Lion's Den Purpose

[Kratos]

I need clarification on the purpose of the Lion's Den from members and Moderators. I have believed that the statement under the title "Lion's Den" that says "Attention Real Christians" and the paragraph below it that this area of the forum is set aside for dialogue between Christians and Ex-Christians. I have been dumbfounded by the hostile reaction of members and particularly the accusations of coming here uninvited to evangelize. I have never tried to evangelize and felt that I had been invited to this area of the site. I have stayed away from the areas for Ex-Christians only.

 

Now I have received from a member on PM that this is not what the Lion's Den is for and that I deserve all of the hostility that I received for showing up at all on this or any other area of the forum. This member says that the Lion's Den is a place where Christians are barely tolerated, but really not wanted.

 

I never go where I am not invited and would gladly respect your private club if this is indeed what even the Lion's Den is for. Please tell me if the Owner of the site and the Moderators intention is for no one but Ex-Christians to post on this site and I will respect that. If that is the case, I suggest that you state this so others do not assume that "Attention Real Christians" is not an invitation to participate with the members here.

 

John

[Kelli]

Dude... The Lion's Den is what it is. Think about it. Most Christians come in here with grand plans of converting us all... then soon find themselves being eaten.

 

No one's asking you to leave, but if you can't take the heat, by all means get out of the kitchen...

[Japedo]

I need clarification on the purpose of the Lion's Den from members and Moderators. I have believed that the statement under the title "Lion's Den" that says "Attention Real Christians" and the paragraph below it that this area of the forum is set aside for dialogue between Christians and Ex-Christians. I have been dumbfounded by the hostile reaction of members and particularly the accusations of coming here uninvited to evangelize. I have never tried to evangelize and felt that I had been invited to this area of the site. I have stayed away from the areas for Ex-Christians only.

 

Now I have received from a member on PM that this is not what the Lion's Den is for and that I deserve all of the hostility that I received for showing up at all on this or any other area of the forum. This member says that the Lion's Den is a place where Christians are barely tolerated, but really not wanted.

 

I never go where I am not invited and would gladly respect your private club if this is indeed what even the Lion's Den is for. Please tell me if the Owner of the site and the Moderators intention is for no one but Ex-Christians to post on this site and I will respect that. If that is the case, I suggest that you state this so others do not assume that "Attention Real Christians" is not an invitation to participate with the members here.

 

John

 

Kratos.

 

Please stop being over sensitive. The LD is exactly what it says it is.

 

 

Attention "Real" � Christians!

 

This is the section of the board to post Christian opinions, arguments, sermons and so on. Even aggressive evangelism will be tolerated in this section of the forum.

 

For more serious debate, go to the "Colosseum."

 

For the most serious debate, go to the "Arena."

Expect heated responses here.

 

 

You are free, and as far as I know, no one needs permission to post on Ex-C regardless of what religious affiliation they belong to. The main purpose of the site is to assist and aid people leaving or who left the dogma, so long as you respect that and the rules here I don't see that it's much of an issue.

 

The first step Christians need to take is to question or challenge their beliefs, that happens in baby steps. So many might test their faith by coming here, but one of two things will happen. 1) They will run, and close their mind and plug their ears and pray, and stop seeking. or 2) They will come to a completely different understanding and their views start changing gradually. The more hard-core the zealot, the more fun to break them in my opinion.

 

In saying that...... I'll be honest. The more you look down your high-horse of a nose and talk down to us, the more hostile we'll get. Attempting to set up rules of how people can engage in a conversation with you is just asking to be bitch-slapped IMO. You'll learn the ropes. You'll need a tough skin and even tougher tolerance. We are the epitome of everything you're against. Why you're here I dunno, I like Xtians here, I like when their arguments are confronted and picked apart to the inth degree.

 

 

that's my $0.02 anyway

[Kratos]

Thank you for your replys and clarification. This was a member, but I wanted to make sure. I have no problem being taught how to abide by the rules here or how to play nice. I just do not want to be somewhere that I am not supposed to be because of a misunderstanding of the intended purpose. It is wrong to say that you are the epitome of what I am against because this is just not true. I am not against any flesh and blood and have no intention to try to evangelize or reconvert anyone. I just am facinated by people and why they choose to do and believe what they do.

 

John

[Japedo]

Thank you for your replys and clarification. This was a member, but I wanted to make sure. I have no problem being taught how to abide by the rules here or how to play nice. I just do not want to be somewhere that I am not supposed to be because of a misunderstanding of the intended purpose. It is wrong to say that you are the epitome of what I am against because this is just not true. I am not against any flesh and blood and have no intention to try to evangelize or reconvert anyone. I just am facinated by people and why they choose to do and believe what they do.

 

John

 

 

Come on now Krat.... lets not be disingenuous..

 

You have issues against strong women, gay's, and a host of other things that allow people liberty and freedom.

[white_raven23]

Gee....let's look

 

Here's the description for the Coliseum

 

Colosseum

Or Coliseum, if you prefer.

 

This section is for more serious debate with Christians. Although this section is not as formal as "The Arena," all posts should remain "on topic" at all times.

 

If a topic degenerates and wanders away from the topic, as frequently happens when people disagree, the entire topic may be moved to "The Lion's Den," closed, or deleted altogether. Offending posters may even receive warnings.

 

The point of this section is for those members who would like to see and participate in informal, yet serious, debate.

 

And someone else already posted the description for the Lion's Den. Ya know, my first time here, reading those descriptions as a competent and educated human being, I had NO DOUBT as to the difference between the 2 forums. And even if I had, a quick perusal of the threads posted in each would have illuminated the difference.

 

Kratos, you are totally disingenous. Do you actually believe you are the first Christian to come in here and rile people up, and be a total asshole, only to suddenly do an "about face" and claim innocent confusion as to what the Lion's Den is?

 

Fuck You with a broken rusty tailpipe.

 

That's about as original as someone claiming to have read our testimonials and claim understanding, and then claim the reason we all left was because we just picked the wrong church, when we should have gone to *your's* because that was where religious truth was all along.

[R. S. Martin]

Here's what I said (edited to remove personal info):

 

Ruby on PM to Kratos:

 

It seems I don't fully understand all the rules myself. They're posted on the forums so you can read them yourself. You can also contact a moderator if you need clarification.

 

In the Lion's Den, open evangelization is permitted. "Permitted" means you won't get banned or censured for it. The full range of verbal abuse will be applied as members see fit. In the Colleseum, it's supposed to stay on topic and be civil. In the Arena, it has to be formally organized and arranged by a moderator.

 

No area is "specifically set aside for Christians to post." Christians are intruding. They are not invited or welcome. Because Christians insist on posting, we tolerate them in a few areas.

 

Here is a copy of the quip under Lion's Den:

 

This is the section of the board to post Christian opinions, arguments, sermons and so on. Even aggressive evangelism will be tolerated in this section of the forum. For more serious debate, go to the "Colosseum." For the most serious debate, go to the "Arena."

 

The sole purpose of the exC forums is to support exChristians. When Christians come into the Lion's Den, new deconverts get experience in a "safe" environment to practice their nonreligious arguments, and flex their deconversion muscles; this prepares them for the inevitable confrontation with friends and family. Don't fool yourself for one second that a space "is provided" for Christians. That is plain ludicrous. It's like serving alcohol at an AA meeting.

 

You don't see religion as the opium of the people but many of us do. Many and many a drug or alcohol addict will exchange substance abuse for religious addiction. It's how so many detox programs are set up in North America. Some secularists have gone the detox route cold turkey because they could not afford the risk of being subjected to any more religious abuse via detox programs.

 

This being the case, do you now understand how your behaviour was offensive in the extreme on exC, and how you earned all the abuse you got?

 

I want a straight answer. No "turning the other cheek."

 

Ruby

 

Obviously, that is my opinion. Admitedly, it's stated in somewhat strong language. Sorry, but I'm given to that once in a while, esp. on topics about which I feel strongly. The case is exacerbated when I'm talking to a person who dodges my questions. I have not yet received an answer to my question. This is the second time I asked it.

 

As Kratos knows, I have been sharing this exchange with friends. They are members here. As they can attest, in an earlier message he claimed--without provovation--that he did nothing wrong here.

 

(Maybe we will have to keep the convo with Kratos on the Message to Christians thread as evidence. I asked Hans to delete most of the conversation with Kratos because it is off-topic. If anyone thinks we should keep it, better tab Hans before he deletes it.)

 

My question is the result of his claim that he did nothing wrong. I would like to see an answer.

[♦ nivek ♦]

Krakhed...

 

WTF did you fail to read in sunday skuLLe?

 

 

"Lion's Den", as in tossed your ass into.

 

Keep calm, move towards an egress, have a buddy or two that move slower than yourself to give to lionesses hunting, you may make it to the door marked "EXIT".

 

Bubba, this is not a social club where folks who have no obvious *issues* sit, drink diet root beer and fuck like bunnies in the weight room when the Coach 'taint watching...

 

It IS more like a front line First Aid station where we get more than our share of folks ripped bleeding and hurt from your fucking religious experiences, and often "kind hands of biblical correction" applied to their hides.

 

When they drop in here, you, oh outsider, with your chrome finish untainted, and your spiffy little answer book yet harshly beat by experience and real.life, are the one who gets the attention..

 

You WANT to continue to piss off a room fulla folks who have learned by touch and life to hate the various sectarian contentions that have done their best to beat them into the Xorg/Morg/JWorg/Etcorg molds, that will be your choice.

 

*I* could give a fuck less what you preach or believe. What I do care about is how much time you cause me to waste cleaning up the various urine and shat stains on the floors when preachers loose their bowels and will to continue their fights.

 

Don't give a fuck if you answer this post or not. I remain Webmaster's cleanup dumbass and head of bottle washing.

 

Watch your ass here, enjoy being challenged and caused to think way past your paygrade. Stupid, obvious, goofy pre-canned *answers* will end you up in the heap of shit I wash out of here every night.

 

 

It's been said that the Staff of a website like this sets the tone, the voice, of the House. If so I prefer the users here to say what they mean the first fucking time, not having to retreat, explain, or go on long winded tours of bullshit.

 

Condense, summarize, link, and be prepared.

 

kfuckin'L

[R. S. Martin]

I never go where I am not invited and would gladly respect your private club if this is indeed what even the Lion's Den is for. Please tell me if the Owner of the site and the Moderators intention is for no one but Ex-Christians to post on this site and I will respect that. If that is the case, I suggest that you state this so others do not assume that "Attention Real Christians" is not an invitation to participate with the members here.

 

John

 

I do back away when the name calling and foul language comes into the conversation as it often does here. I understand that it is because many ex-Christians have anger toward Christianity and cannot help expressing it to every Christian who dares to venture onto their site. But that does not mean that I have to listen to it as it offends me.

 

This wolf is lying through his teeth.

 

Here's what people told him in the Message to Christians thread:

 

Then why come back for more of the same?

....

 

What, you mean like in the real world? If you don't want to hear language that you disagree with, then why don't you go live in a box? Last I checked this was not your site and you are not the webmaster or a mod, so you have no right to come on here and expect us to abide by a different set of rules just because you don't like the way this site is run. If you don't like the language that we speak, nobody makes you stay here but yourself. But unless you somehow become the webmaster we have no reason conform to your every selfish desire. We don't go over to your church and demand that everyone there start swearing to conform to our beliefs, do we? No, because that's not our building and we don't make the rules there. You should show the same respect at somebody elses site and stop expecting people to always follow your rules in an environment that you don't have control over. It's funny how you're the only Christian I've seen here so far nagging about us using "bad names" and "bad language" yet I never hear other Christians like Soj or Open Minded complaining and yes, they are Christians too and they get along with us just fine. And can you please stop with the Christian perscution complex please? It gets very annoying when someone complains about being perscuted just because we use language they don't like when Christianity is the freaking most popular religion in the world. Talk about being a drama queen.

 

Pray tell, how does this seem like an "invitation"? Yet this is how you were "greeted." And you stayed. And stayed. And stayed.

 

 

I cannot speak for other Christians, but only from my own experience. I have no problem discussing my beliefs with atheists or anyone else for that matter. Nor do I have a problem when my beliefs are challenged by others. In fact, I have such conversations on a weekly basis on many other forums.

 

I do back away when the name calling and foul language comes into the conversation as it often does here. I understand that it is because many ex-Christians have anger toward Christianity and cannot help expressing it to every Christian who dares to venture onto their site. But that does not mean that I have to listen to it as it offends me.

 

Do not mistake this as being unable to be challenged on my beliefs or that I mind contention. I will do the same thing if I go to a theater and the language in the movie goes over the top as too offensive for what I choose to hear.

 

I even tried moving my participation to the Colliseum where this type of posting was supposed to be prohibited, but the language and venom was the same.

 

You certainly have the right to freedom of speech and the right to speak on your forum any way that you like. But understand that those who used to talk with the same kind of vulgar speach and were delivered of it just do not like to hear it any more. It is like expecting an ex-alsoholic to be comfortable in a bar. I just do not want you to come away from the experience of Christians dropping out of some conversations as a proof that their beliefs cannot be subject to challenge and the scrutiny of others. It is often the 'way' in which some speak rather what they are trying to say that is the problem. Everyone is not like this, but if you do not police such behavior yourselves, you will keep getting the same result.

 

At least this has been my experience for what it is worth. I just respect my own humanity too much to endure being belittled and disrespected in what should be civil discourse.

 

John

 

Good... fuck off and die in a cold place... just exercising my freedom of expression of course...

 

I hope you and your prosletysing catamite wind up maggot ridden in a ditch with your eyelids removed... but not dead... never dead.... bearing in mind that pain would infinitesimal to the pain you believe your demon god will inflict on me...

 

and what part of the name Ex-Christians makes a Christian think they're going to get a 'civil discourse'... you closet despoiler of the minds of children... (again, my freedom of expression) are you reall so stupid as to think we're not going to insult you and swear at you? You sack of foetid pigs entrails! You dumb fucker of animals. You self molesting 8 holed bag of pus... (still exercising my freedom of expression) You and your minion of sodomy are just inhuman wretches who deserve to be expunged from the gene pool (of course I could stand in your church and say all this... freedom of speech being what it is...)

 

Only a sick individual with no self respect would respond to or converse with such a person. I am not it.

 

but then, that's a response, arse wipe... I win, you're a turd...

 

You lied.

 

And kept on staying.

 

At least we can disagree civilly.

 

No, we can't, when you insist on coming to this site spreading your poisonous doctrine and expecting to encounter no resistence. Your god, and by extension, you, plainly take gays to be "sinners" and women to be less than fully human. It is not acceptable.

 

So please go away. Civil enough for ya?

 

You have been asked to leave.

 

You stayed. And stayed. And stayed. And stayed. And stayed.

 

Now you promise that you would leave if you were not welcome. You claim that you never go where you are not invited or welcome.

 

You were asked to leave yesterday. But you stayed.

 

You make a public post to see if you are welcome. Yesterday you were publicly ridiculed and asked civily to leave.

 

You did not hear. You did not accept the message. You showed no respect for anyone's feelings. You showed severe contempt of our feelings.

 

You stayed and stayed and stayed.

 

Now you present the case as though I told you something you didn't already know. You think you can get the public ear by crying pity poor me! Bastard. Go to hell you fucking bastard. Not fit to utter your Lord's name in prayer. Not fit to kiss the dirt where His holy feet trod the earth.

 

You hypocrite! Your own Lord and Master calls you a pit of vipers, a whited sepulcher and polished bowl--beautiful to look upon but full of dead men's bones and filth on the inside. That's YOU--you low down mean bastard, son of a bitch.

 

Whew! If you don't feel welcome and loved to death...

[R. S. Martin]

Krakhed...

 

WTF did you fail to read in sunday skuLLe?

 

 

"Lion's Den", as in tossed your ass into.

 

Keep calm, move towards an egress, have a buddy or two that move slower than yourself to give to lionesses hunting, you may make it to the door marked "EXIT".

 

Bubba, this is not a social club where folks who have no obvious *issues* sit, drink diet root beer and fuck like bunnies in the weight room when the Coach 'taint watching...

 

It IS more like a front line First Aid station where we get more than our share of folks ripped bleeding and hurt from your fucking religious experiences, and often "kind hands of biblical correction" applied to their hides.

 

When they drop in here, you, oh outsider, with your chrome finish untainted, and your spiffy little answer book yet harshly beat by experience and real.life, are the one who gets the attention..

 

You WANT to continue to piss off a room fulla folks who have learned by touch and life to hate the various sectarian contentions that have done their best to beat them into the Xorg/Morg/JWorg/Etcorg molds, that will be your choice.

 

*I* could give a fuck less what you preach or believe. What I do care about is how much time you cause me to waste cleaning up the various urine and shat stains on the floors when preachers loose their bowels and will to continue their fights.

 

Don't give a fuck if you answer this post or not. I remain Webmaster's cleanup dumbass and head of bottle washing.

 

Watch your ass here, enjoy being challenged and caused to think way past your paygrade. Stupid, obvious, goofy pre-canned *answers* will end you up in the heap of shit I wash out of here every night.

 

 

It's been said that the Staff of a website like this sets the tone, the voice, of the House. If so I prefer the users here to say what they mean the first fucking time, not having to retreat, explain, or go on long winded tours of bullshit.

 

Condense, summarize, link, and be prepared.

 

kfuckin'L

 

Love ya, Kev.

[Rhia]

Kratos,

 

Nearly every one of us has had to deal with lying, manipulative, snake-oil charlatans in their pressed suits and slicked-back hair peddling their cure-all for the ails of life, death, eternity - and an answer to every question in the world.

 

NONE of us are going to buy it anymore. NONE of us are going to tolerate you any longer.

 

You, and your pack of Christian cronies are NOT going to take over this site and "win it for Christ", no matter how many Christians come here and try to sympathize with "our plight"; or attempt to flood it in hope that we'll "see the light", or that you or any other will be able to find a loop-hole though which to reconvert.

 

You are not trusted. You were asked to leave. Now LEAVE US.

 

And since you haven't seemed to listen to others, and I doubt you will listen to it said nicely - PULL YOUR HEAD OUT OF YOUR FUCKING ASS, AND GET THE FUCK OUT OF HERE!!!

[Guest WarrantedPVC]

Kratos, let's talk the Bible a bit. When Daniel was put in the lions' den, did he start asking them to play nice? Not as far as I know. That wouldn't have helped... He prayed to God and no less than an angel was needed shut the lions' mouth.

 

It's the same way here... So you have three choices.

1) If you really want to communicate with us, bite the bullet, put up with the lions and tolerate their language.

2) If you want to communicate with us but can't tolerate the language, pray to God for an angel so people magically change their language to something you can tolerate

3) If you don't really want to communicate with us, you can freely go away.... unlike Daniel's, our lions' den doesn't have a stone preventing you from going out (you also came in willingly, we didn't force you).

 

While I am not a fan of bad language either, I understand why some people use it, and I not only respect their right to do so but I also don't think less of them because they do. If you have a problem with it, we don't want to trouble you, you are very free to go. But please understand that people will not change their behaviour just so we can have you here in all comfort. No forums would ever do that, by the way.

 

PVC

[Kelli]

Kratos, let's talk the Bible a bit. When Daniel was put in the lions' den, did he start asking them to play nice? Not as far as I know. That wouldn't have helped... He prayed to God and no less than an angel was needed shut the lions' mouth.

 

It's the same way here... So you have three choices.

1) If you really want to communicate with us, bite the bullet, put up with the lions and tolerate their language.

2) If you want to communicate with us but can't tolerate the language, pray to God for an angel so people magically change their language to something you can tolerate

3) If you don't really want to communicate with us, you can freely go away.... unlike Daniel's, our lions' den doesn't have a stone preventing you from going out (you also came in willingly, we didn't force you).

 

Nicely done. Very nicely done.

[Grandpa Harley]

As I pointed out elsewhere... it would seem that our whining Christian has a poor grasp of the Latinate prefix 'Ex-'

[Vigile]

John,

 

Consider the site. Consider what the mission of this site is. It is for support of ex christians. Those of us here have had issues with xianity. Some of those issues are quite fresh. Some basically need to use xian visitors as target practice. It's theraputic for those who have things they need to get off their chest and this is tool that gives them the freedom to do so. You are welcome here, but don't expect replies to you to be moderated in the Den. I'm not exactly sure what it is you expect.

 

Take the lesson from Solomon. There is a time [and I'd add, a place] for everything. The Den is likely neither the time and place for civility with those whose beliefs engender a great deal of pain, frustration and anger for members here. If you expect it, you probably need to adjust your expectations a bit.

[R. S. Martin]

Thanks Vigil.

[white_raven23]

I never go where I am not invited and would gladly respect your private club if this is indeed what even the Lion's Den is for. Please tell me if the Owner of the site and the Moderators intention is for no one but Ex-Christians to post on this site and I will respect that. If that is the case, I suggest that you state this so others do not assume that "Attention Real Christians" is not an invitation to participate with the members here.

 

John

 

 

By the by John,

 

I'll thank you as to not pervert the original punctuation for the Lion's Den description. It's Attention "Real" Christians, not "Attention Real Christians". Where you put the little quotation marks makes a world of difference as to what is being stated.

 

And it says Christians can post stuff here. There are plenty of forums here where your posts are NOT tolerated at all, as in, they will be deleted the moment a Mod sets eyes on them. It doesn't mean your posts are WELCOME in the Lion's Den, in the sense that you can spead your views and we will politely smile and nod, it means your BS won't be policed by the Mods until you've really really earned it. And it gives the lion cubs a chance to whet their teeth on your ass.

 

And you do conveniently ignore the Expect Heated Responses so you can wring your hankie and whine that we are being just oh so mean.

 

I have to be minimally courteous to your ilk in real life. I don't have to do so here. This is OUR den. And we are more than happy to eat you alive.

[Lightbearer]

I'm confused, I kind of see both sides of the arguement here but I need some clarification. We can lay down the facts and settle on an argeement. First off, Kratos, what's your "side of the story" exactly? Whats your problem?

[Legion]

... you probably need to adjust your expectations a bit.

Ah, I think this could be the motto of all humanity.

[Grandpa Harley]

I'm confused, I kind of see both sides of the arguement here but I need some clarification. We can lay down the facts and settle on an argeement. First off, Kratos, what's your "side of the story" exactly? Whats your problem?

 

He's pissed that we didn't play nice and listen to his bigoted shyte!

[Kratos]

My first post expresses my side of the story. I took the description under the name of the forum as " Atention "Real" Christians" as a request for Christians to give the posters here our attention. This sounded like an invitation to post to me. Another member told me in a PM that Christians are not welcome here and that we are intruding where not either invited or wanted so I asked for clarification from others what the purpose of this forum is so I was not out of order. That is all.

 

The majority answered that Christians are welcome here to post, but the few that do not want to here what Christians have to say are the most loud and the most hateful and the most vulgar. I suspect they the minority does rule here. The 'squeeky wheel' and all that.

 

John

[Grandpa Harley]

Let's look at the truth of that statement, shall we...

 

Madam M - She likes Chrisitans since they give her someone to fight - that's welcome?

 

Kell - She doesn't care, but does point out that they come here like their ideas are gold, when everyone here knows it's all bullshit and they've heard it all before... Not precisely wlecome, more 'tolerated'

 

Japedo - Points out that The Lion's Den is a place we pull the limbs of Christians who come here for fun - Not welcome, but tolerated.

 

White_Raven - "Fuck You with a broken rusty tailpipe." - Very welcoming.

 

Me - Not welcome, but handy for practising insults on...

 

Ruby - not welcome both in PM and on thread.

 

Skip - Christians are allowed but not welcome

 

Rhia - Not Welcome

 

WPVC - Non-committal

 

Vigil - Sage advice, but thinks your treatment isn't unwarranted.

 

Legion and Light bearer didn't answer

 

so...totals

 

Tolerated but not welcome - 3

 

Unwelcome - 4

 

No answer - 2

 

Useful as Punchbag - 1

 

non commital - 2

 

Checksum - posters 12 - responses - 12

 

So where's this 'welcome wagon' majority of which you speak?

[Celsus]

We created the "Lion's Den" in this incarnation of ExC.NET forums to be a place for non-structured, no holds barred, arguing. More structured debates are for the Colosseum and formal debates are for the Arena. Anything is pretty much allowed in the Lion's Den.

[Grandpa Harley]

but does that mean we actually *want* prosletysing chrisitans to show up for any reason other than lookitthesillymunkee?

[Evolution_beyond]

I find Lion's Den entertaining and fun. The forum would be a lot more dull without it.

 

I enjoy the arguments with christians because I enjoy a good argument.

 

Of course many post and run - and that's just irritating.

 

Others continue to spout bigotry and confusing insanity. It can be fun to heap the insults on them. But it soons gets tiresome.

 

Others give really good, interesting arguments for a while. This is the real point of Lion's Den for me - to get a good fulfilling argument. However I have yet to find an argument from a christian that really convinced me. And I suppose that is the point of these discussions. It's reassurance that the logic really is on our side.

 

Occasionally a christian comes on here and ends up turning into a half-decent human being. You know, someone who actually treats us with respect and actually listens to opinions that aren't their own.

 

So are christians welcomed? Not really. Tolerated? Possibly.

 

I think the truthful answer is that Christians are allowed to spout their nonsense in Lion's Den but mostly for our own entertainment. Christians are neither welcomed, nor truly tolerated - but they are kind of on probation. They have to earn our trust before we will tolerate them and then the nicest of us might even welcome them