God's "message" to humans?

[Ssel]

..(the word "first" is to be taken literally. The word "5612nd" is not to be taken literally)

So?

And there it is once again.

SOoooo.... I must have been be right. And again proves that statistics are SO often misleading.

 

Much like the "proof that God exists" when no one allows a definition of what God is. Any attempt to discuss the existence of sentience falls into the same trap.

 

If and when I attempt explanations, I get very little more than ad hominid responses much like yours or complete silence. At times with a few, we can actually have a reasonable exchange.

 

One thing that is missing in all of these debates and arguments is anyone honestly and openly acknowledging when the other has truly found and corrected an error. This is uncommon because it actually takes honor and the courage to say "Ok, yes, I see where I was wrong, thank you"

 

Instead apparently to save face, most people just try to obscure the issue and/or move on. The only problem with this is that the one sorting out the errors and trying to explain has nothing to look forward to but more errors to sort and no sign of progress.

 

Even when the progress is there, he doesn't get to see it.

 

From my perspective you presented some erroneous logic with appended ad hominid amateur psychoanalysis. I politely straighten out the logic issue and the rest was merely about me verses you.

 

I see now as a reply what appears to be no more than attempts to save face. But the critical issue is that I am certain that you have no idea of what sentience is made and will only argue if I present an explanation.

 

To avoid argument, YOU decide what you think it is made of. If I happen to agree, then I will continue and explain how it is in Reality. But I'm not going to argue.

 

The isn't a debate. If you can't simply exchange pros and cons and see that sometimes you or I will make a logical error without your psycho-innuendo intellectualisms, then why bother?

 

On a side note: I can't avoid but noticing that you are just ignoring Nivek and Antlerman. Could you explain me why it is so?

I don't think I'm ignoring them and I don't think that they think I'm ignoring them. I think this is just another accusing ploy that you seem to repeat.

[Ssel]

Speaking of nivek's request that I speak more simply (which I replied to and did NOT ignore), I have found a simple way to put a part of my "message".

 

In the proper nivek vernacular;

 

"You have been being mind fucked since the day you were born"

 

To get out of the extreme degree of deceptions that you have been immersed in;

1) Work AGAINST hyper-emotionalism. Thought is destroyed by over concern.

 

2) Realize that the deceptions are NOT merely coming from the Christian. "Believe nothing that you hear, and only half of what you see."

 

3) There IS something to gain from holding onto logic.

 

The social effort for the past 35 years has been to create social energy through chaos of thought and emotion. This is an orchestrated effect with rationales. But my objection is that you were not asked to be a participant in this game but rather cast into it by the presumptuous theories of others.

 

IF it can be seen that a better and more honest way is available, then that better way should be taken. But trying to see anything clearly once the chaos mongering has set clouds in every mind isn't a simple thing.

[Ssel]

Perhaps this addresses the topic header a little better...

 

1. Why did a perfect God allow sin to be created?

Without challenge there can be no growth nor perfecting. Evil and Sin are concerns only to those who are in a growth stage. They are the challenge to either learn how to properly deal or fade away for not trying.

 

2. What was the purpose of the Flood?

When do you decide to repair and when do you decide to replace? God (Reality) will only accept Man when Man can finally stand on Hisown and accept Reality.

 

3. Why does a loving, forgiving, perfect, omnipotent god need a sacrifice of blood for sin?

"Blood" represents a highly passionate concern from the heart. Basically it means that you're genuine and serious. God (Reality) requires that you grow up and get serious because playing and pretending won't cut it.

 

From "Lust in the Mind"..

... I was too often tempted to quote a man I once heard, “God created the entire universe, then saw within it the most powerful destructive assembly and spoke to it saying ‘This universe is as my toilet and you are in charge of the handle, I don’t want to ever see anything floating in here unless it just won’t go down the drain, then I’ll handle it myself.” Out of habit, I actually tried to analyze the possible reality of that. I found myself feeling a bit uneasy.

 

Jesus basically said, "If Man will LOVE Reality, then His heart will allow His mind to see Reality for what it is and He can be saved."

 

He had to allow Himself to be Sacrificed just to get Man to listen.

[Ssel]

And also..

 

Well isn’t this the basic attitude/outlook on life of a hippie?

One of the first trully socially relevant questions I've seen.

 

The problem was that Jesus said to always seek that it be done on Earth as it is in Heaven. But He did say exactly what it was like in Heaven. The concept of Peace and serenty being what Heaven truly is comes from the serious peace of mind obtained when all conflict is removed.

 

The Buddhist concept of Heaven and the Heaven sought for 2000 years was merely a foundation. Upon the foundation of Peace, you build the activity that is of Heaven.

 

The thought of such extreme Peace was very much like clearing the ground for building your house. If you stop right there, then weeds take over.

 

But if they had kept seeking the real Heaven as He suggested, then they would have not sought merely Peace, but the whirling ballet that the real Heaven is all about. And the last 2000 years would have been very different.

[Ssel]

Another question was asked, "When 'should' a good Christian kill?"..

 

 

I have very deeply serious logical reasons for declaring that killing is a last resort. My reasonings have nothing to do with simply being a nice guy or attempting to follow anyone else's "Holy" word. As I pointed out in the UNholiness thread, the Holy commandment to never kill is anything but Holy.

 

But to kill must rationally be the final choice after ALL other options have been explored and attempted within the time allowed before the decision must be made. Jesus said to ALWAYS pray. Praying means seeking of God(Reality). This actually meant to ALWAYS seek every option and opportunity available. I can only see the highest rationality in that advice.

 

Unfortunately this means that some of the options to consider will risk, with a certain possibility and probability, of being killed in the effort of avoiding the death of another. This is a risk of both courage and the balance of which is really seen as better. At this point, the issue is no longer whether to kill, but whom.

[All Gods Fail]

Blah, blah, blah.

 

Fuck, dude - don't you have a job?