Porn: Myth Truths And Theories

[KT45]

Basically being raised in church I only get a biblical view on porn. Most religious sites give baised opinions about it and say it's bad and of the devil and blah blah blah. I'm curious about the nonchristian view on it. I'm guessing most would support it but what about the side affects most christians stress over like marriage break ups and other stuff. I want to study the affects of pornography on people (mostly men) and see what men and women think about it. This is not a biblical discussion but more of a personal expierence and ethical discussion. Here are certian topics I'd like to cover.

 

Myth or Fact (post your own opinion about each and say if there is truth to the myth or not)

 

1. Porn helps in assisting the breakup of marriages?

I think from what many women post in different sites I've been to that the answer is yes. I'd like to here men's and women's point of view on this one

 

2. Porn changes men's standards of what sex should be like (fantasies) and how women should look like?

I think that this one is false when concerning standards for women. Men don't get higher expectations on what they want their women to look like when concerning porn. If so people would have the same affect by simply watching television where beautiful women are everywhere. As far as stardards for sex and what stimulates them I would say yes. A man whose never seen a blow job before and then watches porn is going to want to have it done to him. But this in a since is an increase in knowledge and to me not negative. Some might say though "But now the man won't be with me and spends most of his time with porn". I'll talk about this in #3.

 

3. Men get addicted to porn?

I say no and yes. An addiction is a physical dependence on something and men don't get that but they can get a psychological one. I have no study in this and this is only theroy by my guess is that over time a man's body will start only getting stimulated by electronic images of sex. Since his body relates the electronic image it sees to quick sexual gratification it will start to become more dependent on the electronic image for arousal. To me it's not the women on the screen and how nice there bodies are that leads men away from wanting to be with there spouse but the image itself. This might be why many men want to film sex with there partners. Thoughts?

 

4. Most women Don't like porn?

My expierence is that it is always a horrible idea to even attempt to talk from a women's perspective so I won't. But from most studies I've seen it seems that a majority of women don't like porn. But some do enjoy erotica (artistic depiction of sex). Those that like porn usually only like it cause there boyfriend does.

 

5. Porn increases crime rate?

False. While watching porn does increase sexual arousal and sexual aggression it doesn't lead to rape. In fact it serves as more of an outlet to lower crime since it releases sexual aggression. In Japan where they constantly show sexual images in there shows and even children's cartoons they have very little crime rate. Also in that country a lot of their porn focuses on plenty of fetishes including bondange and rape but the amount of rape related crime doesn't go up. I can provide links to sources if asked.

 

6. Most women in porn were abused?

True. But I'm not sure that by joining porn that they are doing something that hurts them or they are doing something that impowers them.

 

7. Porn becomes a subsitute for sex?

look at #3

 

8. Porn has a high chance of leading to a decrease in sexual performance

I'm leaning a little toward yes. Since most try to get quick orgasmic release then your body becomes accustomed to it and the quick release might happen in the bedroom as well. If the partner usually only gets stimulated by porn then that of course leads to a decrease in sexual performance. But in some cases it can increase sexual performance as well.

 

9. Marriages that end because of Porn are because the couples are from strict religious backgrounds? I have absolutely no idea. I'd have to look at non christian cultures and the affects porn has had on there marriage

 

Other questions to ask

 

Why do some people become addicted to porn and others don't? What separates the person who just watches it causually to those who stay up all night watching it? What actually cause the addicition?

 

(My quick theory: Men are told to wait to have sex. Most don't follow this rule and have sex anyway. These men may watch porn on occasion but usually won't be addicted to it since they've had the real thing and have confidence they can get sex. The others try to follow the rule or are just not that successful with women. In order to help with their process they watch porn either by accident or just to get them by. Over time they become dependent on this media since there bodies will become accustomed to the quick gratification. When they do get a women over time two things might happen. They either find a medium and sustain a good relationship with the women while still being able to watch or abstain from porn. The other and more likely thing to happen is that there bodies realize that the women won't provide as quick of a gratification as porn does so they lose arousal for the woman and start watching porn.) what are your theories and do you think I'm in the ballpark with mine?

 

Are there positives to pornography? What about the negatives?

 

Is porn here to stay? How should society personally deal with it in your opinion? What porn is okay to watch so you won't develop a dependancy on it?

 

My personally opinion is that before people watch any material is that they know the consquences and reprocussion of watching it. So you should be able to watch anything you want as long as you know what your getting into.

 

BE SURE TO POST YOUR OWN THEORIES OR MYTHS AS WELL!!!!!

[Ouroboros]

1. Porn helps in assisting the breakup of marriages?

I think from what many women post in different sites I've been to that the answer is yes. I'd like to here men's and women's point of view on this one

No, I don't think so. Why would it? My wife and I watch porn during intercourse some times (very personal info here), so how does it break up our marriage? You're falling into the trap of absolutes again. Be careful. Things are not black-and-white in the world.

 

2. Porn changes men's standards of what sex should be like (fantasies) and how women should look like?

This I think actually have some truth to it.

 

3. Men get addicted to porn?

Some, not all. And we have to look at why some get "addicted" to it. Is it because it is a drug, or is it because the mind-body have the need? Can someone get addicted to driving car? Or climbing mountains? Or paraschuting? Oh yes, they can. It's about those chemicals in the body that gives a high. But not everyone drives fast on the freeway, or do mountain climbing or paraschuting.

 

To me it's not the women on the screen and how nice there bodies are that leads men away from wanting to be with there spouse but the image itself. This might be why many men want to film sex with there partners. Thoughts?

I think it is reversed. There are studies showing that men are visual, even before seing the first naked woman on TV, computer or paper. We are visual. We get aroused from what we see. That is a medical fact. Now, can we change our biological construct? Don't think so. Porn just brings that out more.

 

4. Most women Don't like porn?

My expierence is that it is always a horrible idea to even attempt to talk from a women's perspective so I won't. But from most studies I've seen it seems that a majority of women don't like porn. But some do enjoy erotica (artistic depiction of sex). Those that like porn usually only like it cause there boyfriend does.

I think I remember a study that showed that a large amount of women do like porn too. Not as many as guys, but not as few as we used to think. Just don't remember where I read it...

 

5. Porn increases crime rate?

Depends on which part of porn we're talking. On the consumer side, no, I agree with you there. But on the producer side, it wouldn't surprise me there's a lot of crime.

 

6. Most women in porn were abused?

True. But I'm not sure that by joining porn that they are doing something that hurts them or they are doing something that impowers them.

I'm not sure about that. For many women in the porn industry it is a choice they made. There are success stories about women that starts their own porn site, and it grows and they are the producers and the actors. Are they abusing themselves?

 

I might continue later with more of my personal opinions.

[kellyb]

Interesting discussion.

I don't have anything to contribute as I'm still trying to work it all out in my mind, myself.

[jasonwhatever]

I'm a gay male. Was born again at 19, didn't have so much as oral sex until I was almost 25. What do you think that I did between those years? You guessed it. I watched porn. Those are the years when your hormones are raging out of control. At the same time, you are trying to "walk in the spirit" that you may not "fulfill the lusts of the flesh." Because if you do so much as "look at a woman (or in my case a man) to lust after her, you have already committed fornication with her in your heart." It's a lose-lose situation. java script:emoticon(' ',%20'smid_18')

 

I was robbed of my childhood by an evil stepfather. And I was robbed of my youth (most of it) by the "loving God." It's not a burden I ever chose to bear, but according to Scripture, once you receive God, there's no going back. "Either make the tree good and its fruit good, or make the tree corrupt and its fruit corrupt." But, then again, look at some of the examples of things that God made his prophets do so that He could make a point to Israel (a point that went unheeded anyway). He made one prophet lie on the ground stripped for many days, laying on his own feces. When the prophet complained to God about having to lie on his own feces, God out of his kindness, allowed the prophet to substitute human feces for cow feces. Mercy me. So, I guess it is to be expected.

 

God slew another prophet's wife so He could make a point again to the Israelites.

 

Back to your questions.

 

I think that some women like porn, but in general they don't like it as much as men. And not as large a percentage like porn as do men.

 

I have no idea whether or not porn breaks up marriages.

 

I think that porn can contribute to a man expecting his wife to look better. The women in porn are selectively ( at least in theory) chosen based on looks. Thus, as a general rule, they are above average to well above average in the looks department.

 

 

 

 

 

...continuing...

 

Most women in porn were abused? I think that's very true. I have heard that many women in porn were raped as children. The same is often true of gay men in porn.....they were often either sexually abused or mentally abused as children.

 

Porn becomes addictive? Yes, in many cases. I was kind of addicted before. But, I was like 19, 20, 21. Despite my strict Christianity, that is still something I did. I told myself "well, if I don't watch it, I'm going to be thinking it....same difference."

 

Leads to breakup of marriages? I don't know.

[KT45]

2. Porn changes men's standards of what sex should be like (fantasies) and how women should look like?

 

I think that porn can contribute to a man expecting his wife to look better. The women in porn are selectively ( at least in theory) chosen based on looks. Thus, as a general rule, they are above average to well above average in the looks department.

Because of your sexual orientation can you reanswer this one. Basically have your expectations of how men should look like or how a man should preform changed because of porn.

 

As far as judging how women look in porn they are usually vary and are made to fit different peoples taste. Some have big women, little women, older women, black, white, hispanic, out of shape, in shape etc. Yes some of the bigger names are usually above average but most I've seen are average. I've become more accepting of womens bodies. I believe normal television distorts peoples realities of women (music video, movie stars, etc) more than porn does.

[white_raven23]

1. Porn helps in assisting the breakup of marriages?

 

No. Oh sure...it has been used as the excuse for why a marriage may be on the rocks...... but it's mostly a means of socially demonizing your partner to other people. Thus making one partner 'good' and the other 'bad' where in truth it takes two to come together....and two to split it up.

2. Porn changes men's standards of what sex should be like (fantasies) and how women should look like?

The only place I ever hear of anything like this is among virgin teen males. It's the blab of ignorance. If a grown man talks like this..... he may well be a virgin still (it happens), or he is bitter about 'not getting any', and his attitude will ensure he never does. Most men who have learned not to be cave-dwelling troglodytes (most of them really.....ignore the rabid feminist), are pretty happy when someone wants to have sex with them. They can be totally fascinated by your breasts...regardless of their size....just the fact that you are letting them see, and touch is what is arousing. Men who limit their preferences are only punishing themselves in the long run.

 

3. Men get addicted to porn?

 

People can become addicted to anything. You specify men, but that is actually sexist and unfair (are you a guy? If so, this would be like reverse sexism in your case). Too much of any one thing can hurt you. People get addicted to food, to sex, to cleaning.......you name it, someone has developed an addiction for it. It is the addictive behavior that needs help....not the subject of their addiction.

4. Most women Don't like porn?

I'm a woman, and I definitely like porn! But the porn market really doesn't have a whole lot geared for me, so I wind up being rather picky about the porn (this is the real reason you find women liking Erotica btw). Ever watch a porn? They still tend to pair an absolute body goddess up with something that just crawled out of a swamp just because it has a good sized manhood (being nice, don't want to set your ears ablaze Taylork45).

5. Porn increases crime rate?

Nope. As you yourself said, in other countries where porn is widely accessible, it has no effect on the crime rate. This is an association that Puritanical minded folk want to encourage though. Someone on here said it very well once: What is the definition of fundementalism? The fear that someone.....somewhere....is having a good time!

6. Most women in porn were abused?

Not according to the interviews I've seen.

7. Porn becomes a subsitute for sex?

Only for someone with serious performance anxiety. Porn becomes "safe" because there are no expectations coming from the screen. This person needs help. Not with the porn, but with the real problem.

8. Porn has a high chance of leading to a decrease in sexual performance

I think in a home where porn is shared and accepted for what it is......that couple is going to be having mind-boggling amounts of happy sex! If one partners liking for porn is degraded and insulted by the other partner? Likely there will be problems...but again, not directly because of the porn, but with poor communication and lack of shared respect (though the porn would likely get the blame....see my answer to 1)

9. Marriages that end because of Porn are because the couples are from strict religious backgrounds?

Oddly, I don't think religion is really in on this one.....except as an excuse. Marriages that end, don't end because of porn. Read between the lines on testimonies from women that make that claim. There is more going on there. See my answer to 1 again. Although I will say a religion will play a part in one partner demonizing the other to justify divorce....and I have seen direct proof of that!

Why do some people become addicted to porn and others don't? What separates the person who just watches it causually to those who stay up all night watching it? What actually cause the addicition?

 

Again.....addiction is a behavior that not everyone shares. There are people who can do hard drugs, and not develop an addiction. And there are others who cannot just eat one cupcake if there's a platefull in front of them.

[Saviourmachine]

Hi Taylor,

 

1. I'm not married. However, I'll ask my girl-friend soon if she has a problem with porn. If so, I think it will because she would think that she can't satisfy me. I don't want her to think that. I just have a large sex drive. I want her for lunch, not as just a snack. I'm gonna ask to watch porn together. She will probably complain about abused women. So I need some women friendly material. Any suggestions ladies?

 

2. My standards are pretty high in real life. With porn it does matter a little bit less for me. And, I always liked sized titties.

 

3. Addiction to porn. Let I reformulate this. IMHO I'm addicted to sex.

[Guest JP]

This is off-topic, but Saviourmachine, you. are. hot.

[chefranden]

 

1. Porn helps in assisting the breakup of marriages?

 

Perhaps. It also assists in maintaining marriage when the male's libido is lager than the female's. Jerking off is better than unfaithfulness.

 

2. Porn changes men's standards of what sex should be like (fantasies) and how women should look like?

 

I have the feeling that porn changes what women think they should look like. By the way I find most commercials to be nothing more than softcore porn.

 

3. Men get addicted to porn?

 

Men get addicted to breathing too. If you can get them to give up breathing addiction to porn will soon follow.

 

4. Most women Don't like porn?

Most porn is directed at men, except for commercials.

 

5. Porn increases crime rate?

 

US culture is based on crime. What ever we do will be accompanied by crime.

 

6. Most women in porn were abused?

I think most women have been abused.

 

7. Porn becomes a subsitute for sex?

 

Perhaps, but not as often as is necessary to decrease the population.

 

8. Porn has a high chance of leading to a decrease in sexual performance.

Don't know. Not for me.

 

9. Marriages that end because of Porn are because the couples are from strict religious backgrounds?

 

Sounds like a decent hypothosis

[Ouroboros]

Chef, you gave me an idea!

 

If we want to decrease the population on earth, maybe free hardcore porn for all men is the answer? Something to think about...

[Lycorth]

1. Porn helps in assisting the breakup of marriages?

 

Only when two people can't agree on something. Porn may have been the catalyst, but it's more like incompatibility is the real issue. Porn isn't a magic curse that ruins relationships - many married couples love their porn.

 

2. Porn changes men's standards of what sex should be like (fantasies) and how women should look like?

 

Wrong. There are so many kinds of sex in porn and so many kinds of male and female body types that there is no one set standard. If anything, porn gave me reasons to expect variety and diversity in women and in sex.

 

3. Men get addicted to porn?

 

Of course. Men get addicted to all sorts of things. Drugs, games, sex, booze, money - anything that can be enjoyed can be addictive. Porn is not uniqie in this in the slightest. Besides, humans are naturally sexual creatures, so it should be no surprise to anyone that they enjoy things with a sexual theme

 

4. Most women Don't like porn?

 

Wrong. I know lots of women who enjoy porn, and my fiancee loves it almost as much as I do - and that's saying a lot. I loves my porn and so does she - and her tastes are nearly the same as mine

 

5. Porn increases crime rate?

 

No - that's just dumb.

 

6. Most women in porn were abused?

 

Where's their proof of that? I'm sure many were forced into it, but also sure the majority are not. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.

 

7. Porn becomes a subsitute for sex?

 

Only for those who don't like regular sex but like porn. Otherwise, it's a pleasant addition or a non-issue.

 

8. Porn has a high chance of leading to a decrease in sexual performance

 

 

I've watched porn since I was in grade school and been masturbating since much earlier and I know that from the hyperventilating and babbling, my fiancee isn't complaining about my ability to perform in the sack

 

I say that's a myth.

 

9. Marriages that end because of Porn are because the couples are from strict religious backgrounds?

 

Only when one partner is a stubborn religious dogmatic and the other has a taste for porn. Again, an incompatibility issue, not a strictly porn-related one.

 

Why do some people become addicted to porn and others don't?

 

Why do some people get addicted to cigarettes and some don't? I think the answer lies in the individual's taste (or lack thereof) for porn. If they love it, chances are they could develop an addiction.

 

Are there positives to pornography? What about the negatives?

 

It's like asking are there positives and negatives to drama movies. Of course there are, and it all lies within each indivudal's reactions to it, I think.

Is porn here to stay? How should society personally deal with it in your opinion? What porn is okay to watch so you won't develop a dependancy on it?

 

It's here to stay - once something is invented, it usually doesn't disappear. Society should not make a fuss about it, restrict it so kids can't view it till they come of proper age, but otherwise don't regulate or control it. Offer services for porn actors/actresses like you would offer to legal prostitutes (not much difference, really) and otherwise find a real issue to focus on. So people want to film sex and sell it? What's the big deal?

 

And it's up to the individual to decide what to watch and what to avoid. If he or she has a patholigical addiction, then they should heed the advice of a qualified professional, same as with any addiction.

My personally opinion is that before people watch any material is that they know the consquences and reprocussion of watching it. So you should be able to watch anything you want as long as you know what your getting into.

 

Agreed.

[narcissist]

1. Porn helps in assisting the breakup of marriages?

The only marriages I know that have broken up are because of marital infidelity, usually by people who got married too early 'cause they believed they should only have sex while married, or had sex outside of marriage and got their girlfriend pregnant, and had to get married 'cause of the burden of their religous morality.

 

2. Porn changes men's standards of what sex should be like (fantasies) and how women should look like?

I know of men who learn stuff from porn like how to please their woman better. I know of couples (my own parents included) who watch porn together to get tips, tricks and a little horny to boot. I mean, how utterly boring would sex be if we didn't have fantasies to inspire us to make it more interesting?

 

3. Men get addicted to porn?

If I'm hungry, then I go and eat some food, would I be described as being addicted to food? More on this below.

 

4. Most women Don't like porn?

Some of the dirtiest pornographic emails I've received at work have been from women. There's a guy at my work who occasionally receives pornographic emails from his wife.

 

5. Porn increases crime rate?

Where's the evidence?

 

6. Most women in porn were abused?

No idea. But the good ones seem to make a lot of money out of it. So if a good paypacket compensates them for a crap childhood, then all power to them.

 

7. Porn becomes a subsitute for sex?

For those who can't get any, sure. What else is a lonely guy or gal to do? Some of the most sexually active guys I know are also into some serious porn.

 

8. Porn has a high chance of leading to a decrease in sexual performance

Nonsense. Again, some people watch it for tips + tricks. If you're practiced in holding on while watching porn, you'll be able to keep it going on in the bedroom.

 

9. Marriages that end because of Porn are because the couples are from strict religious backgrounds?

No idea. Don't care.

 

I should also add another christian myth (thanks to "Dr" James Dobson):

10. Watching soft core porn will lead you to hard core porn and eventually to bestiality and pedophilia and ultimately to death row.

Well I've been looking at porn for over 20 years and I'm still put off by gynacological shots. Not put off by the real thing though. Yummy.

 

When I was a christian, I was fed lies like these. I believed that I was one of the sinful few who was "addicted" to porn, headed for jail. But upon leaving christianity and engaging with the world I discovered that everybody likes porn, christian and non christian alike, male and female alike. None of them are criminals, rapists or axe murderers. All of them are functional, normal, successfull citizens, friends and work colleagues, some happily married, some happily single. And you certainly wouldn't descriibe any of these folks as addicted to or screwed up by porn.

 

On the contrary, in my own experience, my own life has been screwed up and made dysfunctional by believing these christian myths and others that have made me totally unattractive to any potential sexual partner. It's something I'm gradually overcoming, without the help of God or his church.

[Lycorth]

I should also add another christian myth (thanks to "Dr" James Dobson):

10. Watching soft core porn will lead you to hard core porn and eventually to bestiality and pedophilia and ultimately to death row.

 

Where's the proof? Citing convicts who like porn as evidence of porn's evilness is just stupid, since it would be an inaccurate sampling. Most regular folks like porn, so regular people should be questioned for their tastes. If Xian nuts like Dobson did that, they'd see that porn isn't the problem.

 

Actually, hardcore porn led me to softcore. I like the hardcore stuff, but usually when it's girl-girl or solo female. If it's male-female stuff, I find the softcore stuff more enjoyable, without all the extreme closeups. And the camera quality in softcore is almost always better than hardcore.

[pandora]

I agree with most of your points.

 

On breaking up marriages, it depends on the upbringing and expectations of those in the relationship. If a woman expects that she will be the only thing on this earth to arouse her husband or has a tendency to be really jealous, yes, porn can break up that marriage. If the husband tends to neglect spending any kind time with his wife because of porn, this can contribute to a very frustrated wife, too. There's many factors. I personally know women who wanted divorces because their husbands wouldn't stop looking at porn and neglected more emotional and basic aspects of their sex life because they wanted "quick release." Fortunately for me, my husband doesn't look at it (no, seriously!!), but I wouldn't care too much if he did either. I like porn much more than my husband does. I prefer soft porn or porn that respects the woman/women involved (which is RARE in hardcore).

 

I have one major contention to your myths and perceptions: I do think porn and the media raise the common guy's expectations of what an attractive woman looks like. I don't know how you could think otherwise, honestly. It glamourizes sex (in some cases) and shows violent fantasies that shouldn't ever be imagined in other cases. How many times have heard men say , "no fat chicks" or refuse to have sex with imperfect women? Of course, the reasons for these things are very complex and partly have to do with a woman's low self esteem, but media portrayals of women definitely have a lot to do with it. In fact, I think if more diverse images of confident, attractive women of different sizes (within reason) were postively portrayed in the media, women would come a long way in our society. Men might not find an extra 30 pounds so revolting. Eating disorders would definitely decrease. I heard a progrm on NPR the other day about this issue... there was a study that showed eating disorders manifest only when there are unrealisitic media images of women (western, mostly) prevalent on TV and stuff... it's not just speculation, even though it is kind of a "well, duh!" kind of thing. Men who prefer the idealized woman form to an extreme extent are obviously shallow and immature... men who are more appreciative and accepting of different kinds of beauty are much better lovers.

 

I understand that certain female forms will always be considered more attractive, but when the media portrays that men will only find one type of female form attractive, it deflates a woman's self-esteem and confidence in the bedroom and in social situations.

[Checkmate]

1. Porn helps in assisting the breakup of marriages?

No. Oh sure...it has been used as the excuse for why a marriage may be on the rocks...... but it's mostly a means of socially demonizing your partner to other people. Thus making one partner 'good' and the other 'bad' where in truth it takes two to come together....and two to split it up.

.............snipped for brevity's sake...............

White_Raven23 You have officially taken the lead as my Favorite Ex-C Cyber Honey. (Don't tell SereneAspiration that I'm cheating on her! ) Excellent points on all counts.

 

Every time the subject of "pornography" arises, the Puritan nitwits trot out the overabused bullshit claims that "Porn is addictive" and "Porn destroys marriages". Bull-fucking-shit.

 

"Porn" -- (And I HATE that word. It's a Puritanical shibboleth utilized to demonize sex between consenting adults.) -- does NOTHING. It is a convenient stalking horse and excuse for people who are fucking up their lives/marriages.

 

Marriages break up because people don't like one another, not because they watched strangers fuck on film. To think otherwise is just plain stupid and lazy-assed "blame shifting".

 

No one has EVER been "addicted" to "porn". Just because someone likes or prefers "porn" that is no reason to whip out the "addiction" card. If someone prefers "porn" over a personal relationship, then yes, they may have some "issues" they need to deal with. That is psychological, but it is NOT an "addiction".

 

Personally, I LOVE "porn". And why? Because it pleases me. That's what SEX/voyuerism does for people. And what's wrong with that? Only prudes who aren't getting any, and are therefore ignorant and afraid of sex, have a problem with sex.

 

Are there people genuinely hurt in the "Porn" industry? Probably so. But so what? Are there not people hurt in the Fashion industry? What are we supposed to do then? Declare "Gloria Vanderbilt" and "Versace" illegal now? Don't be silly. People get "hurt" in ALL walks of life. Pain and suffering are an inevitable side effect of LIFE. And NO amount of protesting or hand-wringing is going to change this fact.

 

I'm fucking fed up with people searching for "demons" and easy excuses to use for curtailing activities that THEY find offensive. If you don't like something, fine. Don't do it. But do the rest of the world a favor and don't begin some misguided crusade by protesting another individual's freedoms/pleasures just because YOU can't deal with it. (Typical religious mindset, BTW.)

 

To those who "hate porn" and wish to see it abolished, I have three things to say to you:

 

Mind your own business.

 

"Porn" doesn't concern you, nor will it ever "get" you.

 

Get a life, you silly twit.

 

 

~with love, the Grinchmeister

[chefranden]

Chef, you gave me an idea!

 

If we want to decrease the population on earth, maybe free hardcore porn for all men is the answer? Something to think about...

 

I thought the same thing.

 

We should practice lottery sterilization at birth.

 

Around where I live the State works hard to manage the population of the deer herd. Why not spend that effort on the human herd?

[KT45]

I have one major contention to your myths and perceptions: I do think porn and the media raise the common guy's expectations of what an attractive woman looks like. I don't know how you could think otherwise, honestly.

I believe the media does. Especially when men see people like beyonce or tyra banks everyday on tv. But porn I don't believe so. I'll admit that I go to the cheaper sites like bangbros and mikesapartment (sorry if I'm not suppose to do that) but the women they show aren't always what most would consider the most attractive. They are different sizes, colors, some are fat, some are old some are chubby etc. I've become a lot more accepting of women's body types. Wouldn't even mind having a bigger girl one day.

[KT45]

Here are some negative quotes and testomonies. Give your thoughts

 

http://www.oneangrygirl.net/antiporn.html

 

"What I saw were women just like myself who were desperate, addicted to drugs, homeless, and I'm sure probably at least 80 percent of them suffered from sexual abuse as children. I saw them re-living their childhood experiences by getting into that industry. They were looking for attention, pleasing men, and being abused. And that's all they know. They think it's great. They think it's wonderful. I could've looked you in the eye ten years ago and told you that I loved being in pornography, was proud of what I was doing and that I was having a great time. But now I can tell you that it's so far from the truth. I was very convincing. I could convince you. I mean, I could walk up to a porn star today and she could tell me the same story and I can remember being in that place."

-Carol Smith, former porn performer, in Not For Sale

 

"Who needs the hassle of dating when I've got online porn?"

--Anonymous teenager quoted in New York Times

 

"In pornography, women are three holes and two hands. Women in pornography have no hopes and no dreams and no value apart from the friction those holes and hands can produce on a man’s penis."

-Robert Jensen

 

"T.T. reflects exactly what that sort of porno is about," senior video editor Bud Swope said, "where you screw the hell out of the woman and come all over her face. He throws girls around. He pile-drives till they protest...He's just aggression." In an interview in the April 1995 issue of Hustler Erotic Video Guide, T.T. Boy had this to say: "I was a shy little kid when I started, and now I'm just a guy who wants to fuck the shit out of all these girls. Just fuck 'em to death."

--From Susan Faludi's 'Stiffed'

 

"If pornography made us healthy, we would be healthy by now. If the sex industry made us healthy, then those in the sex industry would be the healthiest and have the healthiest relationships."

-Dr. Mary Anne Layden

 

Hi, My husband and I have been married for 3 years. for the past year and a half, our sex life has been zilch. we have sex, if I'm lucky, about once a month. sometimes only once every two months. He would allways tell me that he did not have much of a drive. About a month ago, I came home a little early with my 1-1/2 year old son, and found him looking at porn on the internet and doing you know what. My feelings were really hurt, and I have explained to him time and time again that I want to be intament with him, and that sex was a part of marriage. He accused me of being a "Nympho", and later appoligized and said he would work on this for our marriage. Well the first week was good. We had sex twice, then it was back to the old way again. Yesterday, I go on the internet files, and saw that he was once again looking at Porn on the internet. Almost every day! Now he accuses me of spying on him and making him feel bad. Am I being Irrational? is it just me? I'm only 25, and I feel, that in this part of the relationship, there should be more. Am I expecting too much? Help!

Spriteywench (http://forums.boardofwenches.com/Default.aspx?g=posts&t=9)

[KT45]

I have gained new found wisdom!!!!

 

1. Killing a puppy is not a sin

2. Killing a puppy is worse than watching porn

3. Therefore watching porn is not a sin

 

But seriously is America the only country that thinks it's being hurt by porn?

[white_raven23]

Here are some negative quotes and testomonies. Give your thoughts

 

http://www.oneangrygirl.net/antiporn.html

 

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You DID notice the name of the web site right?

 

I did look at it though......but come on man.....

 

Would you expect positive testimonial about abortion on a Pro-Life website?

 

Think for a second.

 

If you really want a more objective POV, you do what you are kind of doing here, asking folks whose views are not blatantly obvious flashing....too much fucking pink.....jeez could you have picked a more visually pinkie prairie-muffin site? (remember the prairie-muffins, older members? )

 

And Taylor, (BTW I like that name...it's my middle name) testimonial is not the same thing as evidence. It is someone expressing their point of view from a perspective not guaranteed to be shared by others. When someone tries to prove that Biblegod exists by telling me stories from their lives, I have to stop them and ask how their personal (possible) experience with a supreme being validates the bible. Did this being specify, while it was rescuing your cat from a tree, which holy book you ought to follow?

 

Or somehow the mere existence of such a being somehow made you certain that the dominant religion in your environment was "IT".

 

Know what I would find interesting? If a devout muslim who had never so much as set eyes on a Christian bible in his life, went out into the fields to work his crops, and came rushing back home with a tale of near-death and suddenly proclaimed himself a follower of Christ, instead of thanking Allah for his providence.

 

Now, don't get me wrong, testimonial does have it's use. Particularly when I want to try a new product out, I check epinions.com first to see how others liked or disliked it. That still doesn't tell me how I would like the product though. But it gives me some insight as to whether or not trying it out is worth my money, and possible results to expect from the product. BUT I would STILL have to try it myself to really know for sure.

 

Real evidence doesn't work that way. The results will be the same whether I personally run the tests and experiments or not.

[Saviourmachine]

This is off-topic, but Saviourmachine, you. are. hot.

Oh no! That's always on-topic!

 

And to open pandoras box:

[...]more attractive women of different sizes (within reason) [...] postively portrayed in the media[...]

Yeah yeah!

[scotter]

Here are some negative quotes and testomonies. Give your thoughts

 

http://www.oneangrygirl.net/antiporn.html

 

"If pornography made us healthy, we would be healthy by now. If the sex industry made us healthy, then those in the sex industry would be the healthiest and have the healthiest relationships."

-Dr. Mary Anne Layden

 

 

I found that logic tricky. Say, a date to the (regular) movies in the cinema is something good for the boyfriend/girlfriend, couple. Like shopping together, dinners, those are regular date activities that maintain and even better the relationship of couples.

 

And if someone says, "Look at the Hollywood marriages and Hollywood divorces. If a movie is a great thing for couples, how come that there are so many short, broken marriages from the Hollywood stars?"

 

That said, please don't project this to "adult movies help to promote viewer couple's relationship or not", that is not my point. I am just trying to say supporting the argument "pornography is not healthy" by correlating sex industry workers' own personal relationship is a bad link.

 

I can declare "Star Wars" and those movies by Harrison Ford are not good for relationship, "Ocean Eleven" and those by Brad Pitt are bad for relationship because Harrison Ford, Brad Pitt they divorced; so are movies by Nicole Kidman too.

[pandora]

This is off-topic, but Saviourmachine, you. are. hot.

Oh no! That's always on-topic!

 

And to open pandoras box:

[...]more attractive women of different sizes (within reason) [...] postively portrayed in the media[...]

Yeah yeah!

 

 

Heh heh... you can open my box anyday!

 

Is that really you? Hubba hubba!

[Saviourmachine]

Heh heh... you can open my box anyday!

Ha, I will only open it the second time.

 

[Ouroboros]

I have gained new found wisdom!!!!

 

1. Killing a puppy is not a sin

2. Killing a puppy is worse than watching porn

3. Therefore watching porn is not a sin

 

But seriously is America the only country that thinks it's being hurt by porn?

That should do good on a T-Shirt!

 

I think there's other countries that look down on porn. Most of the muslim countries have gone much further.