Canadian Government Collapses

[Asimov]

Merry fucking Christmas, jackass....

 

So Stephen Harper moves for a vote of no confidence (Star Wars I anyone??? haha) and now Parliament has been dissolved and we're shooting for an election in January. However...all indications show that this election will give us exactly what we have now; a minority government (the Liberals). I've listened to all the bullshit about how the Liberal Party is "corrupt" and "deceptive"....but what's interesting is that those accused of the deception and corruption ARE NOT EVEN IN POWER NOW. It's propaganda bullshit like this that is spouted by the Conservatives (who, by the way, only try to win votes by bashing the Liberals) that really makes me angry.

 

Paul Martin, when this shit came up about the scandal, agreed to have an inquiry into this whole thing and even agreed that we should have another election depending on the results. Well the results came up and poor Stephen Harper (who is an asshole, by the way) didn't have his election. Of course, AFTER this whole fiasco, the Liberals have steadily been gaining more support, although not enough to give them a majority.

 

So this whole thing is a big waste of time and money, and is pretty ironic since the Conservatives always blame the Liberals for wasting money.

[Bodhi-in-Training]

I completely agree with everything you've said Asimov. What a complete waste of fucking time and money to get the exact same result.

 

I know I'll be voting Liberal again. Stephen Harper is not fit to run this country...hell the man isn't fit to dress himself in the morning.

[Dark Helmet]

And can you believe the campaign will last TWO MONTHS because they don't want to hold the voting during the holidays! Jeez I'm not sure if I can take 8 weeks of bullshit 24/7 on tv. I think I'll give myself the gift of sweet unconsciousness... wake me up in 8 weeks.

[Amethyst]

I wish we could have no-confidence votes in the U.S. Would be a good way to get rid of Bush.

[Asimov]

However, I call the liberals the other devil, because they're not taking advantage of Bush's screw up, to solidify Canadianism, like we had about 5 years to solidify ourselves with world prestigue (ie. comming up with magical cures and wonderful technologies, ie the Ballard Power Cell in mass market), and other non Bush like stuff, to prove to the world we're not America's hat. or America Jr.

 

What the hell are you talking about?

 

there were no "Kennedy" like speeches by Paul Martin, just immms and ahhhs, and errrrrrs, typical of a limp dick leader..... like Cornedlius Fudge the imcompetent senile Magical leader from the Potter books. Like with Blair and Bush, although they're evil liars, at least they lie, and push do for evilness. Paul Martin's 2 year reign has don't nothing. I don't know what he's about, I don't know what he'll do. He reminds me of Koizumi or Chalibi or Karzai... in regards to actualy saying anything. IT's like Martin is mute.

 

So first you rant about how you want to solidify "Canadianism", and then you say how Paul Martin doesn't give Kennedyesque speeches? Make up your fucking mind! Paul Martins 2 year reign has been spent combating Stephen Harper and his jackass regime, wasting time looking into things that have no relevance now. What about legalization of Gay Marriages? What about the billions of dollars he's trying to throw in to help aboriginals? What about the Liberal Party in BC which has turned the country around AFTER the fucking NDP screwed everything up? BC's economy is booming now, there are jobs now, there's cashflow! Haven't done anything? Bullshit!

 

Where as Jack Layton, who I'm voting for, has lofty ideas, but at least he expresses, and he BELIEVES that he can! He's trying to be the little engine who could! He's the only of the four in the coalition government that actually does talk, of course he talks of a magical Canada (high tech Canada), that asserts herself in civilized manner trying to help world, in a Hugo Chavez way). If anything. I wish Hugo Chavez was Prime minster of Canada! Although Layton's ideas are light years ahead and likely can't be achieved, like a magical society of plenty, and equal rights for aborginals. and end of homelessness........, and an enviroworld.... like Europe! actually, wait. Those is very achievable, never mind.

 

Ganja, take your head out of your ass. The NDP says those things to GET VOTES. They make up stupid fairy tales of a "high-tech" Canada. Pipe-dreams, ganja, pipe-dreams. You need to stop smoking the ganja.

 

Laytons ideas aren't light-years ahead, what the hell are you talking about? He's an idealist, and idealists should never be in power.

 

I know the NDP has no chance in hell of winning a total election, but we are getting more and more votes, and BC looks very promising. I hope we can earn just a few more seats. Quebec is totally going BQ. I hope Green Party voters will vote for NDP, because NDP is very very envirofriendly.

 

BC voters waffle. The NDP fucked up their chances in BC. Envirofriendly is not the only thing we need to worry about. They are not ecofriendly, or progressive, or for individualism! They might as well be communists, considering their inherent support for unions and their ilk. If anything I would prefer a conservative like Ralph Klein over any NDP any day because at least Ralph Klein knows what he's doing ecologically. The NDP has no plan, no other party has any plan because they are too busy ragging on the Liberals for past faults.

 

the NDP: believes in an imaginary Star Trekian world, but does important littler things to make that fantasy a reality. or at least humanily tries. They're not immune to corruption like in BC, and Svend Stevenson (who I met at a college rally) did steal that ring!

 

What little things? They fuck up the economy, they are going to fuck up Canada.

[Asimov]

fuck your self

 

Oh, boohoo, gc.

[Pariah]

"who, by the way, only try to win votes by bashing the Liberals"

 

Well, to be fair they are the opposition so that is part of their job, right?

I would agree that they take it too far, though, to the point of ridiculousness. A few months I visited the parliament and the conservative MPs were smashing their desks and howling "Frauds! Theives! Liars" whenever any liberal MP tried to speak. They looked like a pack of monkeys.

 

I hope the conservatives don't get in power, they said if they did they'd nullify all same-sex marriages (although they might not actually follow through with that). On a superficial note, Stephen Harper just gives me the creeps. He has really dead looking eyes.

[Asimov]

"who, by the way, only try to win votes by bashing the Liberals"

 

Well, to be fair they are the opposition so that is part of their job, right?

I would agree that they take it too far, though, to the point of ridiculousness. A few months I visited the parliament and the conservative MPs were smashing their desks and howling "Frauds! Theives! Liars" whenever any liberal MP tried to speak. They looked like a pack of monkeys.

 

I hope the conservatives don't get in power, they said if they did they'd nullify all same-sex marriages (although they might not actually follow through with that). On a superficial note, Stephen Harper just gives me the creeps. He has really dead looking eyes.

 

 

The Conservative MP's are the worst! Russ Hiebert (the MP in my area) is a terrible leader and looks like Jason Gastrich.

 

They are the opposition, it's their JOB to try and provide a better system of doing things, not grab onto one irrelevant issue and hump it into submission.

[Prolix]

Canada is pretty cool, except for all the socialism, censorship and snow.

[Chad3232132]

Canada is pretty cool, except for all the socialism, censorship and snow.

 

Socialism sucks? Not really. We spend far more on healthcare per person here in the U.S. and what do we have to show for it? Lower life expectancy, higher infant mortality rate, etc. Hooray for corporate run healthcare!

 

And we do have plenty of censorship here in America too by the way. As well as plenty of snow in much of the country.

 

And just so you know we also don't pay much less in taxes than Canadians. We get taxed out the ass on everything from gas to sales taxes to liquor. It's just a myth than we Americans pay a lot lessi n taxes because our FEDERAL PAYROLL taxes are a lot less. When you factor in all the other taxes we pay the difference is marginal. Canadians only get taxed a wee bit more and have a lot more to show for it than we do.

[Asimov]

Like I said I go with facts, you just go with pointless accusations.......... of perhaps ohhh say a 14 year old ADD crack Ridlian head?

 

 

Pointless accusations?? Such as these?

 

unlike you, with your lifeless apathy about things....

 

Facts. It's all facts I use. you quote imaginary things.

 

You believe in lies and corruption, because you don't want a better Canada. you're a traitorous CAN'tnadian.

 

You just simply don't BELIEVE!

 

and even you my lifeless robot

 

you sound like an american with your anti socialist talk, go to America my friend. Get out of our socialist paradise.

 

Hmmm????

 

Dude, you really need to structure your paragraphs. It's tiresome work trying to wade through all your "inspiring" words that I can't get any actual coherent points out of what you're trying to say aside from telling me that I suck Paul Martins dick....

 

Where are your facts?

[Ro-bear]

Dang. I thought Canucks were laid back, eh?

 

My bad.

[Asimov]

why my facts come from news reports silly. your Liberals have made quite a mess my boy. Just look it up! I asume you can still do that can't you?

 

And of course you can't wade through my inspiring words. You are used to Paul Martin's mind numbing nothing speechs. lol. Well the Liberals are going to get their asses kicked in Alberta, the only Canadian province that ever matters anyways.

 

I have not once listened to anything Paul Martin has said, so once again there you go with more misrepresentations of what I am saying.

 

Do you even know what the NDP did in BC? Do you know how badly they screwed up?

 

 

Ah yes...a website that specializes in big bold words and irrelevant information....propaganda at it's greatest!

[Asimov]

everything I posted, comes from here. And the news sources. My friend your liberals are quiet the little dirty piggies arn't they?

 

Everything you posted, eh? Sounds like someone's guilty of getting their sources from an EXTREMELY biased website.

 

Where as Layton pushed and had to force your precious Paul Martin to make revisions to the buget. to spend our surplus back on the people, in something more useful than lass minute tax cuts. Think about this Asimov, if you can still do that. Why is it in two years, your Liberals havn't offered any huge tax cuts, untill lately. your party is full of garbage my friend. \

 

Because the Liberal Party needs to be revisioned a bit, it's still suffering from the pangs of Jean Chretiens former leadership.

 

about me being coherent. I'm just following basic grammar rules. Infact, they follow simple subject predicate protocols. Unfortunatly, I see you are not able to grasp them. Perhaps this deficency is a draw-back of your well loved Liberals and how they can't spend on their people.

 

What? I said you need to structure your paragraphs, I didn't say anything about your grammar. You need to work on your reading comprehension.

 

- Liberals spend billions of dollars on Aborginals, and allowed for same sex marriages.

 

I thought I said the Liberals plan to spend billions on the Aboriginals (waste of time, I think.)

 

Fact: The same sex marriage debate and bill proposal has been floating around Paraliment since 2000, in 5 years it has never been past. Untill now, when they decided to just get rid of it, during the summer extened paraliment.

 

Yes, and now look who's trying to overturn it? Half of Canada.

 

Fact: The United Nations has removed Canada as number 1. country in the human development index, for many reasons, one being our poor relationships with aborginals.

 

- Aborginal suicide rates for males have increased. (I was a social worker student. I did this for a research paper).

 

-What about news reports of aborginal communities that are falling apart, and have ecoli in their water? Is that part of your Liberal's billions?

 

So?

 

 

care to answer these questions?

 

You only asked one question.

[Asimov]

well the simple fact, as reported by the gomery report clearly shows Liberal corruption. I'm afraid.

 

Liberal corruption from Chretiens day, ganja.

 

As the representative of the Queen in Canada, the Governor-General performs all the functions of Canada's head of state.

 

Ahhh I see you want to pull a Daniel on me now do you? Run away and stick up whatever smilies up, and you just ignore my questions and comments. Are you sure you're an athiest because you are smart enough to think with a strong mind? can you at least humor me and TRY to read my bullshit posts, or are you too much of a sheep and go with the flow and just ignore things with your apathy?

 

What are you talking about? Where have I ignored your questions? Your comments are irrelevant. Where did I run away? I answered your questions, you didn't answer mine.

 

Do you know what the NDP did to British Columbia when they were in power?

but then. if you don't listen to Paul Martin, why are you voting for him?

 

I don't vote for him, I vote for the liberal party, he happens to be the leader of the Liberal Party.

 

You know, with that kind of a sheep like mentality, why not simply go back to church with the other sheeps, and leave us CANadians alone? better yet, if you hate Canada's social programs which Mr Layton is trying to improve, why not, just leave Canada like the rest of the brain drainers, and leave Canadian building to the real men with balls, namely me, because I'm inspired and you're not? and you feel you have to attack me because of my beleivs?

 

You can't have your cake and eat it too, ganja, if you wish to improve social programs, you take money away from development of technology. If you want to be progressive at the cost of a few useless social programs and unions, you're gonna have a technologically developed society. Look at Japan...the only reason they pulled ahead in the technology war before was because they weren't allowed to develop weapons or have an army.

 

The NDP has no fiscal responsibility, as SHOWN by what happened with BC. They dump money into social programs, which lowers the economy, which creates MORE homelessness and more unemployment! You CANNOT throw money away like that and expect everything to just "fall into place". After the NDP were voted out by a landslide, the Liberals rejuvinated the Economy. Now look at how much money BC has, we have fewer homeless people and fewer unemployed.

 

Canada haas the lowest unemployment rate in 10 YEARS. Our economy is doing WELL, ganja.

 

And yet you want to throw it all away into social programs that will DESTROY CANADA.

[Bodhi-in-Training]

Well...the way I see it...I only have 2 choices this election. Liberal or Conservative and quite frankly the idea of a Conservative government terrifies me...so as they say, I'll stick with the devil I know.

[nightflight]

And I though I was out of control........

[Asimov]

Where exactly do you stand Asimov? I want to hear what your ideal Canada would be? Ok sell your Liberals to me Asimov. Why do they deserve my vote? or why does Asimov think the Liberals are good?

 

there are my questions. Please answer them. no more attacking each other. I'm sorry if I called you a fuck face. I'm sorry dude. you're actually pretty cool. But just calling me stupid and shit, is rude. so I'm sorry for calling you "fuck yourself". Friends?

 

Sorry as well.

 

Ganjacat, listen to me....being from Alberta I wouldn't expect you to have any experience being under the NDP. Sure, Jack Layton as mayor can improve a few things...great, civic politics are not the same as provincial or federal politics. Civics focus on specific things, provincial and federal focus on the whole. The NDP think they focus on the whole, but they don't.

 

Yes, Jean Chretien is an asshole, I never liked him. Paul Martin is only marginally better, however we gotta stop looking at ONE person and look at what the party has done for the Country. Economically we have never been better. Our federal debt is lower, our unemployment rate is lower and we have more money.

 

Social programs do not help people. Only the individual can help themselves. Nobody can be equal...we can all have equal rights and equal opportunities, but we can never be equal. Social programs and unions try to equalize everyone and this sags the economic growth because wages are regulated and there is no incentive to do better (something you want, correct?) The NDP favours Unions, ganja...think about what would happen if they dumped money into the unions...economic collapse and now Canada sucks.

 

Social programs:

 

Yes they do help people, and while they may have the best intentions sometimes the results can be catastrophic. If you just help and help and help, nobody will do anything for themselves. A society that is completely altruistic will NEVER progress. If you want progress then you gotta fight, if you wanna fight then you have to let the losers lose and the winners win.

 

However....that doesn't mean we should eradicate all social programs. We do need them in moderation and they need to be well thought-out. Our healthcare system? Not very good because we don't have corporate health care to push things along. You want progress? Push for part healthcare and part corporate health care.

 

You want less unemployment? Then support Ralph Klein in your province, support the federal liberals. They've been helping the economy. The economy creates jobs, creates homes, and helps people with the drive to do better.

 

You want technological progress? Then you're going to have to realise that in order to progress, we need money. In order to get money we need an economy.

 

You want better aboriginal relations? Then there's something wrong with putting people on reserves...it's the reserves that kill aboriginals. I have aboriginal friends, they live fine and they don't live on reserves.

 

Liberally-minded people are by definition progressive, ganja.

 

Yes, Germany was taken out of the depression by Hitler in WWII...but they sacrificed a lot of people. United through blood and iron. Japan is a republic, they're not socialist.

 

And no, 100 million dollars lost in a sponsorship scandal is not as bad as what the NDP did in BC. And yes, the governor general is a cack and that title needs to be nullified....who needs a GG?

[nightflight]

You know, its all well and good to be proud of your country, But when you start openly ripping on the U.S., of which many members of this site are citizens of, well you can suck my ass.

[Asimov]

Ganja...you're caught up in the prejudiced opinions of the few, in regards to your opinions of the US. Have you ever lived there?

[Asimov]

no but we visited the States alot. It appears to be pretty high tech, visited my relatives in California. It looks very very clean actually. The have some very good civil engineering down there.

 

Yea, but until you live there, you don't see all the inherent flaws and problems at first glance.

 

CA has energy problems, economic problems, pollution, earthquakes, congestion etc.

 

I have a friend who goes to Yale...those universities are more prestigious than they have a right to be. Education is education, my friend. Community colleges have done a lot more good than high-class universities.

[Chad3232132]

Can someone please explain why the Conservatives in Canada let an effort which successfully brought about the downfall of Martin's current Liberal Party government? From what I've read on the blogs and political websites, it sounds like the Canadian parties that are even more left-leaning than the Liberals will benefit most from the Liberals downfall. So why would the right-wing party make a move that only bolsters the leftist parties? Maybe I'm reading into this wrong I dunno. Someone please fill me in, Canadian politics are something I'm not too familiar with.

 

I was wondering about that. Why to the elders retire there or Florida, if they know their hard saved up property will be weeeee away by a Huricane, or crushed to pieces in an Earth quake.

 

As a lifelong Florida resident, I know exactly why the elderly move here- because it's an all-around nice place to retire. While it can get a little hot in the summer, our weather during the other seasons is great. I have yet to wear anything more than a short-sleeve shirt and jeans this fall and winter! Our economy is also great in Florida, and taxes are among the lowest in any state. We don't even have a state income tax here.

 

Also, the severe weather (mostly hurricane) thing is overblown. I've lived in Daytona Beach (right on the Atlantic Ocean) for all of my 24 years and I've only been through 4 hurricanes (3 of which were in 2004!). Just like the shark attacks in recent years, people get the impression our cities get ravaged by hurricanes every year, which is not true. However with property prices and insurance rates soaring in much of Florida you may be right in that it could become a less attractive place for retirees to move to in the future.

[Amethyst]

But you guys always make fun of Canadians, calling us America Jr and I really hate that. you guys stole our 5 billion dollars in taxes. and push us around.

 

Not all of us. Heck, I respect Canada for legalizing gay marriage and not letting the religious right turn it into a theocracy, in all but official name.

[Chad3232132]

Quick question that may be a bit off topic. Does western Canada have a lot of fundies of something? Because I was looking at some Canadian political maps and noticed the more rural western provinces are almost entirely represented by Conservative Party representatives. Is there a lot of Christian fundies out there like we have in the midwest and south here in the U.S. or are western Canadians just conservative in comparison with the more urbanized east?

[Asimov]

Quick question that may be a bit off topic. Does western Canada have a lot of fundies of something? Because I was looking at some Canadian political maps and noticed the more rural western provinces are almost entirely represented by Conservative Party representatives. Is there a lot of Christian fundies out there like we have in the midwest and south here in the U.S. or are western Canadians just conservative in comparison with the more urbanized east?

 

 

Alberta should be called Mormania.

 

BC has its fair share of fundies.