 1:3

 

Remember that Jesus Christ of the seed of David. 2 Timothy 2:8

 

For verily he [Jesus] took not on him the nature of angels, but he took on him the seed of Abraham. Hebrews 2:16

 

I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David. Revelation 22:16

And not forgetting Mary in Luke 2:48

 

And when they saw him, they were amazed: and his mother said unto him, Son, why hast thou thus dealt with us? behold, thy father and I have sought thee sorrowing.

 

Mary never did any miracles and the above verse is the last mention of Joseph who conveniently disappears, never to be heard of again.

 

[◊ Weezer ◊]

Excelent observations.  Isn't it interesting how people don't notice all the contridictions in the bible?  (and sometimes in life) It's like they have blind spots and don't see the whole of reality.  But it is possible to actually be a virgin (no penetration) and get pregnant.  Those little sperm are excelent swimmers and don't need much water to swim up the canal (pun intended).  It happened with a friend of a friend during heavy "petting",  "Making out", or whatever you call it in Spain.

[Joshpantera]

Trying to read these myths literally won't get you very far. It's mythology. There's no historical verification for any of it. No real virgin birth. No real lineage to David. No real Joseph, Mary, or Jesus for that matter. There are just a few sloppy literary attempts that were never convincing to the jews anyways. For myriad reasons. 

 

A virgin birth is a common mythological motif found in cultures worldwide. And never has to do with anything literal. It's mundane and widespread.

 

And the writer of Matthew thought that he could quote mine Isaiah out of context and insert the virgin birth motif into the narrative. It's sloppy and unconvincing to jews. It was a kingly claim like the seed of David claim. Godmen and leaders in the pagan world had long been claimed to have been born of a virgin (for spiritual, not literal reasons).

 

Looks like the writer of Matthew wanted to claim the same for his jesus character in a myth. Paul wrote well before the writer of Matthew and he has no mention of this. Mark appears to have written before Matthew with no mention of this. It appears when Matthew appears into the historical record which is around the middle 2nd century. As these myths were being circulated in Greece and Rome. 

 

The seed of David claim appeals to jews and the virgin birth claim appealed to pagans. 

 

It only seemed to work on the pagans, though. The jews never bought either claim. 

 

 

[Joshpantera]