Ronald Reagan

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"Are you entitled to the fruits of your labor

or does government have some presumptive right

to spend and spend and spend?"

-- Ronald Reagan

(1911-2004) 40th US President

http://quotes.liberty-tree.ca/quote_blog/R...agan.Quote.B6D6

 

 

"Have we the courage and the will to face up to the immorality and

discrimination of the progressive tax, and demand a return to

traditional proportionate taxation? ...

Today in our country the tax collector's share is 37 cents

of every dollar earned. Freedom has never been so fragile,

so close to slipping from our grasp."

-- Ronald Reagan

(1911-2004) 40th US President

http://quotes.liberty-tree.ca/quote_blog/R...agan.Quote.B6D2

 

 

"Government does not tax to get the money it needs;

government always finds a need for the money it gets."

-- Ronald Reagan

(1911-2004) 40th US President

http://quotes.liberty-tree.ca/quote_blog/R...agan.Quote.B6D8

[Vigile]

Reagan was full of shit. He talked low taxes and spent money and grew the government like there was no tomorrow. You can't have it both ways. (watch the right hand, don't pay attention to what I'm doing with my left)

 

Reagan was probably the worst thing that happened to this country until Bush came along and made it even worse.

[PandaPirate]

Well said.

 

Vigile, did you read Tear Down This Myth: How the Reagan Legacy Has Distorted Our Politics and Haunts Our Future?

[par4dcourse]

I'm with you Vigile. Few people have the ability to piss me off just by the mention of their names, and Trickle-Down Ronnie is one of them.

[PandaPirate]

Trickle down. Exactly. Why do people not understand this basic concept?

[RubyHypatia]

I'd feel a lot better if we had a Reagan in the White House. At least he wouldn't be afraid to use the phrase, "War on Terror."

[PandaPirate]

How can you have a war on terror? War itself is terror.

[RubyHypatia]

How can you have a war on terror? War itself is terror.

 

I am no fan of war. I do believe in freedom and unfortunately war has been necessary to gain/preserve that freedom. It would be nice if liberty could always be accomplished the Ghandi way. I've learned from history that it is human nature to both desire freedom and to deny it to others. We have to be willing to fight for it because there are those willing to take it away.

[Vigile]

How can you have a war on terror? War itself is terror.

 

I am no fan of war. I do believe in freedom and unfortunately war has been necessary to gain/preserve that freedom. It would be nice if liberty could always be accomplished the Ghandi way. I've learned from history that it is human nature to both desire freedom and to deny it to others. We have to be willing to fight for it because there are those willing to take it away.

 

If you are a fan of history you will probably notice that the biggest offenders of freedom and the biggest killers of people have more often than not been one's own government, not invading hoards.

 

You don't really believe desert dwellers still caught in some form of dark age can steal freedom from Western society do you?

[Vomit Comet]

You don't really believe desert dwellers still caught in some form of dark age can steal freedom from Western society do you?

 

No kidding.

[Japedo]

I'd feel a lot better if we had a Reagan in the White House. At least he wouldn't be afraid to use the phrase, "War on Terror."

 

 

Wow who knew people would actually call stopping a known propaganda catchphrase, "Fear". The war on Terrah is the same as the war on drugs. A lot of Feel good verbiage for over emotional flag wavers Real Americans.

[godsfavoritecolor]

I pay a good chunk of taxes, but I don’t whine about it. Most of the tax whiners are people who have more left over after taxes than most of the rest of us.

 

I have a proposal for all tax whiners. You may stop paying all taxes IF you do not use any of our nation’s roads, no police or fire protection, no state infrastructure or government services of any kind, no military protection, no communication services, etc., etc. In addition, paint a large bull’s eye on your house so that foreign and domestic terrorists will know where to find easy pickings.

 

Feel free to add to the above list.

[RubyHypatia]

Do I think desert dwellers caught in a dark age are a threat to us? They were on 9/11. If they're no threat, why doesn't Obama pull all troops from Afghanistan? Could it be that we don't want that threat to grow? Naziism didn't start as a big threat, but it grew into one.

[RubyHypatia]

I pay a good chunk of taxes, but I don’t whine about it. Most of the tax whiners are people who have more left over after taxes than most of the rest of us.

 

I have a proposal for all tax whiners. You may stop paying all taxes IF you do not use any of our nation’s roads, no police or fire protection, no state infrastructure or government services of any kind, no military protection, no communication services, etc., etc. In addition, paint a large bull’s eye on your house so that foreign and domestic terrorists will know where to find easy pickings.

 

Feel free to add to the above list.

 

I don't mind paying taxes for roads, schools, police, etc. I don't want to pay taxes to bail out failing companies. I don't want to pay taxes for a museum that is half way across the country from me, that I will never step foot in. I don't want to pay taxes that goes to support people who refuse to work. I'm all for the safety net so long as it is not used as a hammock.

[woodsmoke]

The thing about the rise of the Third Reich? Conditions were ripe for it precisely because the rest of Europe had been using Germany as its whipping boy in the aftermath of the first world war. Just like the U.S. has been doing to most of the undeveloped world for the past 100+ years.

 

You want Arab and Islamic radicals to stop attacking us? Get our government to stop bending their nations over a barrel for our economic benefit. I guarantee that will work a lot faster and better than sending the troops in.

 

I pay a good chunk of taxes, but I don’t whine about it. Most of the tax whiners are people who have more left over after taxes than most of the rest of us.

 

I have a proposal for all tax whiners. You may stop paying all taxes IF you do not use any of our nation’s roads, no police or fire protection, no state infrastructure or government services of any kind, no military protection, no communication services, etc., etc. In addition, paint a large bull’s eye on your house so that foreign and domestic terrorists will know where to find easy pickings.

How much of your taxes do you think actually goes to infrastructure maintenance and civil service wages? I'm willing to bet it's about 25%, maximum. The vast majority of it goes into social security and medicare/medicaid, none of which I'm opposed to on principle, but if we're going to be paying that much into social health and welfare programs anyway, I'd much prefer they were more like those found in northern Europe. Currently, we pay in a truly obscene amount compared to the returns we see, and the government takes out with the vague "promise" it'll pay it back someday in the next century or three, if we're still here to bug it about it and even then only if it feels like it. I don't know about you, but that's not a government I care to support with my tax dollars.

[godsfavoritecolor]

How much of your taxes do you think actually goes to infrastructure maintenance and civil service wages? I'm willing to bet it's about 25%, maximum. The vast majority of it goes into social security and medicare/medicaid, none of which I'm opposed to on principle, but if we're going to be paying that much into social health and welfare programs anyway, I'd much prefer they were more like those found in northern Europe. Currently, we pay in a truly obscene amount compared to the returns we see, and the government takes out with the vague "promise" it'll pay it back someday in the next century or three, if we're still here to bug it about it and even then only if it feels like it. I don't know about you, but that's not a government I care to support with my tax dollars.

 

Government waste is another problem. I’ve seen it up close. But, many of the tax whiners are pigs at the trough of government waste. Social security can be taken care of by removing the upper limit for withholding.

[godsfavoritecolor]

I don't mind paying taxes for roads, schools, police, etc. I don't want to pay taxes to bail out failing companies. I don't want to pay taxes for a museum that is half way across the country from me, that I will never step foot in. I don't want to pay taxes that goes to support people who refuse to work. I'm all for the safety net so long as it is not used as a hammock.

 

My sister is a trained x-ray technician. She can only get part time work because of her age. Is she a part time refuser to work? My niece had a job in housing construction. She was laid off and now works part time as a fork lift operator. Is she a part time refuser to work? My nephew was fired after twenty years as an appliance salesman. He is unable to find another job. Is he a refuser to work? My son had a degree in computer science from a prestigious university. In 2000 he lost his job and tried to find another one for four years. Now he’s dead. So I guess he’s not a refuser to work.

 

How many people do you know personally who won’t work? I am tired of hearing this sh*t about lazy people in this country that won’t work because they are unable to find work.

 

I regard the corporate hierarchy in this country as refusers to work. If they gave full value for the compensation they receive, they would have to work 4000 hours per week!!!

[Japedo]

Where were all the GOP anti-Tax people when W was on his horrific 8 year UNCHECKED spending spree?

 

 

They cheered us into a war we must now pay for (Paid for via tax payers)

 

 

They cheered Expansion of government by almost double in departments, manpower, and equipment (Paid for via tax payers)

 

Many Cheered on W giving bailouts (Paid for via tax payers) saying that people who have money will pay those who need money or some sort of twisted logic like that.

 

They cheered and sang praises about TAX CUTS!!! TAX CUTS!!! TAX CUTS!!!, and spent money like irresponsible teenagers who found a million bucks.

 

Now all of a sudden the despicable GOPers find some sort of backbone to PROTEST with tea???

 

 

 

 

 

Give me a break, To late came the cry! Way to late. So long as it was the GOPers picking our pockets it was Anti-American to bitch about it, now that the GOP no longer gets say... well of course it's socialism forced by the non-american anti-Christ with no birth certificate.. Color me disgusted, this faux rage would be near side splitting if it wasn't to horrific!

[RubyHypatia]

I don't know what all went into the rise of Naziism. I did talk to a coworker who was from Germany. She said her parents described the German people at that time as generally feeling superior and deserving of becoming an empire. To me it's all about power. The terrorists like to state that their actions are for noble reasons. I don't buy it. I think it's again about power. They want to advance their religion and their culture. The West stands in the way. Since they can't beat us on the battlefield, they resort to terrorism. JMO.

[Outback Jack]

You want Arab and Islamic radicals to stop attacking us? Get our government to stop bending their nations over a barrel for our economic benefit.

Then how do you explain the bombing of a Philippine airliner, the Bali bombings of 2002 and 2005?

[RubyHypatia]

Godsfavoritecolor, I never said I was against unemployment compensation. I can't speak to any particular person who is currently unemployed. I do know there are people who take more than they give. And this is why Socialism will never work.

[godsfavoritecolor]

Out of time. Check back tomorrow morning.

[Deva]

I don't know what all went into the rise of Naziism. I did talk to a coworker who was from Germany. She said her parents described the German people at that time as generally feeling superior and deserving of becoming an empire. To me it's all about power. The terrorists like to state that their actions are for noble reasons. I don't buy it. I think it's again about power. They want to advance their religion and their culture. The West stands in the way. Since they can't beat us on the battlefield, they resort to terrorism. JMO.

 

What was behind it, to the best of my knowledge, was World War I and the humiliation of Germany's defeat, coupled with the Wiemar Republic and the unprecedented inflation of the German currency during that time, the like of which we in the U.S. have yet to see (but might soon enough). A billion marks for a loaf of bread type of inflation.

 

Hitler promised a lot and quite honestly, in the beginning, he delivered. What people want is bread and circuses, after all.

[RubyHypatia]

Many Republicans spoke out against Bush's bailout. The one bailout was bad enough, but government spending is getting way out of hand. I hate that our kids will be stuck with the massive debt. As for the Iraq war, I'm glad the kids have one less evil dictator in the world to deal with. Sadam was arguably the worst dictator of his time. His regine was modeled on Hitler's To me the Iraq war was a good investment.

[Japedo]

What's the hangup on Hitler and Germany? If your not aware of how they rose to power, then you really have no right using them as examples. In Yoda speak: Talking points does not an argument make.

 

Saddam, WORST Dictator huh? To bad it was the US Government that PUT HIM IN POWER to start with! We put him there then took him out. Here's a nice picture of Rumsfeld shanking hands with the worst dictator of his time. I wonder what that say's about Rumsfeld.. :wtf:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

As far as the Faux crying about "Socialism" What about looking at it this way..

 

How do you purpose in reconstructing the US Military so it's not so Socialist? I mean, everything from their pay checks , housing allowance, and sometimes even food,(including discounts) to their health care. In some cases they are selling FREE COLLEGE (meaning paid for by tax payers) for those kids who are to poor to afford college. They also have to defend the Constitution but don't get the benefits of it while serving. Guess you don't have so much problem for socialism under that guise, am I right? Question is, Why isn't the Anti-S (read GOPers) crowd protesting the Military? Cake and eat it too........ or?

 

You're right ruby some republicans did speak out against W and the bailouts, I also heard a lot of side stepping and apologetics of we just can't all this economy to crash, we must DO something by MOST in that party. Mainly, If the CEO's crash, we all crash mantra.

 

I'm against the bailouts, by BOTH men.... I find it near hysterical that the GOP all of a sudden finds their spine. The wounded "R"s poor little souls.... everyone wants to take from them. They didn't think much of disdainers who were forced to pay for the neocon wargames. I remember when the shoe was on the other foot and we were told to LIKE IT OR LEAVE the COUNTRY. Guess they can live by their own sword and their own standards they attempted to force on the rest of us.

 

Here's another question, Why don't the GOPers just refuse to pay their taxes, stop paying in to social security, stop receiving Medicare and the like? Do something real instead of dressing up acting like they are making a difference. This "Tea" day was nothing more then Sour grapes day.. nothing more then protesting using tinfoil antics. Today had very little to do with Taxes. I remember lots of GOPers saying Bush wasn't responsible for 9/11 because he was only in office 9 MONTHS... How odd they don't apply the same standard they tried to once plead for against their opponent, who's been in office even less time. Another glaring example of gross hypocrisy!

 

 

 

Republicans are good for one thing, Changing like the wind... with their talking points. Standards nor integrity need not apply...

 

Signed,

 

From a former Broken glass Republican & Card carrying donating member of the GOP,

 

Jap

 

 

My dislike for the party, is much like my dislike for Christianity, I was once a blind sheep and choose to listen to what I was told instead of seeing what it really was. Yeah I'm pretty pissed at the party, I've gotten over my bitterness from Christianity, Republicanism is going to take me a lot longer to get over I fear. I took part in screwing over the country AND the world, for that I'm ashamed and will do everything in my power to counter their spin cycle of lies.