Vixentrox Posted May 6, 2005 Share Posted May 6, 2005 Here is an interesting debate topic. Is it OK for a Xtian (or even non-Xtian) to pirate copies of Xtian music if the music is to be used to further Gods glory, to be given to the poor or what not? Anyone have an opinion without getting into the likelyhood that anyone would actually bother doing this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SOIL Posted May 6, 2005 Share Posted May 6, 2005 There may have been a few times when I have been guilty of this. I am ashamed of that sad fact though. -Dennis Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vixentrox Posted May 6, 2005 Author Share Posted May 6, 2005 Why do you feel bad? Isn't for God's glory? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrtruth Posted May 6, 2005 Share Posted May 6, 2005 Seems like breaking a commandment (thou shalt not steal) to further God's glory would be counterproductive.... On the other hand.... Jesus 'broke' jewish laws when he was hanging out (picking grain on the sabbath) so I guess the objective moral law isn't quite so objective.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cynical Realist Posted May 6, 2005 Share Posted May 6, 2005 In my latter days of christianity the whole selling Jesus thing really started to bug the shit out of me. I played a concert at Cornerstone festival and went off on a rant about all of the christian tshirts I kept seeing where companies would take a slogan (reeses, budweiser, etc...) and put a christian message to it. Not only is it lame but it's uncreative. Which is a long way to say that that's how the majority of music in the christian marketplace is, lame and uncreative. These people are basically stealing music and musical ideas from the "secular" market and releasing it in the family safe CCM market. So if you download a christian cd (and consider it stealing) you're basically stealing from someone who stole from someone and in my book two negatives make a positive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueGiant Posted May 6, 2005 Share Posted May 6, 2005 Well, depends, are the recording studios that put the dreck out members of the RIAA. If that is the case, then I say screw them, go to the live shows of acts you like (they get more of the cash for that anyway) and screw those who can only profit by piggybacking and leeching off of someone with talent. /rant I am pretty sure that according to the early church fathers, that it would be okay to pirate, as long it was for Gawd. And I've been around Shadowrun waaay too much lately... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SOIL Posted May 6, 2005 Share Posted May 6, 2005 Why do you feel bad? Isn't for God's glory? <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Viventrox, The reason I started looking for a different job (when I was working as a computer programmer for OREA (big tele-evangelist type of TV ministry) - was because I didn't feel like the end justifies the means - and/or - I am not supposed to try to do God's work in a way that is contradictory from His teachings. (see Romans 13:7-8) The people who have chosen to feed their families by making that music (and selling it) deserve to receive income (if they want to give some of their music away, they can - and some do - use their website to accomplish that, for instance I think there is usually at least one "free song" available at the Apologetix website. -Dennis Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cynical Realist Posted May 6, 2005 Share Posted May 6, 2005 OH MY GOD! If you're talking about Apologetix then there's no problem stealing songs from these thieves. This is exactly what I was talking about in my post above. Lame ass christians who have no original thoughts in their heads so they STEAL other peoples music and put some christian message to it. Ass wipes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SOIL Posted May 6, 2005 Share Posted May 6, 2005 I just went over to the apologetix website - I think a person may need to sign-up (at least temporarily) to their email "fan club" in order to download songs (no charge though) - but if one does that then I think I counted 24 songs which may be downloaded (when clicking on the "more free MP3s" link) from the home page. I realize the kind of "parody" stuff they do is not as creative as writing one's own music from scratch - but I still get a kick out of hearing some of their lyrics set to the same type of music. I have spent some time talking with these guys and they are very good musicians and just all around fun folks. They need to pull in specialist "guest" musicians every now and then - but on most of their many, many parodies, just the four of them do all the music, so in concert, they can only do the songs for which they have the correct folks present. Here is the list of free parodies available to folks who have given them their email address : Here's our top requested MP3's. There are more on each album's page: Look Yourself Parody of Lose Yourself by Eminem from Adam Up Lyrics | MP3 Lazy Brain Parody of Crazy Train by Ozzy Osbourne from Adam Up Lyrics | MP3 Yes Today Parody of Yesterday by the Beatles from Apol-acoustiX Lyrics | MP3 Kick in the Wall Pt. 2 Parody of Another Brick in the Wall Pt. 2 by Pink Floyd from Biblical Graffiti Lyrics | MP3 Crazy Little King God Loves Parody of Crazy Little Thing Called Love by Queen from Biblical Graffiti Lyrics | MP3 Corinthians Parody of In the End by Linkin Park from Grace Period Lyrics | MP3 Smooth Grandmama Parody of Smooth Criminal by Alien Ant Farm, Michael Jackson from Grace Period Lyrics | MP3 The Devil Went Down to Jordan Parody of The Devil Went Down to Georgia by Charlie Daniels from Grace Period Lyrics | MP3 Baa! We're Lambs Parody of Barbara Ann by Beach Boys from Grace Period Lyrics | MP3 Walk His Way Parody of Walk This Way by Aerosmith from Jesus Christ Morningstar Lyrics | MP3 Story of a Squirrel Parody of Absolutely (Story of a Girl) by Nine Days from Keep the Change Lyrics | MP3 Bethlehemian Rhapsody Parody of Bohemian Rhapsody by Queen from Keep the Change Lyrics | MP3 The Real Sin Savior Parody of The Real Slim Shady by Eminem from Keep the Change Lyrics | MP3 All the Stalls Stink Parody of All the Small Things by Blink 182 from Keep the Change Lyrics | MP3 Are You Gonna Be Ike's Girl Parody of Are You Gonna Be My Girl by Jet from New and Used Hits Lyrics | MP3 JC's Mom Parody of Stacy's Mom by Fountains of Wayne from New and Used Hits Lyrics | MP3 Micah No. 5 Parody of Mambo No. 5 by Lou Bega from New and Used Hits Lyrics | MP3 Santa Claus Parody of Panama by Van Halen from New and Used Hits Lyrics | MP3 Story of a Squirrel Parody of Absolutely (Story of a Girl) by Nine Days from New and Used Hits Lyrics | MP3 Bad Dude Risin' Parody of Bad Moon Risin' by CCR from Radical History Tour Lyrics | MP3 La Bible Parody of La Bamba by Ritchie Valens from Spoofernatural Lyrics | MP3 Choirboy Parody of Cowboy by Kid Rock from Spoofernatural Lyrics | MP3 Genny 22 Parody of 867-5309/Jenny by Tommy Tutone from Spoofernatural Lyrics | MP3 People Parody of Pepper by Buttonhole Surfers from Ticked (Rolling Clone) Lyrics | MP3 -Dennis Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SOIL Posted May 6, 2005 Share Posted May 6, 2005 OH MY GOD! If you're talking about Apologetix then there's no problem stealing songs from these thieves. This is exactly what I was talking about in my post above. Lame ass christians who have no original thoughts in their heads so they STEAL other peoples music and put some christian message to it. Ass wipes. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> CR, I don't see a problem with what they are doing - (the courts dont have a problem either) - I suppose (like weird Al), in a way one might say they are providing free publicity to the original artists. The songs they usually do their parodies on - are normally very, very popular already - so I don't really think they are taking any money out of the original author's pockets! Some folks (like myself) like the style of music (ranging from Ozzie's stuff - to CCR, etc...) and would rather have different words firing in our brains while the music runs it's course. -Dennis Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SOIL Posted May 6, 2005 Share Posted May 6, 2005 CR, Why don't you give 'em an email address (I suppose you can always unscribe after receiving the first email) - then go download at least a couple of those songs, like "Smooth Grandmama", "Look Yourself", or "Lazy Brain". If you can sit through the whole "Smooth Grandmama" (cranked up - so you can understand the new words) - and not get a smile on your face - then I think maybe you are too sour for your own good! -Dennis Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caretaker Posted May 6, 2005 Share Posted May 6, 2005 Awe, you mean they haven't parodied Elton John yet? Is there no justice in this world? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Asimov Posted May 6, 2005 Share Posted May 6, 2005 I just went over to the apologetix website - I think a person may need to sign-up (at least temporarily) to their email "fan club" in order to download songs (no charge though) - but if one does that then I think I counted 24 songs which may be downloaded (when clicking on the "more free MP3s" link) from the home page. I realize the kind of "parody" stuff they do is not as creative as writing one's own music from scratch - but I still get a kick out of hearing some of their lyrics set to the same type of music. I have spent some time talking with these guys and they are very good musicians and just all around fun folks. They need to pull in specialist "guest" musicians every now and then - but on most of their many, many parodies, just the four of them do all the music, so in concert, they can only do the songs for which they have the correct folks present. Here is the list of free parodies available to folks who have given them their email address : -Dennis Good Gravy.....I have two words for the poor children raised on that crap: HELD BACK. REPEATING THE THIRD GRADE. I GUESS THIS IS MORE THAN TWO WORDS. THE PAPER, PLEASE TAKE US HOME. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SOIL Posted May 7, 2005 Share Posted May 7, 2005 It would make me happier, if one of you whiners (concerning the Apologetix guys), would actually listen to the "Smooth Grandmama" song (and maybe "Choirboy" also) - prior to the point when you post your next words about them. Now, I realize your purpose in life (i.e. to provide a sense of "meaning" to your existence) may not be primarily wrapped around helping to Dennis (SOIL) become "happier". But hey, who knows?, maybe you may have some time on your hands at some point, and as long as you are willing to risk (e.g. by setting up a new email address and "loaning" it to temporarily to the folks who run the Apologetix web site), I think it would cost you only the time (and ISP resources) to download a couple of songs - then perhaps slip some headphones over your ears, crank up the volume, and listen during the few minutes consumed by each song. I realize it is very strange for a self-proclaiming Christian to come to an ex-christian web site and expect any of the locals to go out of their way, simply to try to make his life happier! (one can always dream) -Dennis Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vixentrox Posted May 7, 2005 Author Share Posted May 7, 2005 Sounds to me like they do the same thing that Wierd Al does? Just guessing here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SOIL Posted May 7, 2005 Share Posted May 7, 2005 Sounds to me like they do the same thing that Wierd Al does? Just guessing here.<{POST_SNAPBACK}> Exactly. However, perhaps the motivation to do the parodies may be a bit different in some respects. (Determining the motivation behind anyone's acts is a difficult proposition - heck, e.g., I even have a hard time understanding what motivates me to hang around this place!). I suspect though, (especially regarding - J. - the tall blond guy who writes the lyrics and sings most the vocals), they enjoy the music, but would prefer (like myself) to have different words in their brains accompanying those addictive tunes as they spin over and over again. So .... I reckon J. just thinks up some new words (which he deems more suitable to allow to "fire off" in his brain) and then they all enjoy the kick of playing (imitating) the same basic music, and eventually "PrestO, ChangeOh" - their brains have different words firing off whenever those addictive tunes come back to travel again through their well worn brain groves. At least that is what happens to me when I listen to their music. In my case though (since I have lived such a sheltered life) - sometimes the first time I have really listened to some of the the songs - is the parody version - so in those cases I don't need to replace any words already associated with existing musical brain groves. So sometimes (for me anyway) J.'s new words are (from the start) associated in my brain's comparable musical groves. (Groovy man, Groovy!) -Dennis Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SOIL Posted May 7, 2005 Share Posted May 7, 2005 Awe, you mean they haven't parodied Elton John yet? Is there no justice in this world? <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Khan, (pst ... good news!) There is justice! I'm not sure if you can access the place on the website where it shows all of the songs that are on each of their (publicly available) albums/projects (without having the appropriate stuff in your cookie - which I assume must be put there when one provides an email address) -- However, I (who have provided an email address) just went to the home page, and clicked on "More free MP3s", then on the next page, under the heading: 'Discography', I clicked on the CD cover image sporting four coins (the Keep the Change project), and low and behold (catch your breath here, because you are going to need it!) : Under the left column - in the slot showing the 9th song (of the 19 on that CD) - get this: here is the song which was parodied: 9. Daniel Parody of "Daniel" by Elton John Lyrics ..... WHOA!!! DUDE, .... (now you can resume breathing normally again ... exhale, inhale, ... exhale ... were back to reality now) -Dennis Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vixentrox Posted May 7, 2005 Author Share Posted May 7, 2005 If thats all they are doing, I don't really see why they should be slammed for it. Lots of people do parodies. Granted, original stuff takes more talent, but popular non-Xtian music is replete with parodies, remakes and sampling of other songs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SOIL Posted May 7, 2005 Share Posted May 7, 2005 If thats all they are doing, I don't really see why they should be slammed for it. Lots of people do parodies. Granted, original stuff takes more talent, but popular non-Xtian music is replete with parodies, remakes and sampling of other songs. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> There's no way I would even think of trying to improve on that! Thanks Viventrox! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Totallyatpeace Posted May 7, 2005 Share Posted May 7, 2005 Here is an interesting debate topic. Is it OK for a Xtian (or even non-Xtian) to pirate copies of Xtian music if the music is to be used to further Gods glory, to be given to the poor or what not? Anyone have an opinion without getting into the likelyhood that anyone would actually bother doing this? <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Absolutely not. Cheating someone's creative talent and livelyhood for what one thinks will contribute to the glory of God or the betterment of others........ is really nothing more than a crime. Thou shall not steal. Right? No matter what it is you are stealing. TAP Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vixentrox Posted May 7, 2005 Author Share Posted May 7, 2005 If it's not OK to pirate the software...what laws is it acceptable for Xtians to break to further the glory of god or spread the word? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Totallyatpeace Posted May 7, 2005 Share Posted May 7, 2005 If it's not OK to pirate the software...what laws is it acceptable for Xtians to break to further the glory of god or spread the word? <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Not one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vixentrox Posted May 7, 2005 Author Share Posted May 7, 2005 Even in say, North Korea? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Totallyatpeace Posted May 7, 2005 Share Posted May 7, 2005 Okay, Vixentrox...............talk to me. What are you getting at? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vixentrox Posted May 7, 2005 Author Share Posted May 7, 2005 Just wondering where the line is between obeying man's laws and spreading the word. What is acceptable? As you know, Xtianity has killed, tortured, subverted governments, ect to further the spread of their religion. I was also wondering if people thought it ethical for Xtians to charge other Xtians for the priviladge of fellowship in worship. For example, Xtian's charging other Xtians for the pleasure of listening to hymns of praise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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