Can't Even Go To The Park

[SilentLoner]

Can't Even Go to the Park

 

["Gay rights activists" you've had your say. Comments in this thread are now closed, but they will stand so people can decide for themselves who is tolerant and who is not.]

 

The same people who say I shouldn't impose my morality on them, are imposing immorality on me and my children to the point that I literally have a hard time even leaving my home anymore to do something as simple as visit the park. And this is freedom?

 

I am a Catholic stay-at-home mother of seven, and I live in the state of Massachusetts where "gay marriage" has been legal for seven years and it's just one aspect of the larger secular agenda. Because we have so many little children, it takes a phenomenal effort to go anywhere. We have only filled our truck with gasoline twice this entire summer vacation. We go to Mass and we go two miles up the road to a small outdoor swimming pool. That's pretty much it.

 

At the pool this summer there were homosexual couples with children and, while I was polite as my own young daughters doted on the baby with two "mommies", I also held my breath in anticipation of awkward questions - questions I'm not ready to answer. My young daughters are all under the age of eight and they are not old enough to understand why a baby would have two women calling themselves "mommies".

 

When there were two men relaxing at the side of the pool unnaturally close to each other, effeminately rubbing elbows and exchanging doe-eyes, I was again anxiously watching my children hoping they wouldn't ask questions. They don't see Daddy do that with anyone but Mommy. We haven't been back to the pool for a couple of weeks, except once but it rained. The truth is, now I don't really want to go back.

 

So what am I harping about?

 

Today we decided to go to the park. We live near a nice park that is safe, clean and quiet. Two of my daughters were in the sandbox, one on the slide, the other on the swings, and as I lifted the baby out of his stroller I looked up to see four women laughing at a baby boy as he was swinging in one of those bucket baby swings. That seems harmless enough, but I'm so sensitized to the strangeness in my community that I've developed this ever-present jumpiness whenever I'm in public. Sure enough, two of the women, so happy to see a baby boy laughing, embraced and remained standing there rubbing each other's back in a way that was clearly not just friendly affection.

 

This is my community. I find myself unable to even leave the house anymore without worrying about what in tarnation we are going to encounter. We are responsible citizens. We live by the rules, we pay our taxes, we take care of our things. I'm supposed to be able to influence what goes on in my community, and as a voter I do exercise that right. But I'm outnumbered. I can't even go to normal places without having to sit silently and tolerate immorality. We all know what would happen if I asked two men or two women to stop displaying, right in front of me and my children, that they live in sodomy.

 

So now I go on a rant.

 

http://www.acceptingabundance.com/2011/08/cant-even-go-to-park.html

 

Oh the horrors. A gay couple rubbing elbows affectionately and lebians out in the park with their baby.

[I Broke Free]

I viewed the link you posted to get the rest of her "rant."

 

That poor women, what torment my gay brothers and sisters are inflicting upon her.

 

It has always been my feeing that these religious nut cases are much more frightened by happy well adjusted gay couples than the those who fit their stereo type of miserable lonely drug addicted gay porn addicts. It does not permit them the opportunity to point them out to their children as a warning. If children actually see happy well adjusted gay couples it thwarts every lie they are trying to teach their kids. Scary stuff.

[boink666]

Will someone PLEASE think about the Children!!!

 

I agree with I Broke Free, it really scares these fundys because they are scared knowing that a well adjusted gay couple will tear to shreds the child's parent's views of the way the world should work. I frankly praise these brave couples for being out there anyone who has been there or have half a brain in their heads will realize that these couples go through a LOT of name calling and harassment due to who they fall in love with. This woman IMO should grow the hell up and learn that the world is a much bigger place. You either change with the times or you get left behind.

 

 

*true story*

Friend of mine:"Dude you know I'm gay right?" *pause for name calling he thought would come*

Me:"Hmmmmmm good for you, don't really care your still cool, now enough of this awkward moment and let's go get that food."

Him:"It REALLY doesn't bother you?"

Me:"Nope"

[Ro-bear]

My favorite part was at the end, where she complained that all this gay shit going on was taking away her freedom. Poor baby. I remember when I first realized I could not impose my desires upon the world at large. It sucks, don't it?

 

It's easy to explain the innocent behavior she is so baffled by. When my kids were little and they saw men holding hands or something and asked why, I just said I guess they like each other. Maybe they love each other. And if they said Can men do that, I'd say Of course, women can too. Some men like other men that way, and so do some women. It's not all that confusing, even for a little kid. My daughters are thirteen and Fifteen, and they are more likely to look askance at intolerance than normal homosexual behavior.

 

And liking gay people has not made them gay. It does not work that way.

[Thalia]

This woman has a martyr complex the size of Nebraska.

[hereticzero]

I can remember way back in the early 1960s when in elementary school someone had the audacity to let a black girl into my kindergarten class! I remember my baby sitter going into a rant sounding almost like the basket case in the OP. People just have to get used to having their bigoted way of thinking, sometimes this takes years. Segregation of any kind is wrong. Most of those complaining in the 60s about mingling of the races were 'good wholesome Christians.' There are always going to be people who cannot see past their worn-out beliefs.

[Kaiser01]

they may want to think their religion is the most peacefull and tolerant but christianity is constantly in a state of tyrany in difrent degrees with difrent ideas.

[chosendarkness]

I can remember way back in the early 1960s when in elementary school someone had the audacity to let a black girl into my kindergarten class! I remember my baby sitter going into a rant sounding almost like the basket case in the OP. People just have to get used to having their bigoted way of thinking, sometimes this takes years. Segregation of any kind is wrong. Most of those complaining in the 60s about mingling of the races were 'good wholesome Christians.' There are always going to be people who cannot see past their worn-out beliefs.

Have you ever thought that she might just be reacting to trauma from being a Catholic with all their pedophiles out there lurking, or even was abused by a Catholic or knows someone who was? I'm just saying cause she sounds paranoid, and why not? Her interpretation of the story doesn't sound like someone who's just gay-bashing.

[mwc]

This gal had best watch out because, before she knows it, she'll be leaving her hubby and getting in on some of that hot lesbo playground shoulder rubbing action. It's all part of that "gay agenda" we hear so much about. Baby jesus would not approve.

 

mwc

[JadedAtheist]

[R. S. Martin]

I read some of the comments. No matter how civil and respectful the gay readers' comments, she snarks back at them for invading a Catholic website. Yet she continues criping about not being able to visit (invade?) a public space without seeing nonCatholic behaviour that she labels immoral.

 

Another thing hits me. She begins by talking about the number of children she's got and how little they go away for vacation and travel. Then she launches into this tirade about the immorality of the world. It's as though she thinks she deserves a better world to live in because she and her husband only filled their truck with gas twice this summer, never go for vacation, and have a very large family.

 

I think Ro-Bear is right--she has major issues with being unable to control the world.

[AlphaToOmega]

Her solution should be to put the fear of hell and damnation into her children so much so that they will be afraid of everything in this world.

It seems to have worked for her.

[Godless Dave]

"You know how Daddy and I love each other? Sometimes two women or two men love each other like that."

 

Seems to me that an 8-year-old would understand that. Or a 4-year-old.

[VacuumFlux]

I can remember way back in the early 1960s when in elementary school someone had the audacity to let a black girl into my kindergarten class! I remember my baby sitter going into a rant sounding almost like the basket case in the OP. People just have to get used to having their bigoted way of thinking, sometimes this takes years. Segregation of any kind is wrong. Most of those complaining in the 60s about mingling of the races were 'good wholesome Christians.' There are always going to be people who cannot see past their worn-out beliefs.

Have you ever thought that she might just be reacting to trauma from being a Catholic with all their pedophiles out there lurking, or even was abused by a Catholic or knows someone who was? I'm just saying cause she sounds paranoid, and why not? Her interpretation of the story doesn't sound like someone who's just gay-bashing.

 

Bolding mine.

 

It does sound like normal gay bashing to me, same lines of argument I've heard before. Gays are dirty, sinful, dangerous people who should be ashamed of themselves. Openly gay people are "ramming their agenda" down other people's throats. How dare anyone interfere with my ability to shelter my kids from reality and only expose them to the information I want them to have! To the sorts of people who think that way, gays expressing physical affection in public is equally bad or worse than a naked hetero couple having noisy intercourse right next to the playground. Notice how her biggest complaint is that her kids would be curious and she'd have to not only give them the birds and bees talk, but admit that it happens outside the context of hetero marriage. It's specifically a feeling of disgust, of impurity, of filth. Gays are seen as shit, and being openly gay is like not picking up after your dog when your dog went all over the place and her kids can't walk across the playground without stepping in it.

[BrotherJosh]

What a fearful woman! It's interesting how these really conservative christards all limit themselves to such an extreme extent from "Teh World" that they end up cowering in abject fear of anything that doesn't fit their archaic belief system. I grow tired of hearing how Christians feel so persecuted, maligned and have their freedoms taken away when in fact they are the oppressive majority.

[freeasabird]

Maybe someone can help me understand, homosexuality exists in nature and we are now also reasonably sure genetics play a role in it. Why then when the Catholic church now accepts evolution do they not also accept homosexuality?

[Godless Dave]

Maybe someone can help me understand, homosexuality exists in nature and we are now also reasonably sure genetics play a role in it. Why then when the Catholic church now accepts evolution do they not also accept homosexuality?

 

1. Because they're selective about what science they accept.

 

2. Without closeted, shame-filled gay men, their recruiting pool for the priesthood goes way down.

[AlphaToOmega]

Maybe someone can help me understand, homosexuality exists in nature and we are now also reasonably sure genetics play a role in it. Why then when the Catholic church now accepts evolution do they not also accept homosexuality?

 

1. Because they're selective about what science they accept.

 

2. Without closeted, shame-filled gay men, their recruiting pool for the priesthood goes way down.

 

I have to disagree here Dave.

 

Homosexuality and pedophilia are two completely different issues.

 

 

 

[Thought2Much]

Godless Dave, I know you were probably just being sarcastic in your second point, but from what I've heard/read, the percentage of priests that are pedophiles isn't higher than what can be found in the average population (I would Google it, but I don't want to do that at work). However, the fact that the Catholic Church did its very best to cover up child abuse for decades is the real problem that should never be forgotten or ignored.

 

And the woman in the original post sounds like just about everyone I know in my Assemblies of God church. In other words, like a bigoted religious nutjob with a persecution complex.

[Godless Dave]

I'm not talking about pedophilia at all, I'm talking about homosexuality. The Catholic Church has long relied on closeted gay men for the priesthood. That's not connected to the child abuse committed by Catholic priests.

[AlphaToOmega]

I'm not talking about pedophilia at all, I'm talking about homosexuality. The Catholic Church has long relied on closeted gay men for the priesthood. That's not connected to the child abuse committed by Catholic priests.

 

 

I was just having a dig at the Churches inability to distinguish between the two.

 

 

[chosendarkness]

I'm not talking about pedophilia at all, I'm talking about homosexuality. The Catholic Church has long relied on closeted gay men for the priesthood. That's not connected to the child abuse committed by Catholic priests.

 

 

I was just having a dig at the Churches inability to distinguish between the two.

 

 

 

That's why I was saying her paranoia might come from that. If I was part of an organization that's known for having lots of pedophiles and had children, I'd be paranoid too. I'm not saying that justifies her, just that she's all fucked up because of her child-molesting religion.

[hereticzero]

I can remember way back in the early 1960s when in elementary school someone had the audacity to let a black girl into my kindergarten class! I remember my baby sitter going into a rant sounding almost like the basket case in the OP. People just have to get used to having their bigoted way of thinking, sometimes this takes years. Segregation of any kind is wrong. Most of those complaining in the 60s about mingling of the races were 'good wholesome Christians.' There are always going to be people who cannot see past their worn-out beliefs.

Have you ever thought that she might just be reacting to trauma from being a Catholic with all their pedophiles out there lurking, or even was abused by a Catholic or knows someone who was? I'm just saying cause she sounds paranoid, and why not? Her interpretation of the story doesn't sound like someone who's just gay-bashing.

To me, the lady sounds like the typical indignant bigoted Christian fundy, Catholic or Protestant.

[Overcame Faith]

It's funny how morality works. I think of her view and her religion as immoral. How can I protect my child from people like her since she is out in public so much??????

[Margee]

The homophobia never stops. I've been at the other end of this for a long, long, time. My wonderful son - 6 foot high, hunk of gay man, is what he is.

 

We have been through so much together. (he is now 22) We went to the mall tonight - Mama's treat of course - to buy him a few, going back to collage clothes. His wonderful boyfriend (together for 3 years) went with us. You can't get these two boys any 'gayer' than what they are.The stares from the people are so damn obvious. I have been quite used to this since he was a young boy. It's going to take anther century before this issue gets a lot smoother. Yes, it has come a long way. The kids aren't embarrassed to come out of the closet anymore. I'm so proud of my boy. He has been through so much since junior high.

 

Tonight, as the people continued to glance at these two wonderful boys in the lineups, I wanted to yell out:''Yeah, they are gay and and their mother is an atheist to boot!! I would love to watch all those people faint - but I'll contain myself for the boys sake! The world has come along way - but it's still very hard at this point in time, to have been born a homosexual. My son would tell you that.

 

Me? I adore the ground he walks on!