Guest Emerson Posted April 27, 2006 Share Posted April 27, 2006 In your former life as a xtian, what did you hate? I hated: christianese going to church being scorned by xtians for not wanting to die for jesus christ (hey he's dead already.) if he was ever alive.... denying normal human enjoyment Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Sage Nabooru Posted April 27, 2006 Share Posted April 27, 2006 Two words: "Contemporary Worship". This was a crap session given to us poor losers who weren't holy and God-fearing enough to get up for the 8:00 early church service. I suppose it was a form of punishment for not dragging our asses out of bed EARLY on a damn WEEKEND. Anyway, it consisted of a young white blond guy with a mullet and a Yamaha keyboard and his equally style-lacking backup guy singing "soft modern Christian music". You know, like elevator music, except with some emasculated freak show's voice singing about how much he loves Jesus. By calling it "music", I'm being generous. On the bright side I'm sure those guys got their asses kicked all over the place. I also hated dressing up to go to church. Specifically stockings. As a child in the 80's, I had the powder-blue dress with the giant frills and lace and ribbon all over it, shiny white Mary Janes, and those damned stockings. They're the most uncomfortable things in the world. Even today I will attack anyone who tries to put me in a pair of those damned curses. Lastly, I hated how they laid the guilt on. The kids who went to Catholic school got it easy. Protestant school is not only totally devoid of flavor but twice as heavy on the discipline. But really what hurt the most was the guilt over the fact that I wasn't willing to die for Jesus, or totally live my entire life in "His" service. I felt selfish for not wanting to "live for God" - which in that religion meant forgoing every comfort and sacrificing myself on the altar of pious humility. If you weren't willing to die in misery for God, you weren't good enough for salvation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ouroboros Posted April 27, 2006 Share Posted April 27, 2006 As a Christian, I didn't hate things in the religion so much. I hated to not knowing the answers to tricky questions I got from atheists though. So many times I winged it, and had no clue if it was true or not. And I studied books, and tried to get the answers, but it was usually without any luck, because it didn't go deep enough. Every argument was just a partial argument, and when you could see the argument would lead to results that were not wanted by the author, it ended with "but that is just ridiculous" and no further explanation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LosingMyReligion Posted April 27, 2006 Share Posted April 27, 2006 1.) Christian Teens - Even though I was one, they are still the dorkiest kids EVER. None of them have ANY sort of fun unless it is a get together to discuss the bible. The Christian Rock concerts were excrutiatingly painful. I let one of my friends drag me to a "Cademon's Call" concert and I swear I would have rather had bamboo rods rammed up my fingernails. Furthermore if you say one little swear word they all act like you just dumped a bag full of dogshit on the floor. Plus they laugh at the corniest jokes... Which leads me to... 2.) Joel Osteen - I tried to like him...I really and truly did when I was a christian. But he is so annoying and irritating. I went to his church once, and he is nothing but a snake oil salesmen. He tries to make the bible and God of the bible so welcoming and loving, while dancing around what he really believes in. Why don't you just say it Joel? You think everyone in the world is going to hell except you and your big haired wife, who looks like a well dressed 80's porn queen. 3.) Getting up to goto church every Sunday, On the ONE day that I actually have off. Just to listen to some preacher get over emotional about a man being torchered to death and rising from the grave for us wretched human beings... 4.) The Fake People - You would swear that Christians NEVER, EVER, NEVER have problems because everyone walks around with that fake plastered on smile like everything is A OTAY. And don't get me started about the endless catchphrases, "I can do all things through christ whom strengthens me..." among others. A person's dog could get run over by a car and all a Christian will do is offer you a catchphrase about keeping God at the center of your life. How about showing some love and affection? Come down off your highhorse and relate to the rest of us mortals. My dog just got killed you jerk! The dog in question is purely hypothetical by the way. 5.) Listening to the same story over and over again, ad nausem. How many times can you preach about the death, burial, birth, and ressurrection of Jesus? All of these stories have been preached on atleast a gazillion times. Maybe Christianity will eventually go out of style due to pastor's lacking new material? Okay, just my rant. haha. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pandora Posted April 27, 2006 Share Posted April 27, 2006 Getting up on Sunday mornings The cliques and "in" groups still existed at church, if not even more so than in my real life at school school. The divas and man-divas that got up to show off their vocal skills... er, I mean praise God, and then the clapping afterwards. Um, yeah... I liked about everything else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Emerson Posted April 27, 2006 Share Posted April 27, 2006 I forgot about submission in marriage, and I do want to get married so hell no! Submission BE DAMNNED!!!!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LosingMyReligion Posted April 27, 2006 Share Posted April 27, 2006 Getting up on Sunday mornings The cliques and "in" groups still existed at church, if not even more so than in my real life at school school. The divas and man-divas that got up to show off their vocal skills... er, I mean praise God, and then the clapping afterwards. Um, yeah... I liked about everything else. Lol Pandora... Your post gave me giggles about the Divas and ManDivas. Sometimes the male divas were WORSE than the ladies. Church was more like an American Idol competition...Under the guise of praising Jesus. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JeffXL Posted April 28, 2006 Share Posted April 28, 2006 The mind-numbing monotony of the "service." That my pastors and other members of the church had no problem with people going to hell. The completely fake contemporary services. Church members sniffing each other's butts (oh yes, we're off to Africa this year/welcome to my fabulous house/ad nauseum). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
willybilly30 Posted April 28, 2006 Share Posted April 28, 2006 1. hated going to church itd be a beutiful sunny day and id be sitting in church listening to a preacher tellus were going to hell for 2 hours maybe more, the 3rd hour would have some sobbing women praying or some crap. 2.wearing fancy clothes that takes forever to put on and feels all tight and uncomfortable. 3.in church people would look at me damn why the hell do you look at people in the pews they so utterly board by the preacher that they hope ill entertain them. 4.people put their hands on you and say i love you i been thinking about you. (ya know at a job thatd be sexual harrasment) 5. i hated witnessing to people theyd usually get enraged and yell at me (now i know why!) 6. trying to believe in the bible its just redicoulus 7. i also hate how christian women are i mean they are spineless jellyfish the married women i know act like slaves and the husbands are sorry enough to makem do it. 8. i hate how preppy they look ever seen jan crouch on tbn i swear shes got enough makeup on i wonder if she has to scrape it off with a knife and damn all that hair is that wear she hides her purse. people like that judge people like 'so in so came in church with a teeshirt and blue jeans and i saw him go in a bar saturday' yea and i bet they were in a bar watching so in so drink and then will have the nerve to tell him not too. mean are like this too they dress in suits and cut hair and act like snobbs. 9. i hated being around these kind of people. damn im turning this into what i hated about christianity in general. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lycorth Posted April 28, 2006 Share Posted April 28, 2006 I hated having to expend countless hours of study and apologetic acrobatics to find ways to make Xianity seem in harmony with things I naturally knew were right, like self-defense or nature-love or cultivating a strong self-esteem or various freedoms and rights, etc. I hated having to do all that work and still come out with a position so distorted and convoluted no one would ever take seriously. I hated everything about it, in time, but trying to make Xianity seem compatible with being a strong, wise, kind, decent person was the worst. I hate impossible jobs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest GrewUpFundie Posted April 28, 2006 Share Posted April 28, 2006 I hated how hearing that virtually everyone else was bound for hell made the Christians I know feel superior instead of blessed. They looked down their nose at the "false" Christians, and were obviously MUCH better people than your garden-variety heathen in every way. That they're "saved" is just part of it; it's almost a primitive thing, like clan warfare or something. They use their "superiority" to justify racism, violent behavior, censorship, and some of the stupidest "science" and foreign policy known to man, among other things. I think a lot of it is about power, and since they're not always the brightest bulbs in the box, lording it over other people this way - if only in their own minds - is all the power that many of them will ever have. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garrisonjj Posted April 28, 2006 Share Posted April 28, 2006 In your former life as a xtian, what did you hate? I hated: christianese going to church being scorned by xtians for not wanting to die for jesus christ (hey he's dead already.) if he was ever alive.... denying normal human enjoyment BY FAR THE CHURCH INFLICTED FUCKIN GUILT! The sermons that had no basis in reality. The fuckin fear of hell drummed into you. Church made me feel inferior,humiliated and of low self esteem. Then i find out priests fucking molesting kids. i think this inspired me to say ENOUGH! The beauty of the church (building) and music are quite undeniable, however. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HadouKen24 Posted April 28, 2006 Share Posted April 28, 2006 I hated how everyone claimed that it was important to know the truth, and then were so fucking LAZY about actually finding it. I mean, they hardly even knew about their own faith, let alone anyone else's. I knew more about early Christianity than the freaking youth pastor, who had gone to seminary to learn that stuff, after only a few months of self-motivated study. I soon realized that everyone at nearly every church in America was just spewing words into the air without actually knowing what they meant, or what significance they might have. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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pandora Posted April 28, 2006 Share Posted April 28, 2006 Oh yeah, I forgot my main pieve... bribery to get friends to come to youth group. I also hated the obsession with money and how they tried to make church cool (with a coffee stand), contemporary music (Jars of Clay as worship songs), and stuff like that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gobbler Posted April 28, 2006 Share Posted April 28, 2006 2.) Joel Osteen - I tried to like him...I really and truly did when I was a christian. But he is so annoying and irritating. I went to his church once, and he is nothing but a snake oil salesmen. He tries to make the bible and God of the bible so welcoming and loving, while dancing around what he really believes in. Why don't you just say it Joel? You think everyone in the world is going to hell except you and your big haired wife, who looks like a well dressed 80's porn queen. Of all the times I've seen his sickenly-sweet smile on news programs, I gathered he doesn't believe in the doctrine of hell the way he hems and haws with his answers. He seems like he leans toward a universal salvation doctrine. Or maybe you're right, he just doesn't want to admit his bible is just full of horrid doctrines! Anyway, what I got most tired of was the constant sermons of why we should be paying our tithes. Which I did all the time. I was getting pissed because other people were not being "faithful" and "robbing god" of tithes and offerings. Do you know how many times I've heard that wrected verse Malachi 3:8? Like the supposed creator of the universe gets pissed when we don't pay up! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-Demona- Posted April 28, 2006 Share Posted April 28, 2006 1) Having to wear dresses and uncomfortable shoes. I wore jeans and "dressy" t-shirts regularly my last year at church. Hey, if God can't accept me as I am, then he's not worth worshipping, now is he? And I wasn't going to church to impress anybody; I was going for a spiritual experience. Which brings me to another point... 2) The one-up-manship. Everybody just has to be better than everybody else. They have to have the cutest and most talented kids in the children's choir, the most put-together little brood, the most pious and "prayerful" attitude. Ugh! 3) The way parents would run crying kids out of the room to not interrupt the pastor preaching. Too late. Either let your kid squeal right there, or stick a "binky" in his mouth to shut him up. Almost everybody has kids at church, and should understand that you can't always keep your tykes quiescent. Hell, I taught the preschool sunday school class at 15, and I knew that better than most of the adults! The crying, gurgling, giggling and running around didn't phaze me. Just let kids be kids, for Pete's sake! 4) The justification of the torture and horrific acts done in the name of God in the Bible. No, Pastor ________, there's really no justification for the slaughter of thousands of pagans to gain a small strip of land. 5) The approval of the teachings of people like Martin Luther. Hey guys, ML was an anti-Semetist! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Emerson Posted April 28, 2006 Share Posted April 28, 2006 LMR & willybilly, I agree with you on that xtian teens and women are both dorky. Because women were "weak" and uneducated a lot of times, there was no way that I wanted to stay or date a xtian guy. Being a xtian housewife was like my worst nightmare. I also hated the thought of witnessing so I never did, yet if you complain about any of these things that we've discussed on this thread, they think that you're a freak. I also hated how you weren't allowed to like secular media like the movies and certain boybands like backstreet boys weren't allowed (hey I grew up in the late 90s as a teen!) Now I can listen to them and Madonna without feeling guilty, I mean its not as if I was listening to some murderer singing. Secular media is just better than anything the christians come up with or copy. GAWD! I also hated how judgmental I was of people, if they didn't do something the xtian way even if they weren't xtian or were then I'd judge them. Like if other teens dated then I judged them that they weren't going about it right. I HATED being like that. Anyway, now since I've left I don't think that of others. Its such a relief. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoustonHorn Posted April 28, 2006 Share Posted April 28, 2006 Having to get drive-through breakfast on Sunday mornings. I enjoy cooking breakfast on the weekends. For that matter, having to set an alarm on Sunday morning. Witnessing. Ok, feeling guilty about not witnessing. Being looked down upon for not going out in the neighborhood trying to get more people to church. That look from the person sitting next to you when you pass on the plate without putting anything in. Being told who I can and can't like and associate with. I'll pick my own friends, thanks. Making 10% less net income. Ok, so it was closer to 2 or 3%, but the point remains. Being told I was the cause of all my problems. Everything negative was either because the Devil was "working on me", or I wasn't praying enough, or I wasn't trusting God enough. Having to hide a bottle of wine when church friends came over so they didn't think I had a glass of wine with dinner occassionally. Having to plan two wedding receptions. One at the church and one away that we could dance at. The pastor (Baptist) that married us told us that while he didn't feel a first dance at the reception would be wrong, some of the members might. So we had a short little reception at church and then went and had our real reception with our friends - most church people not invited. Even had a bar and we played secular music!!! Ok, that may lead to a posting in the rants board in the next few days. I didn't realize that bothered me as much as it does. Being told my doubts were just doubts and I'd eventually come back to God. Yeah, that one should have definately gone first. Everybody just assumes I'm in a tough place right now and that I'll come back to God after I've done my research. Too bad, the more I research the farther from God I get. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lanakila Posted April 28, 2006 Share Posted April 28, 2006 Sunday mornings getting ready for church, and getting kids out the door. (hell on earth) Being a submissive Christian wife destroyed my marriage, because his being controlling and my having to submit became a reality and was backed up by the Bible. This caused me to lose respect for him and eventually to fall out of love, with basically a nice guy who was taught bad information on how to make a marriage work. He of course fell out of love with me because he lost respect for a woman that would submit and take his controlling me. It's quite sick actually and to consider fundy marriages that work this way healthy is bullshit. Church people--they are the most gossippy backstabbing bunch of people I have ever met. That and the judging everyone based on some standard of what makes someone a good Christian--and being judged that way is pressure that gave me headaches. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chefranden Posted April 28, 2006 Share Posted April 28, 2006 I hated pews that were hard on the ass, and boring sermons. That's why I became a preacher. I didn't have to sit in the pews and, of course, my sermons weren't boring. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amethyst Posted April 28, 2006 Share Posted April 28, 2006 I hated having to feel guilty for every little thing, including reading books or listening to music the church did not approve of. Being judged for not being religious enough or perfect enough. My confirmation (getting dressed up and paraded in front of relatives I didn't even really like). I absolutely hate being the center of attention as it is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Emerson Posted April 29, 2006 Share Posted April 29, 2006 Lanakila thanks for sharing your experience of married life. I had a lot of christian friends both single and married, telling me how "wonderful" submission was and how it supposedly "frees" the woman in the relationship and with the propaganda of James Dobson they almost had me convinced. Somehow I just couldn't swallow that pill and I just knew that I couldn't go down that road. Ugh, no thanks. So thank you for telling us the truth. Now I know some people are into BDSM but this isn't about that. lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lycorth Posted April 29, 2006 Share Posted April 29, 2006 Not to hijack the thread, but what's wrong with a housewife being submissive and enjoying it? So long as the man always treats her well and genuine love is at the root of all things, why is submissiveness wrong? (I'm not talking about Xianity-enforced concepts of wifely submissiveness or submissiveness enforced through domestic violence or fear, I mean submissiveness in general. And most of the Xian housewives I've ever known are quasi-feminists, so I have a hard time believing that the only thing Xianity encourages is submissive housewives.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toxic Posted April 29, 2006 Share Posted April 29, 2006 Happy clappy christian music, christians being a load of hypocritical bitchy bastards, house groups, retreats, analogies used in sermons "life is like a sardine can, etc", christian pop music, having to give testimonies, "Keep Sunday Special" campaigns, priests telling me women shouldn't have abortions, being told I should burn my AC/DC tapes, etc, etc... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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