Gun Control Hypocrisy

[♦ nivek ♦]

"Better to be judged by 12 than carried by 6" goes the old saw in my part of the world.

Tool in hand beats hell out of one left home, locked in car, or set someplace it can't do ya good when needed.

 

Politicians have zero, Z E R O, interest in your safety, nor give a damn about what you and yours need.

 

Your safety is totally up to you, not some assklown in a three piece power suit, nor a blue uniform..

 

If you aren't comfortable with *iron* in hand, then take time in dojo to learn how to handle self and surroundings.

 

In any event the clowns we masturbat, err.., elect, have no concern about what happens to the individual.

 

kFL

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Gun control hypocrisy

Ohioans for Concealed Carry

by Dan White

 

"From Rosie O'Donnell's armed bodyguards to Dianne Feinstein holding

one of the only ccw licenses in San Francisco, the anti-gun world is

rife with pundits who don't practice what they preach. What is it

about these people that make them believe that guns are perfectly ok

for protection, as long as it is their guns; and that you can't be

trusted with yours? Do they believe their lives are more important

than yours? Or is it that they believe they are the only ones capable

of handling such a responsibility? It says a lot about their views

about the 'common folk' when they exercise a right they daily try to

deny you." (11/07/06)

 

http://tinyurl.com/yf2jbx

[snookums]

Dunno....

Catch 22 situation.

The more guns people have, the more people are afraid of people with guns.

[♦ nivek ♦]

Dunno....

Catch 22 situation.

The more guns people have, the more people are afraid of people with guns.

 

Snookums,

 

Never heard that prior. What and where does that come from?

 

kL

[Cracked]

More than a decade ago when I lived in Arizona people carried sidearms in public and it was perfectly legal. I think if I was a criminal then I wouldn't want to mess with someone who had a sidearm. I am not sure about now but then people could go through a course and get a concealed weapons permit fairly easy.

 

As for other people having double standards (I can do it but you can not) I think many people are just stereotyped as in if you own a weapon you have the potential to be just like the idiots the media sprawls all over the news.

 

Personally myself I see nothing wrong in owning guns as long as the people who own them are responsible with them. What I mean to say is that I was raised around guns and have much respect for them. You will not catch me pointing a gun at someone unless I intend to use it (like for self defense). So many kids I see today don't even know how to aim a weapon much less use it properly. That is where the stereotype comes in.

 

I'm not sure about Ohio but over here in CA things have been pretty ridiculous for a long time. If I was not bound here by my job I would be gone in a New York minute. The state of CA has been attacking peoples rights from so many different angles so fast that people don't know what to do about it plus the media seems to stir the pot up pretty good giving people a one sided view about things as they see it.

[snookums]

Dunno....

Catch 22 situation.

The more guns people have, the more people are afraid of people with guns.

 

Snookums,

 

Never heard that prior. What and where does that come from?

 

kL

 

 

Got me!

shows you how much attention some people pay to those signature thingies

 

I need I good spanking for not paying attention online...

 

will write it 49 more times later....

 

[Dakota]

I totally agree with the original post. Here in Michigan, everyone has a gun, I keep a rifle loaded in my bedroom. (We don't have any kids in our home, so now worries). I don't live in a bad neighboorhood, but I go to college in one, I have a permit to carry a pistol. I'm very small (5'4, 100 lbs) so i'm easy pickings for a 180 pound thug, that is until they have my 9 mil in their face, then they don't feel so tuff.

 

But I do feel that if you are going to own or carry a deadly weapon, then you should know how to use it! I take firearms safety classes all the time, just to keep my permit, and when I get pulled over, I immediately tell the police I have a loaded weapon in the car. I just feel if your gonna carry or own something that is deadly to a human being, you should be responsible enough to know what your doing (ie. don't threaten ppl for no reason, know how to clean it and handle it, take safety classes, etc)

 

I still ascribe to the old saying, "guns don't kill people, people kill people"

[Dave]

Politicians have zero, Z E R O, interest in your safety, nor give a damn about what you and yours need.....

From my point of view; every politician supporting gun CONTROL (not confiscation) has my safety in mind.

[neverclear5]

It isn't hipocrasy to be against unilateral arming of the populous and have a bodyguard!

 

I don't think everyone should be able to carry a gun because, for one, a lot of people are retards, and two, If I wanted a gun, sneaking up and bashing someone on the head with a stick (freely available) and taking their's is a lot easier than getting a dodgy one. That doesn't mean I wouldn't want one if I was, say, a soldier. Or want guns protecting me in any other situation where armed attack is likely.

Also whats this bollocks about needing a gun so you don't loose your wallet! You're willing to serverely risk your and the mugger's lives over the ten bucks in your pocket! I've heard of stingy but come on. If you have a gun, then everyone else needs one to protect them from you.

You are correct, Guns don't kill people, people kill people. That means disarm the people likely to kill, not arm everyone else!!

If you are in danger then fine, be armed, but don't do so without proper training. What needs to be examined is why america has such a high gun crime rate compared to the rest of the developed world when it doesn't have that many more guns than a lot of places.

[The Paineful Truth]

"Guns? I don't need no steeenking guns!" says (fill in name of limousine liberal here________________) as (s)he is escorted by armed guards onto the grounds of the gated and fortified plantation.

 

Suggested names to use:

Ed Asner

Alec Baldwin

Drew Barrymore

Kevin Bacon

Benjamin Bratt

Christy Brinkley

David Arquette

George Clooney

Kevin Costner

Sean Connery (WHAT?)

Billy Crystal

Danny DeVito

David Duchovny (apparently the truth isn't out there)

Michael Douglas

Carrie Fisher

Andy Garcia

Richard Gere

Ethan Hawke (WTF)

Anne Heche

Dustin Hoffman

Diane Keaton

Bette Midler

Mary Tyler Moore

Mike Myers

Rosie O'Donnel

Sarah Jessica Parker

Dennis Quaid

Rob Reiner

Julia Roberts

Tim Robbins

Meg Ryan

Susan Sarandon

Jerry Seinfeld

Sharon Stone

Meryl Streep

Sigourney Weaver

Oprah Winfrey

Catherine Zeta-Jones

 

(Partial list not including too many of the most obvious like Babs. Any one else notice most of these guys are gettin' long in the tooth. At least I didn't have to include Russell Crowe, Bruce Willis, Keira Knightley, Hugh Laurie, William Shatner, and, it goes without saying, Mel Gibson.)

[neverclear5]

Again, they need protection because nutjobs might try to kill them at anytime. You don't have to worry about a crazed fan making your skin into a curtain. Also, they have trained people with them who are armed. Everyone knows they are armed. They arn't some prick who like to get in fights, getting drunk in a bar with a .45 in his belt!

A gun is a tool. Useful when neccessary, dangerous when not, and disasterous when played with!

[Dave]

You are correct, Guns don't kill people, people kill people.

I've never bought into that argument.

[Wertbag]

From an international perspective (I live in New Zealand) the US does have a rep for having too many guns, too much crime and a very gung-ho feel (justified or not that is the impression the world media like to spread).

In NZ the only people to have guns are hunters and farmers (for pest control), most people on the street have never even held a gun. Even the majority of police do not carry guns. I would much rather live in a society with no guns, where martial art training is all that is required for self defence than in a place where people are so scared as to buy firearms to litter around their homes, carry on their belt with a spare stuck in the glove box just in case...

 

Bowling for columbine was interesting, I didn't agree with the conclusions and apparently the numbers could be out by several thousand (although whether its 11,000 people shot a year or 7,000, its still way above the 800-900 most other western countries report), but they did make the arguement for a percentage of the US population living in fear and the US media pushing that feeling cos it was dramatic and gained viewers, not necassarily because it has any basis in fact. Having talked to a couple of gun lovers there did seem to be an underlying fear of potential violence, what I can't tell is how justified this fear is?

 

The other suggested cause of US violence was the gap between poor and middle class. I believe the minimum wage in the US is one of the lowest in the western world (around $5 isn't it?), and of course people in the lower economic bracket have less to lose and more to gain by commiting crime. They have higher drug and alcohol problems, more gangs, less creative outlets/entertainment options, worse diets, can be driven to desperate measures and left feeling there is no support or help available. It was suggested in an article I read that raising the minimum wage would greatly help these people, and the flow on effect would be a reduction in crime.

It claimed there was a direct relationship between minimum wage and violent crime, I have no way to confirm the claim but it certainly does make you think of the possibilities...

[Warrior_of_god]

Guns don't kill people, people kill people.

Indeed. A person can kill with anything, a gun just makes it easier, its a tool and a weapon. I personally that CCP should be legal and that people should be allowed to have guns.

[Wertbag]

Guns don't kill people, people kill people.

Guns just allow 5 year olds to kill, allow people to kill at range and allow rapid killing of large numbers of people. Still not something society should want or need.

[Lycorth]

Guns just allow 5 year olds to kill, allow people to kill at range and allow rapid killing of large numbers of people. Still not something society should want or need.

 

But since we don't live in a utopia, CCPs ought to be universally legal.

[Dakota]

Some people may not agree with my "guns don't kill people, people kill people" stance, but IMO it makes sense. I have never heard of a gun magically pointing itself at a person and pulling the trigger with no one holding it, only when a person points a gun and pulls the trigger does someone potentially die.

 

I was raised with guns in the home, I knew how to handle them and how to shoot them at a young age. There were still kept in a locked gun safe at all times, but we did know they were there, and neither my brother, sister, or I ever "played" with them at any time.

 

I agree not every idiot should carry a gun, in my state, I had to take classes, tests, etc just to get the permit, and i have to take classes every couple of months in order to keep the permit. I don't have any "underlying fear" that makes me carry a gun, I am just aware that the possibility of physical harm is great in the area that I attend college. To me it is utterly retarded to blame a gun for a kid being shot while playing with it. If people are going to have guns in the same house as children they need to teach their children about gun safety, and still keep them locked away.

 

If not for the gun I carry with me, I may have been raped. A year ago at college while leaving my night class at 10pm a man jumped me and dragged me in between two buildings ( my campus is deserted at 10pm during summer classes). While he was ripping my pants off (after punching me in the face) I managed to get my gun out of my purse and aim it at him... long story short I held him there until campus security heard me screaming. If he had moved an inch I would not have hesitated to shoot him in the head. Maybe this makes me more biased when it comes to gun's, i don't know. All I know for sure is if I hadn't had that gun and known how to use it, at the very least I would be today a rape victim, if not dead.

[Lycorth]

Ugh - good thing you were ready for it, Dakota.

 

Good post - in an ideal world, people would not need to invent things like guns, but as we all know, utopias are only figments of the imagination.

[Dave]

Some people may not agree with my "guns don't kill people, people kill people" stance, but IMO it makes sense.....

Of course, believing it agrees with your position. Not believing it agrees with my position.

.....To me it is utterly retarded to blame a gun for a kid being shot while playing with it.

The problem with that is no one is blaming the gun. If that gun was not there, or had a lock on it that many gun owners protest against, or was locked up as many gun owners protest against, the kid would not have been able to play with it.

 

With your incident, you just got lucky. He could have taken it from you and killed you with it. I've read about that happening several times. I don't want guns confiscated, just controlled a bit more.

[Wertbag]

but as we all know, utopias are only figments of the imagination.

Theres a big difference between living in a safe society and living in a perfect utopia. I feel safe to walk the streets at night in NZ, knowing that even if I did have someone attempt to mug me the chances of them being armed with a gun are tiny. The worst you would likely face is a knife, in which case running will usually succeed in avoiding the situation.

Of course its not utopia, but no one around here feels the need to carry guns or to have guns in their homes. People can apply for gun licenses, but no one does so for security purposes.

 

I find it quite sad that your country is such a dangerous place that the need is there. It still begs the question why is the US this way?

[Lycorth]

I find it quite sad that your country is such a dangerous place that the need is there. It still begs the question why is the US this way?

 

Criminal activity, mainly, in my opinion. Bad guys get guns, then sell them to other bad guys who want them, under the radar of law enforcement. Then the bad guys and their guns end up on the streets, and you can fill in the rest.

 

Some places are safer than others. I'm moving to a place in the Midwestern US where murders are unheard of yet everyone has a closet full of guns in their homes. I'm leaving a place that counts its murder totals in the hundreds each year yet only cops and the aforementioned bad guys have guns.

 

Granted, there's a totally different culture and attitude in the areas I mentioned, but places in the US that have concealed carry laws or are otherwise easy on gun restrictions are generally safer than places with strict gun control.

 

And of course, the bad press makes the news more often. Murders make better copy than peaceful weekends.

[The Paineful Truth]

In 1982 Kennesaw Georgia passed a Mandatory Gun Ownership law. The head of each household is required to keep at least one firearm in the home, with just a few exceptions.

 

After 1982, Kennesaw Georgia saw a 74% drop in their crime rate. It's murder rate has plummeted to 0.19 per year, almost non-existant. Other crimes, like rape and robberies have decreased at a similar rate.

 

Crime goes up when gun control increases and vice versa. There's evidence for this everywhere, but you have to look for it because the kneejerk liberal media sure won't tell the story. "Give all those idiots guns, are you nuts!" No, guns aren't the only answer for crime, legalizing drugs with rehab and along with reduced gun control would make massive cuts in crime.

[Lycorth]

Crime goes up when gun control increases and vice versa. There's evidence for this everywhere, but you have to look for it because the kneejerk liberal media sure won't tell the story. "Give all those idiots guns, are you nuts!" No, guns aren't the only answer for crime, legalizing drugs with rehab and along with reduced gun control would make massive cuts in crime.

 

No argument there, whatsoever

[neverclear5]

basic question, would you rather be a mugging victim or a killer?

obviously dakota's story is exceptional and I'm very glad she was armed at the time. But surely it's better to prevent crime happening than arm yourself against it. Yes I'm glad the guy was stopped by you but I'd rather he hadn't attacked you in the first place. Wouldn't it be better to walk with a friend than walk with a gun?

[The Paineful Truth]

But surely it's better to prevent crime happening than arm yourself against it.

 

The only way to prevent crime it to lock everybody up, or to kill everyone--both of which would be crimes themselves of course.

 

Stop me if you've heard this one:

In a Florida Wal-Mart a jerk went nuts with a knife, had someone on the floor and was about to stab them when a bystander pulled a gun out of her purse and put it to his head.

The jerk relented.

Another hysterical bystander shouted, "I can't believe it. Did you see that? She had a gun in her purse!"

 

The police can't be everywhere, and the Supreme Court agreed that the police can't be everywhere, and can't prevent crime, only catch the perps. Only we can provide on the spot self-defense.

[Dakota]

basic question, would you rather be a mugging victim or a killer?

obviously dakota's story is exceptional and I'm very glad she was armed at the time. But surely it's better to prevent crime happening than arm yourself against it. Yes I'm glad the guy was stopped by you but I'd rather he hadn't attacked you in the first place. Wouldn't it be better to walk with a friend than walk with a gun?

 

 

Of course, I would rather that nutjob didn't jump me in the first place. I have a gun in my car and house all the time. I don't have children and no children visit me, so I don't worry about one of them getting ahold of the loaded gun in my home or my car. I don't carry a gun in my purse at all times...I think I mentioned before that my neighborhood is relativly safe (one murder in the last 10 years I believe) Its the college I go to that isn't safe. I can't afford a university so I go to a private college (which is basically one step nicer than a community). We have campus security and they carry guns, but they are practically useless. I found out later the only reason they came and checked out the "screams" (they called it that) was because some other student happened to have heard them and made them go look. The only reason I didn't shoot the guy as soon as I pulled the gun out was becuz he immediately got up and took several steps back when he noticed it, otherwise I would have just shot him to prevent him from taking the gun away from me.

 

Our campus has had 4 attempted rapes, one successful. The four attempted rapes were stopped because 2 women had guns, a third had pepper spray, and the fourth was just one strong bitch who fought the guy off.

 

It may possibly be the fact that I was born and raised in Michigan and we are known to be gun carrying hicks But to me, the government telling us when, how, and what kinds of guns we can personally own is not the answer...I don't presume to know the answer, but if the government and the police are the only people that have guns then it becomes a police state. That could be just my libertarian leanings.

 

The majority of people I've met that want strict gun control are sometimes afraid of guns, but most of the time have never really handled one or been taught how too. The gun control issue is like abortion, lots of opinions, good arguments either way, but is hard to solve.