Reverend AtheiStar Posted May 1, 2006 Share Posted May 1, 2006 ATHEIST BASHING AS A NEW NATIONAL PASTIME? SURVEYS, CELEBRITY SLURS AND LET'S NOT FORGET ANN COULTER... What, "in God's name," is going on? According to a recent study from the University of Minnesota, Atheists have become the ultimate social outcasts. Researchers working with the American Mosaic Project which monitors popular attitudes about minorities reported, "Americans rate atheists below Muslims, recent immigrants, gays and lesbians and other minority groups in 'sharing their vision of American society.' Atheists are also the minority group most Americans are least willing to allow their children to marry." Then came a spike of public statements be celebrities defaming Atheists. Outgoing "Today Show" host Katie Couric opened a recent program segment about military policy and religiosity by repeating the old canard, "There are no Atheists in foxholes." Charlie Sheen, whose career has spanned everything from Hollywood awards to encounters with Hollywood Madame Heidi Fleiss was discussing his current divorce spat with estranged wife Denise Richards. Waxing emotionally about his two children, he told ET's Mark Steines: "They represent the real gifts and treasures of this life. Anybody that doesn't believe in God hasn't looked into the eyes of their child." There is also the latest Newsweek column by Rabbi Marc Gellman, "Trying to Understand Angry Atheists." Gellman, who holds a Ph.D. in Philosophy from Northwestern University and was ordained by the Hebrew Union College - Jewish Institute of Religion in New York, is senior rabbi of Temple Beth Torah, and past President of the New York Board of Rabbis. His writings have appeared in the New York Times, People Magazine and Time. Gellman has authored and co-authored a number of books including "Lost and Found: A Kid's Book of Living Through Loss," and "Religion For Dummies." He has also attracted a devoted throng of fans through a cable television program he co-hosts, "The God Squad." His latest piece for the MSNBC/Newsweek web site asks, "Why do nonbelievers seem to be threatened by the idea of God?" Gellman is more gracious than other critics of non-belief, admitting "I don't think they need to be religious to be good, kind and charitable people..." He suggests, though, "Perhaps their atheism was the result of a tragic death of a loved one, or an angry degrading sermon, or an insensitive eulogy, or an unfeeling castigation of lifestyle choices or perhaps something worse." Lurking behind Gellman's gentile, soothing, even conciliatory tone, though, is a mix of condescension and ignorance of what it is that angers many Atheists. He urges us, his "atheist brothers and sisters to see things as Spinoza urged, sub specie aeternitatis -- 'under the perspective of eternity.' "Atheism, of course, emphasizes the "here the now," this life for that is, and as far as we know, all that is. We reject the promise of an eternal afterlife, or that we somehow fit in as bit players in some cosmic stage production put on by and for the benefit of an all-powerful deity. What angers the Atheist, though, is the arrogance of those faithful who are determined to impose their religious dogmas onto what should be a free, open and secular society. We are "angry" when government tells us when and how to pray; when politicians drape themselves in the mantle of religiosity as a credential for public office; when the state demands that we subsidize the faithful and their clerical-social institution as President Bush and others would have us under the faith-based initiative. Rabbi Gellman simply does not understand either Atheism or Atheists. Conservative belligerent Ann Coulter thinks she does, however, or at least those who might identify with the term "Godless." "Godless: The Church of Liberalism" is the title of Coulter's latest bombastic tome which has already created major media buzz, and according to the Drudge Report generated "one of the largest advances paid to a conservative author for the manuscript." One description of "Godless" says that Coulter "holds nothing back in detailing liberalism's war on religion and yes, God." Chapter titles reportedly include such witty gems as "On the Seventh Day God Rested and Liberals Schemed" and "The Holiest Sacrament: Abortion." It is, opines another pundit, a "completely original and thoroughly controversial work." Coulter has kept unusually mum about the message in "Godless," and even danced around pointed questions from Fox News talking head Neil Cavuto. She made much out of the fact that her new work is due for release on June 6, 2006 (6-6-6 or 666 -- the "Sign of the Beast"), telling Cavuto this was her "little tribute to liberals, to have it come out on 6/6/06." "It's probably not a coincidence," said the Fox correspondent. Coulter has insisted, "Liberals love to boast that they are not 'religious,' which is what one would expect to hear from the state-sanctioned religion. Of course liberalism is a religion. It has its own cosmology, its own miracles, its own beliefs in the supernatural, its own church, its own high priests, its own saints, its own total worldview, and its own explanation of the existence of the universe. In other words, liberalism contains all the attributes of what is generally known as 'religion.'" This may be news to some "liberals" and other secularists. But we should ask, "What is Ann Coulter up to, anyway?" If we are to reject what she defines as "liberalism" because it is an ersatz religion with all of the external trappings of faith, why embrace her brand of mainstream religion? It may well be that Ms. Coulter's latest screed to the right is less reasoned argument than another polemic salvo designed to stereotype "godlessness" and anything else which does not smack of orthodox religiosity. As for 666, what better way to demonize ideological adversaries than to brand them as modern-day Anti-Christs? Finally, there is the description of "most Atheists" as "whackjobs" by freelance writer and blogger Melinda Barton. A self-described "bi-racial Jewish lesbian from the South's working class," Ms. Barton has generally enunciated a sharp but insightful progressive tone in her commentaries. Her recent column on the Raw Story website (via Pharyngula) was off the mark, however. "First, what is a secular whackjob? The term secular for the purposes of this article will refer to those who disbelieve all religious and spiritual claims, not to those who merely support a separation of church and state. Although all secular (by this definition) extremists are atheists, not all atheists are secular extremists..." Philosophical and linguistic errors abound in Ms. Barton's essay, but perhaps the most egregious offense is the use of "whackjob" as an umbrella term for the godless. Austin Cline, moderator of the About.com Atheism website charges that Barton "seems to believe that atheists are a threat to liberalism and democratic liberty," and fabricates false, inaccurate definitions of terms like Atheism. He also points out, "Theism may be a matter of faith; atheism is not," a critical distinction both Barton and Ann Coulter overlook. His critique can be found at http://atheism.about.com/b/a/257416.htm?nl=1 . ATHEISM AS A TARGET? If the University of Minnesota study is correct, Atheists have now assumed the role of the ultimate "other" or social villain once played by more traditional social bogeymen -- Jews, Communists, even Roman Catholics. We are, in the perceptions of many, "a symbolic moral boundary to membership in American society." "The reaction to atheists has long been used as an index of political and social tolerance," note the U. of MN. researchers." Ironically, this comes as rates of general levels of tolerance and acceptance are on the rise. Voters, for instance, seem more willing to accept Catholic, Jewish and even gay political candidates as credible officeholders. Atheists remain at the bottom of that and other rosters, however. Americans are increasingly willing to tolerate diverse faiths; those of "no faith" or no religion, however, linger outside the parameters of respectable society. "We've noted a spike in the animus directed at Atheists," says Ellen Johnson, President of American Atheists. "It's still permissible for major media and entertainment figures to engage in cheap-shot 'Atheist bashing," and make statements they would never utter about any other group." Johnson sees a silver lining, though, in this dark cloud. "There's improvement on two fronts," Johnson told AANEWS. "Atheists are slowly gaining some degree of social acceptance, and over the long term more Americans are willing to consider Atheists for public office." She also sees improvement when it comes to Atheists asserting their civil rights and looking for ways to influence the debate over public policy. "We've got lobbyists in Washington, we've got a political action committee, and whenever media pundits, politicians or celebrities, or celebrities say something disparaging about Atheists, a lot of us are speaking out. "We're the last sizeable minority to be included as authentic Americans," Johnson said. "It's just a matter of time." For futher information: http://www.atheists.org/flash.line/ath1.htm ("The ultimate outsiders? New Report casts Atheists as 'others,' beyond morality and community in America," 3/25/06 http://www.atheists.org/action (American Atheists Action Alerts on Charlie Sheen, Rabbi Gellman, Katie Couric and more...) http://www.gampac.org (Godless Americans Political Action Committee) http://atheism.about.com/b/a/257416.htm?nl=1 (Commentary by Austin Cline at the ABOUT.COM Atheism web site... worth the read!) A M E R I C A N A T H E I S T S A A N E W S#1207 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ 4/28/06 http://www.atheists.org http://www.americanatheist.org http://www.atheistviewpoint.tv Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HadouKen24 Posted May 1, 2006 Share Posted May 1, 2006 It's a major problem. It really doesn't help, I find, that so many prominent atheists are so abrasive. Which is, of course, no excuse for prejudice against atheists generally. Though... it does annoy me that the article capitalizes "Atheist" so much. It's... not a proper noun. The word "atheism" does not refer to a specific movement or religion, but to a general religio-philosophical position. It shouldn't be capitalized any more than "foundationalism" or "monism." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadoe Posted May 1, 2006 Share Posted May 1, 2006 He suggests, though, "Perhaps their atheism was the resultof a tragic death of a loved one, or an angry degrading sermon, or an insensitive eulogy, or an unfeeling castigation of lifestyle choices or perhaps something worse." Like, for instance, the absolute stupidity of the belief... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LosingMyReligion Posted May 1, 2006 Share Posted May 1, 2006 Even though I'm not an athiest I'm definitely not a christian. With that said I believe we can hold the extreme christian right accountable for these pervasive attitudes of intolerance. Afterall, we did have slavery, anti semitism, and homophobia based on the tenets of Judeo Christianity. My question is why are most believers so threatened by athiesm? So what, someone else doesn't believe in YOUR god... Therein I think is the biggest problem for Christians. They have this elitist attitude that their god is the only god, regardless of anyone having a particular faith... For instance, I watched a televangelist on television the other day. He went onto lament on how bogus, phoney, and stupid Hinduism, Buddism, and Islam was...And that somehow Christianity is superior because Jesus died for the church. Whatever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jose Posted May 3, 2006 Share Posted May 3, 2006 This atheist bashes back. I haven't been on this website in a while because I'm in a very angry place right now. I got to the point where I told my (very religious) mother that I would submit her name to death squads if ever Christianity was made illegal when she went on a rant about how atheists were trying to bring about "the End Times" and "kill all us Believers." I know it's not really healthy or socially accepted and I'll probably change my tune in a few months when I chill out a bit more, but I'm beginning to indiscriminately despise all Christians. So yeah, the hatred is fucking mutual, you fucks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-Demona- Posted May 3, 2006 Share Posted May 3, 2006 I'm not an atheist myself (eclectic pagan here, which is about as bad from a Judeo-Christian perspective), but hearing all this athiest-bashing makes me feel offended. Why can't these self-righteous fucks live and let live? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
♦ nivek ♦ Posted May 3, 2006 Share Posted May 3, 2006 Unlike most of the folks who *bash athiests*, this dis-believer is well able to take care of self and extended family.. It is ONLY words until the fists and bullets start will I begin to worry. kL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gnosis of Disbelief Posted May 3, 2006 Share Posted May 3, 2006 This isn't really news, is it? Atheism has never been accepted in this country....and, frankly, I don't think Americans are as tolerant of non-Judeo-Christian beliefs as the article would have us believe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
insomniac Posted May 6, 2006 Share Posted May 6, 2006 like gnosis said, america has never liked atheists...it seems americans are enamored with puritan idealism, and from the looks of things its not changing any time soon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reverend AtheiStar Posted May 6, 2006 Author Share Posted May 6, 2006 It's a major problem. It really doesn't help, I find, that so many prominent atheists are so abrasive. Which is, of course, no excuse for prejudice against atheists generally. Though... it does annoy me that the article capitalizes "Atheist" so much. It's... not a proper noun. The word "atheism" does not refer to a specific movement or religion, but to a general religio-philosophical position. It shouldn't be capitalized any more than "foundationalism" or "monism." Huh, it annoys me when Atheist is not capitalized. I consider it a proper noun even if the fundies at Webster don't. If "Christian" gets capitalized, so does "Atheist." It's that simple. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
notasheep Posted May 6, 2006 Share Posted May 6, 2006 Atheists have now assumed the role of the ultimate "other" or social villain once played by more traditional social bogeymen -- Jews, Communists, even Roman Catholics. We've taken the place of Jews and commies? Oh, shit, I'm scared. Wait. I'm agnostic. Does that count? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kellyb Posted May 6, 2006 Share Posted May 6, 2006 Unlike most of the folks who *bash athiests*, this dis-believer is well able to take care of self and extended family.. It is ONLY words until the fists and bullets start will I begin to worry. kL I'm with you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amethyst Posted May 6, 2006 Share Posted May 6, 2006 We've taken the place of Jews and commies? Oh, shit, I'm scared. Wait. I'm agnostic. Does that count? Probably to a fundy. Maybe not to a liberal. I'm agnostic also, btw. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reverend AtheiStar Posted May 7, 2006 Author Share Posted May 7, 2006 This isn't really news, is it? Atheism has never been accepted in this country....and, frankly, I don't think Americans are as tolerant of non-Judeo-Christian beliefs as the article would have us believe. I think times now are actually better despite what the poll said. I work with 7 other Atheists! Can you believe that? That's huge! I've never worked with so many unbelievers in my life! The feeling amongst most of the people I come across is tolerance. I think it's definitely pretty bad in places, but I mistrust the use of polls to guage what an entire nation is feeling. I also don't think that Hollywood is an accurate guage as they're just trying to suck up to what they think the majority wants because they need them. Same goes for politicians. This atheist bashes back. I haven't been on this website in a while because I'm in a very angry place right now. I got to the point where I told my (very religious) mother that I would submit her name to death squads if ever Christianity was made illegal when she went on a rant about how atheists were trying to bring about "the End Times" and "kill all us Believers." I know it's not really healthy or socially accepted and I'll probably change my tune in a few months when I chill out a bit more, but I'm beginning to indiscriminately despise all Christians. So yeah, the hatred is fucking mutual, you fucks. Hatred is part of the early stages of Atheism. Hopefully it will pass, as mine did. Sure, I still get angry from time to time, but it doesn't dominate me, anymore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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