Evolution.....I have some questions

[Guest INKOGNETO]

1. Where did the space for the universe come from?

 

2. Where did matter come from?

 

3. Where did the laws of the universe come from (gravity, inertia, etc.)?

 

4. How did matter get so perfectly organized?

 

5. Where did the energy come from to do all the organizing?

 

6. When, where, why, and how did life come from dead matter?

 

7. When, where, why, and how did life learn to reproduce itself?

 

8. With what did the first cell capable of sexual reproduction reproduce?

 

9. Why would any plant or animal want to reproduce more of its kind since this would only make more mouths to feed and decrease the chances of survival? (Does the individual have a drive to survive, or the species? How do you explain this?)

 

10. How can mutations (recombining of the genetic code) create any new, improved varieties? (Recombining English letters will never produce Chinese books.)

 

11. Is it possible that similarities in design between different animals prove a common Creator instead of a common ancestor?

 

12. Natural selection only works with the genetic information available and tends only to keep a species stable. How would you explain the increasing complexity in the genetic code that must have occurred if evolution were true?

 

13. When, where, why, and how did: a) Single-celled plants become multicelled? (Where are the two- and threecelled intermediates?) Single-celled animals evolve? c) Fish change to amphibians? d) Amphibians change to reptiles? e) Reptiles change to birds? (The lungs, bones, eyes, reproductive organs, heart, method of locomotion, body covering, etc., are all very different!) How did the intermediate forms live?

 

14. When, where, why, how, and from what did: a) Whales evolve? Sea horses evolve? c) Bats evolve? d) Eyes evolve? e) Ears evolve? f) Hair, skin, feathers, scales, nails, claws, etc., evolve?

 

15. Which evolved first (how, and how long, did it work without the others)? a) The digestive system, the food to be digested, the appetite, the ability to find and eat the food, the digestive juices, or the body’s resistance to its own digestive juice (stomach, intestines, etc.)? The drive to reproduce or the ability to reproduce? c) The lungs, the mucus lining to protect them, the throat, or the perfect mixture of gases to be breathed into the lungs? d) DNA or RNA to carry the DNA message to cell parts? e) The termite or the flagella in its intestines that actually digest the cellulose? f) The plants or the insects that live on and pollinate the plants? g) The bones, ligaments, tendons, blood supply, or muscles to move the bones? h) The nervous system, repair system, or hormone system? i) The immune system or the need for it?

[Celsus]

INKOGNETO,

 

This list of question is deliberately ingenuous. Questions 1 through 6 are not about evolution of life and are deliberate efforts to confuse areas of science. I would suggest a thorough reading of actual science books to answer some of your questions. Basically, I will give an overview. Evolution is an observed fact in nature and a set of incomplete theories to explain this observed fact. If all life was created without evolution bing a factor, then how do you explain the nest heirarchy of genetic changes?

 

Bruce

[Luck Mermaid]

Someone needs to bring up that experiment where you hit matter with lightning and eventually you get a protein strand... I am treading on vague water so help out, people!

 

Also, I've heard that the universe isn't perfect - there are 'irregularities' at the basest level of space and time.

 

Secondly, things are not perfect, they are symbiotic. Take for example, adult survivors of child abuse to blame themselves. My therapist says that this is in part due to a natural reaction of the child to see the parent as perfect/"god". So when they are actually harmful, the child cannot simply decide that the parent is the problem, a) because it's terrifying and means their god is absent and they aren't safe, and b ) because they wouldn't survive if they didn't respond to a parent like a duckling to a mother duck.

 

That's a problem - some people repeat the abuse in the future, some become addicts, suicidal, go through lots of damaging patterns that lead to death and stagnation and on a larger scale contribute to a global destruction of self and unnecessary pain - HOWEVER - this hasn't worked itself out. If we were 'perfect' this wouldn't exist and we would find another way to work around it for minimum damage. But our ribonucleic acid and primordial "juices" aren't programmed for it - we may be able to overcome it, but otherwise, unless we find new places to exploit or humans are greatly damanged by a biological or nuclear action that doesn't destroy our resource for living (the earth), then we will destroy ourselves.

 

Also, just my own personal opinion - you are looking for God in the wrong place- a human-made book rather than the fabric of reality. We are all part of god, god not being one person who sits around deciding this or that (atl east I don't think so but who knows), but a massive collection of everything. Therefore, it is not an automatic conclusion that people who believe in god must choose between evolution and creation - what if evolution IS creation?

 

I know this goes against your bible, and that's fine. But keep in mind that at this point, you are trying to control your surroundings by trying to match reality to a theory rather than reading books based on observation of reality - (for a humorous and scary example of how wrong this can go, read up on medieval medical 'professionals' and their knowledge of corrupted air, urinology, astrology, and the four humors, all based on theories two thousand years hence - it didn't usually go that well).

 

you read a book and try to manipulate facts to suport it. I think that evolution is one of the laws, acts and great histories of 'god/dess. If you want to learn more about god, may I suggest buying a book about astronomy and the structure of the universe - if you feel like it, leave out the parts that discuss evolution from a single point several billion years ago - but look at the clusters of constellations and how they appear and pay attention to contemporary scientific observations about space, it's structure, etc. It might help bring you more understanding of god - astronomy isn't new and was used in the bible.

[zfunkman]

1. Where did the space for the universe come from?

 

2. Where did matter come from?

 

3. Where did the laws of the universe come from (gravity, inertia, etc.)?

 

4. How did matter get so perfectly organized?

 

5. Where did the energy come from to do all the organizing?

 

6. When, where, why, and how did life come from dead matter?

 

7. When, where, why, and how did life learn to reproduce itself?

 

8. With what did the first cell capable of sexual reproduction reproduce?

 

9. Why would any plant or animal want to reproduce more of its kind since this would only make more mouths to feed and decrease the chances of survival? (Does the individual have a drive to survive, or the species? How do you explain this?)

 

10. How can mutations (recombining of the genetic code) create any new, improved varieties? (Recombining English letters will never produce Chinese books.)

 

11. Is it possible that similarities in design between different animals prove a common Creator instead of a common ancestor?

 

12. Natural selection only works with the genetic information available and tends only to keep a species stable. How would you explain the increasing complexity in the genetic code that must have occurred if evolution were true?

 

13. When, where, why, and how did: a) Single-celled plants become multicelled? (Where are the two- and threecelled intermediates?) Single-celled animals evolve? c) Fish change to amphibians? d) Amphibians change to reptiles? e) Reptiles change to birds? (The lungs, bones, eyes, reproductive organs, heart, method of locomotion, body covering, etc., are all very different!) How did the intermediate forms live?

 

14. When, where, why, how, and from what did: a) Whales evolve? Sea horses evolve? c) Bats evolve? d) Eyes evolve? e) Ears evolve? f) Hair, skin, feathers, scales, nails, claws, etc., evolve?

 

15. Which evolved first (how, and how long, did it work without the others)? a) The digestive system, the food to be digested, the appetite, the ability to find and eat the food, the digestive juices, or the body’s resistance to its own digestive juice (stomach, intestines, etc.)? The drive to reproduce or the ability to reproduce? c) The lungs, the mucus lining to protect them, the throat, or the perfect mixture of gases to be breathed into the lungs? d) DNA or RNA to carry the DNA message to cell parts? e) The termite or the flagella in its intestines that actually digest the cellulose? f) The plants or the insects that live on and pollinate the plants? g) The bones, ligaments, tendons, blood supply, or muscles to move the bones? h) The nervous system, repair system, or hormone system? i) The immune system or the need for it?

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Why do we care?

[Mr. Neil]

1. Where did the space for the universe come from?

 

2. Where did matter come from?

 

3. Where did the laws of the universe come from (gravity, inertia, etc.)?

 

4. How did matter get so perfectly organized?

 

5. Where did the energy come from to do all the organizing?

 

6. When, where, why, and how did life come from dead matter?

 

7. When, where, why, and how did life learn to reproduce itself?

 

8. With what did the first cell capable of sexual reproduction reproduce?

 

9. Why would any plant or animal want to reproduce more of its kind since this would only make more mouths to feed and decrease the chances of survival? (Does the individual have a drive to survive, or the species? How do you explain this?)

 

10. How can mutations (recombining of the genetic code) create any new, improved varieties? (Recombining English letters will never produce Chinese books.)

 

11. Is it possible that similarities in design between different animals prove a common Creator instead of a common ancestor?

 

12. Natural selection only works with the genetic information available and tends only to keep a species stable. How would you explain the increasing complexity in the genetic code that must have occurred if evolution were true?

 

13. When, where, why, and how did: a) Single-celled plants become multicelled? (Where are the two- and threecelled intermediates?) Single-celled animals evolve? c) Fish change to amphibians? d) Amphibians change to reptiles? e) Reptiles change to birds? (The lungs, bones, eyes, reproductive organs, heart, method of locomotion, body covering, etc., are all very different!) How did the intermediate forms live?

 

14. When, where, why, how, and from what did: a) Whales evolve? Sea horses evolve? c) Bats evolve? d) Eyes evolve? e) Ears evolve? f) Hair, skin, feathers, scales, nails, claws, etc., evolve?

 

15. Which evolved first (how, and how long, did it work without the others)? a) The digestive system, the food to be digested, the appetite, the ability to find and eat the food, the digestive juices, or the body’s resistance to its own digestive juice (stomach, intestines, etc.)? The drive to reproduce or the ability to reproduce? c) The lungs, the mucus lining to protect them, the throat, or the perfect mixture of gases to be breathed into the lungs? d) DNA or RNA to carry the DNA message to cell parts? e) The termite or the flagella in its intestines that actually digest the cellulose? f) The plants or the insects that live on and pollinate the plants? g) The bones, ligaments, tendons, blood supply, or muscles to move the bones? h) The nervous system, repair system, or hormone system? i) The immune system or the need for it?

 

You're stupid.

 

 

First of all, here's where you got that list. Not crediting your source is called plagiarism. It's okay, though. We'll let that slide. I know it's embarrassing to admit that you cut and pasted something from Kent Hovind's website.

 

Second, most of these questions are either loaded or have nothing to do with evolution. Evolution is a theory of biology. If you are assuming that evolution is a synonym for atheism, then I'm sorry, you've been lied to, and now you're parroting other people's lies.

 

Most of these questions are just downright stupid, but I'm going to answer one just to embarrass you.

 

 

11. Is it possible that similarities in design between different animals prove a common Creator instead of a common ancestor?

 

Again, the question is loaded by saying "similarities in design", which is putting the carriage ahead of the horse. But anyway, since morons like Hovind don't check their facts, they often overlook other similarities, such as similarities in error. We share the exact same defective vitamin C gene with the other primates.

 

Now what do you suppose the odds are of two species having an identical negative mutation? Surely the designer wouldn't have created them with the same pseudogene. That would strongly negate the idea of an intelligent designer.

 

Only common descent can account for common pseudogenes.

 

 

Here's a reference for you to read when you're done being stupid...

29+ Evidences for Macroevolution

 

Pseudogenes are covered rightchere.

[♦ nivek ♦]

Wow..

 

Who gives a shit?

 

We are here in the immediate, the "Now", with our common future ahead of us.

 

If you care to spend yer time worrying about all of your posts questions, you seriously need to go out, breath, get drunk and/or laid... Jebusfuckmooseballs, talk about *braincrampage*..

 

Who cares where we came from? That part has panned out and happened.

 

What is more important is how we handle what we do and what direction we desire to *go*..

 

n

[zfunkman]

1. Where did the space for the universe come from?

 

2. Where did matter come from?

 

3. Where did the laws of the universe come from (gravity, inertia, etc.)?

 

4. How did matter get so perfectly organized?

 

5. Where did the energy come from to do all the organizing?

 

6. When, where, why, and how did life come from dead matter?

 

7. When, where, why, and how did life learn to reproduce itself?

 

8. With what did the first cell capable of sexual reproduction reproduce?

 

9. Why would any plant or animal want to reproduce more of its kind since this would only make more mouths to feed and decrease the chances of survival? (Does the individual have a drive to survive, or the species? How do you explain this?)

 

10. How can mutations (recombining of the genetic code) create any new, improved varieties? (Recombining English letters will never produce Chinese books.)

 

11. Is it possible that similarities in design between different animals prove a common Creator instead of a common ancestor?

 

12. Natural selection only works with the genetic information available and tends only to keep a species stable. How would you explain the increasing complexity in the genetic code that must have occurred if evolution were true?

 

13. When, where, why, and how did: a) Single-celled plants become multicelled? (Where are the two- and threecelled intermediates?) Single-celled animals evolve? c) Fish change to amphibians? d) Amphibians change to reptiles? e) Reptiles change to birds? (The lungs, bones, eyes, reproductive organs, heart, method of locomotion, body covering, etc., are all very different!) How did the intermediate forms live?

 

14. When, where, why, how, and from what did: a) Whales evolve? Sea horses evolve? c) Bats evolve? d) Eyes evolve? e) Ears evolve? f) Hair, skin, feathers, scales, nails, claws, etc., evolve?

 

15. Which evolved first (how, and how long, did it work without the others)? a) The digestive system, the food to be digested, the appetite, the ability to find and eat the food, the digestive juices, or the body’s resistance to its own digestive juice (stomach, intestines, etc.)? The drive to reproduce or the ability to reproduce? c) The lungs, the mucus lining to protect them, the throat, or the perfect mixture of gases to be breathed into the lungs? d) DNA or RNA to carry the DNA message to cell parts? e) The termite or the flagella in its intestines that actually digest the cellulose? f) The plants or the insects that live on and pollinate the plants? g) The bones, ligaments, tendons, blood supply, or muscles to move the bones? h) The nervous system, repair system, or hormone system? i) The immune system or the need for it?

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If anyone actully answered these "questions" honestly they would have to answer "I don't know"; whichin any way, shape or form does this give the bible any validity. There is no book ever written that could possibly even come close to answering these questions. But...If you do a little research on your own you could probably find some answers to some questions. Oh, and by the way, I have read the bible, so I know the answers are not in there.

[MrSpooky]

Bruce is entirely correct in his statement that the first six questions are NOT about evolution (so is 7 quite frankly), they are about Cosmology and Abiogenesis, and are questions of astrophysics and chemistry respectively, NOT biology.

 

I will go into your questions briefly, but I recommend you please focus on one question at a time in the future. Machine-gunning your way through science inevitably leads to confusion in details.

 

 

 

8. With what did the first cell capable of sexual reproduction reproduce?

 

Believe it or not, there are certain intermediate stages between sexual and asexual reproduction. Some species have only one, some have both. It seems to be a phylogenetically early development, and as a species begins to acquire the enhanced ability to sexually reproduce, it loses its asexual abilities. Heck, if I remember correctly, we know of plenty of plants that switch back and forth.

 

There are distinct advantages to sexuality, particularly the incredible variety of genetics that is introduced into the population.

 

 

 

9. Why would any plant or animal want to reproduce more of its kind since this would only make more mouths to feed and decrease the chances of survival? (Does the individual have a drive to survive, or the species? How do you explain this?)

 

If by "want," you mean "biologically inclined to do so," an organism has the critical need to reproduce. Reproduction is one of the most important things in the welfare of a population, which is why in many ways females are more important than males... have 100 females and 1 male, you're pretty safe. 100 males and 1 female, you're screwed because your ability to reproduce is severely limited.

 

The "more mouths to feed" is feasible only in situations of shortage. While this does occur, overall there is a homeostasis of populations that allow a balance that is more or less just right, with fluctuations up and down. Deer may have reproduced a lot, then the wolf population will mow them down. With a very low population of deer, the wolf population begins to die back a little. This is the back-and-forth that you have to take into account.

 

 

 

10. How can mutations (recombining of the genetic code) create any new, improved varieties? (Recombining English letters will never produce Chinese books.)

 

All it takes is a single mutation that is beneficial in a certain environment and the organism will be better adapted. Your mistake seems to be assuming that there is a clear-cut line between what constitutes what one "variety" is from another "variety."

 

And recombining english letters will never produce Chinese books, but recombining DNA with more DNA with a few errors and kinks in the process will produce some very interesting results.

 

 

 

11. Is it possible that similarities in design between different animals prove a common Creator instead of a common ancestor?

 

It's certainly possible, but how PLAUSIBLE it is is another question entirely. There has been no evidence so far that there has been a Creator. It really is an extraneous element that doesn't have any evidence to back it up.

 

 

 

12. Natural selection only works with the genetic information available and tends only to keep a species stable. How would you explain the increasing complexity in the genetic code that must have occurred if evolution were true?

 

Correction: natural selection works on PHENOTYPES, NOT the genetic code.

 

There are plenty of instances of increasing complexity. Polyploidy can add new chromosomes (which is a HUGE bump up in genetic material) and transposons can be re-copied in the transcription of genetic code to increase complexity. There are also gene families and whatnot to take into account. Plenty of things increase the size of the genome, and mutations will take care of the variability.

 

 

 

13. When, where, why, and how did: a) Single-celled plants become multicelled? (Where are the two- and threecelled intermediates?) cool.gif Single-celled animals evolve? c) Fish change to amphibians? d) Amphibians change to reptiles? e) Reptiles change to birds? (The lungs, bones, eyes, reproductive organs, heart, method of locomotion, body covering, etc., are all very different!) How did the intermediate forms live?

 

a) There are intermediates between single-celled and multi-celled. The intermediates aren't based on number, they're based on ability to adhere together as a group and later specialize in tissues. We see this in Volvox, which is on the verge of becoming multicellular, and sponges, which are huge cellular colonies that don't have true tissues yet.

 

This is a problem of Abiogenesis. Again, not in evolution yet.

 

c) Quoting TalkOrigins...

 

"Few people realize that the fish-amphibian transition was not a transition from water to land. It was a transition from fins to feet that took place in the water. The very first amphibians seem to have developed legs and feet to scud around on the bottom in the water, as some modern fish do, not to walk on land (see Edwards, 1989). This aquatic-feet stage meant the fins didn't have to change very quickly, the weight-bearing limb musculature didn't have to be very well developed, and the axial musculature didn't have to change at all. Recently found fragmented fossils from the middle Upper Devonian, and new discoveries of late Upper Devonian feet (see below), support this idea of an "aquatic feet" stage. Eventually, of course, amphibians did move onto the land. This involved attaching the pelvis more firmly to the spine, and separating the shoulder from the skull. Lungs were not a problem, since lungs are an ancient fish trait and were present already."

 

http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/faq-transitional/part1a.html

 

d) Again from TalkOrigins...

 

"FOUND: Unnamed proto-anthracosaur -- described by Bolt et al., 1988. This animal combines primitive features of palaeostegalians (e.g. temnospondyl-like vertebrae) with new anthracosaur-like features. Anthracosaurs were the group of large amphibians that are thought to have led, eventually, to the reptiles. Found in a new Lower Carboniferous site in Iowa, from about 320 Ma."

 

And more... http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/faq-transitional/part1b.html

 

e) Your assertion that reptiles and birds are different is false, and partially true. A distinct BRANCH of reptiles are believed to have evolved into birds. Again, from TalkOrigins...

 

" In the mid-1800's, this was one of the most significant gaps in vertebrate fossil evolution. No transitional fossils at all were known, and the two groups seemed impossibly different. Then the exciting discovery of Archeopteryx in 1861 showed clearly that the two groups were in fact related. Since then, some other reptile-bird links have been found. On the whole, though, this is still a gappy transition, consisting of a very large-scale series of "cousin" fossils. I have not included Mononychus (as it appears to be a digger, not a flier, well off the line to modern birds). See Feduccia (1980) and Rayner (1989) for more discussion of the evolution of flight, and Chris Nedin's excellent Archeopteryx FAQ for more info on that critter."

 

Same link as above.

 

Dinosaur to bird transitional fossils...

 

 

 

 

14. When, where, why, how, and from what did: a) Whales evolve? cool.gif Sea horses evolve? c) Bats evolve? d) Eyes evolve? e) Ears evolve? f) Hair, skin, feathers, scales, nails, claws, etc., evolve?

 

Sweet god, you're seriously Machine-Gunning here. If you want an answer, you're going to have to handle detail, and I can't do it on a thread with all this other stuff you're asking. START A NEW THREAD ABOUT A DISCRETE TOPIC. I'll address two of these, because I know about them already. If you want to genuinely know about the others, start a new thread or do the research yourself.

 

Eyes: We not only have a model for how an eye can evolve piece-by-piece, we also see eyes in a range of development in modern species. Flatworms have primitive dishes of photoreceptors, while other critters have eyes that have become more deeply indented and are now hollow spheres without lenses.

 

http://www.aps.org/units/dbp/newsletter/jun02.pdf

 

Whales: Here is the set of transitional fossils for land creature to whales...

 

 

Here's a site on feathers. Read it yourself.

 

http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/feathers.html

 

 

 

15. Which evolved first (how, and how long, did it work without the others)? a) The digestive system, the food to be digested, the appetite, the ability to find and eat the food, the digestive juices, or the body’s resistance to its own digestive juice (stomach, intestines, etc.)? cool.gif The drive to reproduce or the ability to reproduce? c) The lungs, the mucus lining to protect them, the throat, or the perfect mixture of gases to be breathed into the lungs? d) DNA or RNA to carry the DNA message to cell parts? e) The termite or the flagella in its intestines that actually digest the cellulose? f) The plants or the insects that live on and pollinate the plants? g) The bones, ligaments, tendons, blood supply, or muscles to move the bones? h) The nervous system, repair system, or hormone system? i) The immune system or the need for it?

 

Machiiiiiiine guuuuuunniiiiiiiing.

 

Quite obviously, DNA evolved first.

 

Second to come was the digestive system (as seen as a sack in Cnidaria and corals, then slightly more developed as tubes in flatworms and earthworms), the nervous system came a little afterwards, as we can see a very primitive nerve net in flatworms.

 

Bony fish, the Osteichthyes, have both lungs AND bones. The rest of the stuff you post isn't really interrelated across the species you seem to be focusing on, and it looks more like you're trying to bait us with the thought "Ha! This'll stump them!" rather than an honest inquiry.

 

Sorry if I'm a little cranky, I'm just a little tired after spending all this time addressing these questions.

[MrSpooky]

FUCK. I spent half an hour typing up that respose just to answer some script kiddie that stole from HOVIND?

 

You owe me half an hour of my life back, INKOGNITO.

[SmallStone]

First of all, here's where you got that list.  Not crediting your source is called plagiarism.  It's okay, though.  We'll let that slide.  I know it's embarrassing to admit that you cut and pasted something from Kent Hovind's website.rightchere.

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Plagiarizing Hovind? I almost feel sorry for you now INKOGNITO.

[Java]

10. How can mutations (recombining of the genetic code) create any new, improved varieties? (Recombining English letters will never produce Chinese books.)

 

Sure it can. DNA has four letters, right? Binary has two: on and off. If you've ever seen a hex editor you'll realize that english letters on a computer are represented by a number in binary, so A is 0001, B is 0010, so on and so forth. Chinese letters on a computer are saves the same way, but a different binary string translated into a different letter, so 0000001 is the ideogram for "water" or something. It's just the work of scrambling the binary (the DNA) and applying a different translating style.

 

...I think. o_O;;

[Mr. Neil]

Sweet god, you're seriously Machine-Gunning here.

FUCK.  I spent half an hour typing up that respose just to answer some script kiddie that stole from HOVIND?

 

Sorry, Spook. I tried to post fast enough to save everyone a lot of effort. I recognized it immediately.

 

Actually, I thought that machine-gunning was a dead giveaway. Everyone knows that's a trademark Hovind technique.

[atheist_thinker]

Dude, just keep your head in the sand. You obviously failed science.

[Ouroboros]

1. Where did the space for the universe come from?

 

Where was it before "God" created it?

 

2. Where did matter come from?

 

Where did "God" get it from?

 

3. Where did the laws of the universe come from (gravity, inertia, etc.)?

 

How did "God" create them?

 

4. How did matter get so perfectly organized?

 

Why are some people stupid and NOT Intelligent and unorganized?

 

5. Where did the energy come from to do all the organizing?

 

Where did "God" get it from?

 

6. When, where, why, and how did life come from dead matter?

 

When, where, why and how did "God" come alive?

What's the purpose of God, if everything has to have a purpose?

 

7. When, where, why, and how did life learn to reproduce itself?

 

It didn't learn, it's just a natural law.

 

8. With what did the first cell capable of sexual reproduction reproduce?

 

With matter.

 

9. Why would any plant or animal want to reproduce more of its kind since this would only make more mouths to feed and decrease the chances of survival? (Does the individual have a drive to survive, or the species? How do you explain this?)

 

Why would "God" make that a law in nature if it is so stupid to do it?

Maybe he wasn't so intelligent after all.

 

etc, etc.

 

Every question you have can be turned to a question back to you.

You don't have any better explanations for the world being created then not.

Every explanation you have to God being the creator will be based on faith and not logic. Like "God can do anything, he can create matter from nothing.".

Which is not a better explanation than to say that the matter alwasy has existed.

 

There are new theories about how the universe came to, ideas emerged from superstring theory etc. And it states that there are parallel universes that occasionally collide and create immense amounts of energy bursts.

 

Would you say that there couldn't be parallel universes when you believe there is a heaven and hell in some other dimension. It's true that science not have the whole picture of how everything came to be, but it tries to make sense of it from an objective observer, not by shortcutting their explanations. If God exists, they only try to find out how God did it, and with what kind of tools. If evolution was a tool in Gods hands, then let it be so, don't try to riddicule Gods work then!

 

If God exist, and you go to heaven one day, and you will as him "How did you create the world?" and God answer: "I started with a big bang, and then I created the laws of evolution to bring life."

 

Where will your logic be then?

 

You can't explain God existence because you don't agree to observed phenomena in nature. Faith in God has to logic, explanation or scientific proof. Faith is just faith, and so it should stay.

[Ouroboros]

10. How can mutations (recombining of the genetic code) create any new, improved varieties? (Recombining English letters will never produce Chinese books.)

 

This has been proven with computer simulations. There are books teaching you in writing genetic software, that actually solves problems we can't solve with regular algebra.

 

One of the first, large scale successes, was a company that deal with oil pipes. The pipes have several common sources and are split up on the way to different drop points. For years it was impossible to write software to control the pressure in these pipes, until they made a software totally based on generic evolution process, and that had a 30% better efficiency than any software made before.

 

How do you explain that?

 

Besides, this kind of software is used in medical research too today, with success. There is no doubt that genetic mutation models work.

 

11. Is it possible that similarities in design between different animals prove a common Creator instead of a common ancestor?

 

The gorillas have (IIRC) 95% common pseudo genes with humans. Does it prove that God created the gorillas first as an experiment to see if the DNA structure would work? Interesting enough is that the pseudo genes doesn't have any function but are only remnants from earlier ancestors.

 

Would God create that in us just to confuse us?

Would God be mocking us and being fraudulent?

 

The rest of your questions, "when, where, how".

Do you ask christian for the same detailed and rigorous report for how the Bible came to?

 

When, where, who, what, why, how and howcome was the book of Genesis written?

Where's the original papyrus or stonetablet with the authors signature?

And where is Moses grave?

[Ouroboros]

INKOGNETO,

 

Seeing all your questions, I start to think that you are a true seeker.

 

You haven't found the truth yet, and are still searching for the real faith.

 

Come to our community of real believers, and leave the heretic ways.

 

Come to the true light of Almighty Bob, and his son Jebus.

 

Let the Holy Jack Daniels come over you and show you that his prophet Mumble was right when he told us that Bob created the world in 268 years and 22 days.

 

If you won't come to the true insight, the Neville with take you and fry you over a rotisserie for eternal times.

 

Bob Bless!

[white_raven23]

1. Where did the space for the universe come from?

 

2. Where did matter come from?

 

3. Where did the laws of the universe come from (gravity, inertia, etc.)?

 

4. How did matter get so perfectly organized?

 

5. Where did the energy come from to do all the organizing?

 

6. When, where, why, and how did life come from dead matter?

 

7. When, where, why, and how did life learn to reproduce itself?

 

8. With what did the first cell capable of sexual reproduction reproduce?

 

9. Why would any plant or animal want to reproduce more of its kind since this would only make more mouths to feed and decrease the chances of survival? (Does the individual have a drive to survive, or the species? How do you explain this?)

 

10. How can mutations (recombining of the genetic code) create any new, improved varieties? (Recombining English letters will never produce Chinese books.)

 

11. Is it possible that similarities in design between different animals prove a common Creator instead of a common ancestor?

 

12. Natural selection only works with the genetic information available and tends only to keep a species stable. How would you explain the increasing complexity in the genetic code that must have occurred if evolution were true?

 

13. When, where, why, and how did: a) Single-celled plants become multicelled? (Where are the two- and threecelled intermediates?) Single-celled animals evolve? c) Fish change to amphibians? d) Amphibians change to reptiles? e) Reptiles change to birds? (The lungs, bones, eyes, reproductive organs, heart, method of locomotion, body covering, etc., are all very different!) How did the intermediate forms live?

 

14. When, where, why, how, and from what did: a) Whales evolve? Sea horses evolve? c) Bats evolve? d) Eyes evolve? e) Ears evolve? f) Hair, skin, feathers, scales, nails, claws, etc., evolve?

 

15. Which evolved first (how, and how long, did it work without the others)? a) The digestive system, the food to be digested, the appetite, the ability to find and eat the food, the digestive juices, or the body’s resistance to its own digestive juice (stomach, intestines, etc.)? The drive to reproduce or the ability to reproduce? c) The lungs, the mucus lining to protect them, the throat, or the perfect mixture of gases to be breathed into the lungs? d) DNA or RNA to carry the DNA message to cell parts? e) The termite or the flagella in its intestines that actually digest the cellulose? f) The plants or the insects that live on and pollinate the plants? g) The bones, ligaments, tendons, blood supply, or muscles to move the bones? h) The nervous system, repair system, or hormone system? i) The immune system or the need for it?

 

 

Simple answer. God.

But not a god as anyone is yet capable of comprehending.

And sure as HELL not that infantile sadisctic jackass represented in books.

[Ouroboros]

MrSpooky,

 

DAMN!

 

I was so rallied up that I wrote my reply without reading the other replies, and what the heck is HOVIND? Please tell me.

 

F**K!

[Ouroboros]

Simple answer. God.

But not a god as anyone is yet capable of comprehending.

And sure as HELL not that infantile sadisctic jackass represented in books.

 

That's a good answer too.

[MrSpooky]

MrSpooky,

 

DAMN!

 

I was so rallied up that I wrote my reply without reading the other replies, and what the heck is HOVIND? Please tell me.

 

F**K!

 

Hovind is quite possibly the most incompetent Creation "scientist" out there who bases his arguments on lies, mistruths, and selective omissions. He got his fake PhD from the unaccredited "Patriot University," which to my knowledge is just a two-story house somewhere in the midwest. Even OTHER CREATIONISTS won't work with him because he's so full of shit. (see Answers in Genesis)

 

Sadly, he's also one who is very often cited by Creationists and IDers.

[lalli]

As much as I'd love to be able to answer your questions, INKOGNETO, my training is in maths and not biology - nevermind that as Bruce pointed out, the first 6 questions are more physics than biology - and unlike some people out there *cough*kenthovind*cough*, I'm nice enough to be comfortable saying "I don't know" when I don't know enough to answer a question.

 

So please forgive me for instead pointing you to Mr. Neil and MrSpooky's excellent answers, which were, if I may say so myself, rather better researched than the questions.

 

Now let me ask you, how would you answer those same questions?

[Thurisaz]

1. Where did the space for the universe come from?

 

[...]

 

 

All answered/refuted a thousand times per day for the last 5 million years.

[LloydDobler]

the perfect mixture of gases to be breathed into the lungs?

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What's so perfect about it? The human body can tolerate a HUGE variation in the oxygen content of air. Like 20%. Otherwise everyone who lives here in denver would suffocate.

 

Also, what would you expect from an evolved species? You seem to think the air was tailor made for our lungs. It wasn't. In reality any animal that DIDN'T evolve lungs for this atmosphere just died or stayed under water. Only the ones that could breathe it survived in it.

[Mr. Neil]

Sadly, [Hovind]'s also one who is very often cited by Creationists and IDers.

That's because creatos don't care about facts. When you're a creationist, any argument will do, as long as it attacks evolution.

[Ro-bear]

What a surprise; plagiarist boy has pooped and flown like so many seagulls before him.

 

There is another possibility: our new friend is Hovind himself! No, I mustn't get our hopes up.

 

My hat is off to the ever-vigilant Mr. Neil, who quickly exposed this tomfoolery before it could raise my bp to dangerously high levels.

 

It is rather disingenuous to assume that because science hasn't answered all questions to our satisfaction a primitive one-size-fits-all theory has added merit.

 

If your god exists, perhaps he will prove it by providing you with the detailed answers. Oh, wait; that would "take away our free will, wouldn't it?" Never mind.