Christians Were Not To Blame!

[Seth C Triggs]

I wish people like that would Shut up!!!!

"X is wrong"

"Why is X wrong"

"be cause the bible says so."

freaking idiot, if you cant defend your argument with Logic then shut up. ok so homosexuallity is actually a pretty easy argument to make, especially to Atheists. Homosexuality goes agains the Natural law, it is a Pycological disorder often times caused by Molestation in Childhood.

 

Holy cow, are you kidding me?

 

Why is it that nearly every gay person I know HASN'T been molested as a child? Why is it also that most molestation is heterosexual? Riddle me that, Batman!

 

it can come about in adolescence especially young adolescence when minds are most impressionable.

 

Gee, that also happens to be the time of puberty, when many (not all) kids begin the roots of their

sexuality, right?

 

the Adolescent will often time "experiment" durring early adolescence the release of the hormone oxytocin causes an extreem bond and can often time lend itself to imprinting the bond to the gender the major burst first experienced.

 

I find that extremely hard to believe. Orientation is pretty much immutable. If it weren't, you would see actual, proven results with ex-gay ministries, for one thing! Sexuality is what can be suppressed, as an expression of orientation. I think I'm going to need to see some proof for this claim.

 

brian washing can also lead to homosexuallity, it is Fact that students who are constantly refered to as "gay" or "fag" are 10 times more likely to turn out homosexual. With treatment however the individual can lead a normal life.

 

Oh, you mean stop using those terms as pejoratives? I agree with that. But somehow I'm certain that's not what you mean.

 

It's probably true that kids constantly referred to as "gay" or "fag" often kill themselves, given the immense negativity given towards the homosexual orientation. Indeed though, it seems to be more of a stigma towards male homosexuals; hetero guys seem to be more than happy to toss off to their favorite lesbian porn, after all.

 

But nothing can "turn" someone gay. That's just hogwash. You can definitely badger someone into changing their expression of sexuality, even to the point where they go through the motions in a loveless relationship. But you'll never change their innate, likely chemically-based attraction to the gender(s) they are oriented towards.

 

Ask yourself this: Do you honestly think someone can make you become genuinely attracted to a man? (I'm assuming you're male, since homophobic guys like you tend to have the irrational "gay panic.")

 

-Seth

[Japedo]

Annoying argument heard it 100 times before and the Christian that says that should simply be beat to death with a stick of sausage. there are so many more better arguments. here is a good one Atheism throughout history is responsible for many wars and Death of Millions of people. in fact Atheist have been responsible for more deaths than any other religion, and considering it hasnt been a major religion but for the last aprox. 150 years that is incredible. (Stalin is a great example but lets not forget the other communists and Hitler, oh and those African dictators either). and by the way The Spanish Inquisition(TSI) and the Crusades are very bad examples too use, a Historian would first smack you then call you an idiot. (TSI: Spains defense against invading forces, the equal to the U.S.A. Red scare. Fact: Inquisition Courts were prefered to Local Courts during this time)(Crusades: to explain the crusades let me put it this way, why dont i come into your house kill all your family and throw you out on the streets. then tell you that you do not have a right to take back what i have taken from you. Muslims Killed thousands of Christians and Jews and stole {yes they Stole} the Holy Land. Jews had it for thousands of years before them and Christians had it for 700 years before their "Prophet" came.)

 

Stalin killed in the name of the state not in the name of 'atheism' like you falsely imply. Hitler was a self proclaimed catholic and had the support of the catholic Church during his rein. Nice trying to side step the issue he also used the bible to support his screwed up twisted positions and used it to rally the people. I'd also like to point out that Atheism is opposite of Theism. Stateing atheism as a religion is a complete oxymoron.

 

The founders of your cult are a bad example? isn't your entire faith built by what these people believed and stated? It's only bad because you can't consciously support their massive killing sprees in the name of JESUS CHRIST YOUR LORD.

 

Your point about Muslims killing Jews and Christians.. All 3 sects have their fair share of mindless killing in the name of their chosen cult leaders. None of these groups stand united against the others. Christians have killed Christians for not being "True" ones. Jews have killed Jews for breaking Torah laws and not being "True Jews" Muslims have killed Muslims for not being "True Muslims" Why don't you do some research on some orthodox Jews. Do you know that many don't recognize the 'state of Israel' today as it is viewed as not being given by god but given by the United Nations for reparations to WWII? The more posts I read from you, the more you prove yourself completely uneducated about history.

[Kurari]

freaking idiot, if you cant defend your argument with Logic then shut up. ok so homosexuallity is actually a pretty easy argument to make, especially to Atheists. Homosexuality goes agains the Natural law, it is a Pycological disorder often times caused by Molestation in Childhood. it can come about in adolescence especially young adolescence when minds are most impressionable. the Adolescent will often time "experiment" durring early adolescence the release of the hormone oxytocin causes an extreem bond and can often time lend itself to imprinting the bond to the gender the major burst first experienced. brian washing can also lead to homosexuallity, it is Fact that students who are constantly refered to as "gay" or "fag" are 10 times more likely to turn out homosexual. With treatment however the individual can lead a normal life.

 

Natural law is that HUMANS ARE NOT RESTRICTED TO SEX JUST FOR PROCREATION. It's the most dangerous and rediculous myth we have ever conceived for ourselves.

 

There is NO justification for hating each other over something so goddamn meaningless as who we roll in the hay with. Sex has never been just for the sake of mating in our species. Hell, it's not even just for mating in other animal species! Dolphins and Bonobos have sex regularly for the fun of it and homosexuals exist there too. There is homosexuality in dogs, sheep, deer, horses, rabbits (I had a gay rabbit once), and birds. Scientists are discovering more all the time.

 

Regardless of the how or why, we're humans. We can think, make choices, and make love in the most fantastic ways like no other creature can. We can use it to comfort ourselves and form deeper emotional bonds of love with each other.

 

I don't pretend to know Bible verses or why this was considered a bad thing back in Jesus's time, but I've heard all the theories. It doesn't matter anymore. It's WRONG. Sexual discrimination is flat out stupid and innapropriate for the 21st century.

 

People have died the most horrible deaths imaginable over this. The Bible is not an excuse.

 

We have no excuses for what we have done to each other because of this puritanical bullshit over sex. The repression, the hate, the lies, the cruelty, the violence, the mental torture people have suffered because of fear, the danger we've put our children in because they can't get a decent education.

 

Fact is, people are going to do it no matter what anybody else thinks. They never stopped, and never will stop having sex for pleasure alone. The sooner everybody wakes up and starts taking responsibility for that, the better off we'll all be as a species.

[Gnosis of Disbelief]

you have idiocy and you have stupidity please take your pick. Hitler Left the Catholic Church as a youth. that is a known Fact. he also tried to capture and at one point Kill the pope, now if that is a good catholic then i dont ever want to meet a bad one. Hitler was a Practicing Pagan its a Historical Fact. (by the way i have read mein Kampf i actually own a copy) Hilter used Christianity as propaganda.

 

 

 

And is there anything about christianity that isn't pagan in origin,

you blithering fucktard? And if you really have read Mein Kampf,

surely you couldn't have missed the following quote:

 

 

 

“Hence today I believe that I am acting in accordance with the will of the Almighty Creator: by defending myself against the Jew, I am fighting for the work of the Lord.”

 

 

Or this one:

 

Christianity could not content itself with building up its own altar; it was absolutely forced to undertake the destruction of the heathen altars. Only from this fanatical intolerance could its apodictic faith take form; this intolerance is, in fact, its absolute presupposition.

 

 

Or this one (same source as above):

 

"And the founder of Christianity made no secret indeed of his estimation of the Jewish people. When He found it necessary, He drove those enemies of the human race out of the Temple of God."

[Guest]

you have idiocy and you have stupidity please take your pick. Hitler Left the Catholic Church as a youth. that is a known Fact. he also tried to capture and at one point Kill the pope, now if that is a good catholic then i dont ever want to meet a bad one. Hitler was a Practicing Pagan its a Historical Fact. (by the way i have read mein Kampf i actually own a copy) Hilter used Christianity as propaganda.

 

Then you're aware of how much Hitler used xtian language in his speeches and writings. Why does Article 24 of the Nazi manifesto state that "the Nazi party stands for positive christianity"?

The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich, William L. Shirer, pg. 234

 

I'm not arguing that Hitler didn't use xtianity as propaganda, but who hasen't? The fact still remains that he used XTIAN language in his speeches, used XTIAN imagary and slogans, and based his anti-Semitism in large part on the writing of XTIAN reformer Martin Luther (On the Jews and Their Lies, Luther, 1543; ISBN 1-593-6402-42). If Hitler had used Islam to further his goals, I'm sure you would use that as a "proof" of the evilness of Islam, but since he used XTIANITY, of course, he wasn't a REAL xtian.

 

Not to mention that the catholic church has excomunicated people for the dumbest things over the centuries yet NEVER excomunicated Hitler. The church had a list of forbidden books (the Index Librorum Prohibitorum) that was in effect from 1559 untill 1966, and that list contained such terrible works from such ruthless authors like: Aristotle, Nicholas Copernicus, Galileo Galilei, Johannes Kepler, Thomas Paine, Rene Descartes, Edward Gibbon, Charles Dickens, and Charles Darwin, just to name a few. No writing of Hitler's was ever put onto the Index Librorum Prohibitorum however, even tho it was still in effect during the time of the Third Reich.

 

So even if you want to argue that Hitler only used xtianity to further his political goals, you still have to contend that the church itself didn't even make the smallest of attempts to stop him, or prevent his idiologies from being read by the masses. Was Hitler really less of a danger than Aristotle or Galileo?

[Toxic]

 

Then you're aware of how much Hitler used xtian language in his speeches and writings. Why does Article 24 of the Nazi manifesto state that "the Nazi party stands for positive christianity"?

The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich, William L. Shirer, pg. 234

 

I'm not arguing that Hitler didn't use xtianity as propaganda, but who hasen't? The fact still remains that he used XTIAN language in his speeches, used XTIAN imagary and slogans, and based his anti-Semitism in large part on the writing of XTIAN reformer Martin Luther (On the Jews and Their Lies, Luther, 1543; ISBN 1-593-6402-42). If Hitler had used Islam to further his goals, I'm sure you would use that as a "proof" of the evilness of Islam, but since he used XTIANITY, of course, he wasn't a REAL xtian.

 

Not to mention that the catholic church has excomunicated people for the dumbest things over the centuries yet NEVER excomunicated Hitler. The church had a list of forbidden books (the Index Librorum Prohibitorum) that was in effect from 1559 untill 1966, and that list contained such terrible works from such ruthless authors like: Aristotle, Nicholas Copernicus, Galileo Galilei, Johannes Kepler, Thomas Paine, Rene Descartes, Edward Gibbon, Charles Dickens, and Charles Darwin, just to name a few. No writing of Hitler's was ever put onto the Index Librorum Prohibitorum however, even tho it was still in effect during the time of the Third Reich.

 

So even if you want to argue that Hitler only used xtianity to further his political goals, you still have to contend that the church itself didn't even make the smallest of attempts to stop him, or prevent his idiologies from being read by the masses. Was Hitler really less of a danger than Aristotle or Galileo?

 

I already posted this but anyway http://emperors-clothes.com/vatican/cpix.htm

[AgnosticBob AtheistPants]

brian washing can also lead to homosexuallity

 

Oh no! I hope no one tries to wash my Brian!

 

 

Just shut it.