Does Judgment Just Disappear For Unbelief

[prove_17]

Rom 3:3 For what if some did not believe? shall their unbelief make the faith of God without effect?

Rom 3:4 God forbid: yea, let God be true, but every man a liar; as it is written, That thou mightest be justified in thy sayings, and mightest overcome when thou art judged.

Rom 3:5 But if our unrighteousness commend the righteousness of God, what shall we say? [is] God unrighteous who taketh vengeance? (I speak as a man)

Rom 3:6 God forbid: for then how shall God judge the world?

[Shyone]

Rom 3:3 For what if some did not believe? shall their unbelief make the faith of God without effect?

Rom 3:4 God forbid: yea, let God be true, but every man a liar; as it is written, That thou mightest be justified in thy sayings, and mightest overcome when thou art judged.

Rom 3:5 But if our unrighteousness commend the righteousness of God, what shall we say? [is] God unrighteous who taketh vengeance? (I speak as a man)

Rom 3:6 God forbid: for then how shall God judge the world?

[2.6] Surely those who disbelieve, it being alike to them whether you warn them, or do not warn them, will not believe.

[2.55] And when you said: O Musa! we will not believe in you until we see Allah manifestly, so the punishment overtook you while you looked on.

 

So, clearly, not believing does not excuse one from Judgement and punishment.

[buffettphan]

Looky here, I can post bible verses too:

Ezekiel 20:25-26 (New International Version)

²⁵ I also gave them over to statutes that were not good and laws they could not live by; ²⁶ I let them become defiled through their gifts—the sacrifice of every firstborn —that I might fill them with horror so they would know that I am the LORD.'

 

In other words: To force you to believe, god will fuck you up. Nice. Obviously judgment, punishment, and treachery are biblegod's favorite toys. (We won't even mention that so-called gift of free will......)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pFzlX9X3E18&feature=player_embedded

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Deva]

Prove_17 - I don't know why you think you can just go around to various places on this site and just quote us Bible verses. This is a section reserved for serious discussions.

 

From the rules for this section:

 

"The point of this section is for those members who would like to see and participate in informal, yet serious, debate."

 

If you have a point, state it and THEN back it up, particularly in this section. Otherwise, get out.

[The-Captain]

Yes please enter into a discussion. Simply pasting outside materials is spamming.

[Antlerman]

Prove_17. The Colosseum is reserved for serious discussions. Simply quoting Bible verses without saying any thoughts of your own does not qualify as a discussion, let alone a serious one.

 

Please only start topics in the Lions Den. You are creating unnecessary work for me. Do not start any more topics in the Colosseum.

[agnosticator]

Rom 3:3 For what if some did not believe? shall their unbelief make the faith of God without effect?

Rom 3:4 God forbid: yea, let God be true, but every man a liar; as it is written, That thou mightest be justified in thy sayings, and mightest overcome when thou art judged.

Rom 3:5 But if our unrighteousness commend the righteousness of God, what shall we say? [is] God unrighteous who taketh vengeance? (I speak as a man)

Rom 3:6 God forbid: for then how shall God judge the world?

 

Human decency is not one of the biblegod's traits. And you are doing a great job emulating His Assholeyness. Yes, this god is morally unrighteous for taking vengeance. Note vengeance is not justice. And I might add that unbelief does cancel the biblegod's faith system. Unbelief exposes it for the lie it is.

[Ouroboros]

Rom 3:3 For what if some did not believe? shall their unbelief make the faith of God without effect?

Rom 3:4 God forbid: yea, let God be true, but every man a liar; as it is written, That thou mightest be justified in thy sayings, and mightest overcome when thou art judged.

Every man? Really. Even you? Even Paul? Even Jesus? Sure, God doesn't lie, but obviously according to the scriptures EVERY MAN lies. So not only I lie, but you do too, and so did Paul and Jesus. All the writers of the Bible were men, so the Bible is a lie. Remember, EVERY MAN is a liar.

 

(It's so much fun when the Bible uses hyperbole.)

 

Rom 3:5 But if our unrighteousness commend the righteousness of God, what shall we say? [is] God unrighteous who taketh vengeance? (I speak as a man)

"I speak as a man" and "every man a liar" goes well together. Paul is admitting to be a man, and every man is a liar, so he is obviously lying.

 

Rom 3:6 God forbid: for then how shall God judge the world?

Easy, everyone is a liar, so no one knows the truth. Everyone will go to Hell. Even Jesus.

[Overcame Faith]

Since all you're doing is quoting from a book, I'll quote from a better one:

 

You don't know about me without you have read a book by the name of The Adventures of Tom Sawyer; but that ain't no matter. That book was made by Mr. Mark Twain, and he told the truth, mainly. There was things which he stretched, but mainly he told the truth.

 

Adventures of Huckleberry Finn

Opening lines of the book, Chapter 1.

 

And from the same book:

 

After supper she got out her book and learned me about Moses and the Bulrushers and I was in a sweat to find out all about him; but by and by she let it out that Moses had been dead a considerable long time; so then I didn't care no more about him, because I don't take no stock in dead people.

 

Adventures of Huckleberry Finn

Huck, referring to the Widow Douglas, Chapter 1.

[bdp]

Does Judgment Just Disappear For Unbelief?

 

Who gives a flying fuck? Go sell it somewhere else, asswad.

[bdp]

 

Easy, everyone is a liar, so no one knows the truth. Everyone will go to Hell. Even Jesus.

 

God is a lot like the Futurama robo-Santa.

[Astreja]

Prove_17, until you provide empirical, objective, peer-reviewed scientific evidence that your god is something more than a figment of the imagination...

 

...There IS no f%cking judgment. None. You die and you remain dead, and no woo-woo Guy in the Sky calls you to account for anything you did during your lifetime.

 

Simple as that.

 

(reaches into the corner behind Her desk and brandishes Her Clue-by-Four™ in an extremely unfriendly manner)

 

Now stop posting those idiotic Bible quotations and talk to us in your own words. If you are incapable of doing that, go away and don't bother coming back.

[lunaticheathen]

And this is what the Liber AL vel Legis says about your little religions.

3.49. I am in a secret fourfold word, the blasphemy against all gods of men. 50. Curse them! Curse them! Curse them! 51. With my Hawk's head I peck at the eyes of Jesus as he hangs upon the cross. 52. I flap my wings in the face of Mohammed & blind him. 53. With my claws I tear out the flesh of the Indian and the Buddhist, Mongol and Din. 54. Bahlasti! Ompehda! I spit on your crapulous creeds. 55. Let Mary inviolate be torn upon wheels: for her sake let all chaste women be utterly despised among you! 56. Also for beauty's sake and love's! 57. Despise also all cowards; professional soldiers who dare not fight, but play; all fools despise! 58. But the keen and the proud, the royal and the lofty; ye are brothers! 59. As brothers fight ye! 60. There is no law beyond Do what thou wilt.

[Shyone]

And this is what the Liber AL vel Legis says about your little religions.

3.49. I am in a secret fourfold word, the blasphemy against all gods of men. 50. Curse them! Curse them! Curse them! 51. With my Hawk's head I peck at the eyes of Jesus as he hangs upon the cross. 52. I flap my wings in the face of Mohammed & blind him. 53. With my claws I tear out the flesh of the Indian and the Buddhist, Mongol and Din. 54. Bahlasti! Ompehda! I spit on your crapulous creeds. 55. Let Mary inviolate be torn upon wheels: for her sake let all chaste women be utterly despised among you! 56. Also for beauty's sake and love's! 57. Despise also all cowards; professional soldiers who dare not fight, but play; all fools despise! 58. But the keen and the proud, the royal and the lofty; ye are brothers! 59. As brothers fight ye! 60. There is no law beyond Do what thou wilt.

crapulous.

 

I'm going to have to remember that word.

[oddbird1963]

"Does Judgment Just Disappear For Unbelief"

 

Apparently you still think your Bible is a magic book.

 

You are posting on a site where people no longer view the bible as special in terms of a relatiinship to a higher being.

Bible quotes mean nothing. You might as well post quotes from the book of Mormon. Or from Harry Potter books.

 

So, why do you persist in using bible quotes?

 

On the surface, it appears you think it will have some magic affect on us.

 

But even deeper, you're doing it because you are lazy and disrespectful to us as human beings.

 

It seems lazy because all you have to do is copy, paste and submit after enclosing selected words in underline tags.

You do not have to think or construct coherent sentences. Just click on "add reply" and sit back feeling all smug and superior.

 

It seems disrespectful because you won't engage in any real dialog. Perhaps you are afraid to come out from behind your cliched collection of beloved proof texts and deal with the feedback you will receive in an honest manner.

 

At any rate your ridiculous approach to other humans is just confirmation that Christians have no real answers or ideas. Just smoke and flatus to spew out when confronted by ideas different than their own.

[prove_17]

So, why do you persist in using bible quotes?

 

 

Isa 55:11 So shall my word be that goeth forth out of my mouth: it shall not return unto me void, but it shall accomplish that which I please, and it shall prosper [in the thing] whereto I sent it.

[prove_17]

Prove_17. The Colosseum is reserved for serious discussions. Simply quoting Bible verses without saying any thoughts of your own does not qualify as a discussion, let alone a serious one.

 

Please only start topics in the Lions Den. You are creating unnecessary work for me. Do not start any more topics in the Colosseum.

 

I apologize, this was not my intention. I will start them in the "Lions Den" only.

[hereticzero]

Romans Chapter Two claims it is blasphemy to preach the law to Gentiles. We do not need the law nor do we need saving grace from Iesus. We are a law unto ourselves because we show the law is in our hearts. Obviously only the Jews needed salvation. Christians prove time after time that they do not believe their own doctrine which is why there are so many churches, no one gets along with each other. Judgment only exists in the heads of the religious. There is no judgment, there are no rewards or damnation. When we die, we all go to the same place, the ground.

[hereticzero]

Jeremiah wrote that the scribes were liars and that god did not give the law to Moses but that it was from out of their own little minds that the law was given. Jeremiah even said the truth was not found in the land. There is no truth in the story of Moses nor the old testament. If the prophets of the religion do not believe in it then why should we? This goes with the OP because for the OP to be true, the OT must also be true because the NT depends on the OT to be true. Iesus never came because god does not require a sacrifice, especially humans. The NT was written in the same BS way the Book of Mormon was written. The writer's pulled it out of their asses and claimed kinship to Jews by Iesus, to make them part of the perfect vine. This doctrine is racist. Iesus was a racist that referred to Gentiles as 'dogs.' The 'Jew' did not even exist until the Hebrew arrived in Jerusalem from Babylon. Their Torah or OT for xtians, was not written until that time which makes Moses and everything else about the OT, a fictional account of the Jewish religion. This also proves that the NT is also a work of fiction because the writers did not know their own history except as was given them through their religion. All of it is fiction. For you to come preaching to us, is blasphemy to god through you. You put words in god's mouth he never spoke, which is you committing blasphemy again.

[prove_17]

Romans Chapter Two claims it is blasphemy to preach the law to Gentiles. We do not need the law nor do we need saving grace from Iesus. We are a law unto ourselves because we show the law is in our hearts. Obviously only the Jews needed salvation. Christians prove time after time that they do not believe their own doctrine which is why there are so many churches, no one gets along with each other. Judgment only exists in the heads of the religious. There is no judgment, there are no rewards or damnation. When we die, we all go to the same place, the ground.

 

Rom 2:11 For there is no respect of persons with God.

Rom 2:12 For as many as have sinned without law shall also perish without law: and as many as have sinned in the law shall be judged by the law;

Rom 2:13 (For not the hearers of the law [are] just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified.

Rom 2:14 For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law unto themselves:

Rom 2:15 Which shew the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and [their] thoughts the mean while accusing or else excusing one another;)

Rom 2:16 In the day when God shall judge the secrets of men by Jesus Christ according to my gospel.

 

Rom 3:22 Even the righteousness of God [which is] by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference:

Rom 3:23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;

[hereticzero]

That proves my point, the scribes are liars claiming god said what he never spoke. Man never fell from grace and Iesus never came.

[hereticzero]

Prove the story of the talking snake giving a magical piece of fruit to a little girl is true and without error.

[hereticzero]

Prove the existence of unicorns, satyrs, cockatrices, and fauns.

[Thackerie]

So, why do you persist in using bible quotes?

 

 

Isa 55:11 So shall my word be that goeth forth out of my mouth: it shall not return unto me void, but it shall accomplish that which I please, and it shall prosper [in the thing] whereto I sent it.

 

Guys, I think you're wasting your time trying to communicate with this one. I don't think Prove is a human being at all, just a biblebot spamming program.

 

But, if there is a real person in control, it sure sounds like a christian-hating troll purposely trying to show christians in an even more unflattering way than we're used to.

 

I can't quite figure it out. But so far it hasn't said anything worth reading so I guess there's really no reason to even try.

 

[par4dcourse]

I still have judgement! I judge you to be an annoying apologetic troll who has no original thoughts outside "the good book."

 

See how well it works?