Vigile Posted August 5, 2012 Share Posted August 5, 2012 I imagine very few leave church and start robbing banks because they feel free to sin. Really? Oops... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
owen652 Posted August 5, 2012 Share Posted August 5, 2012 for me, the amount of 'sinning' i do has not changed, only the level of guilt associated with it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2Honest Posted August 5, 2012 Share Posted August 5, 2012 Joyce Meyer and her shopping cart stories sure didn't help! Not sure if anyone listened to that one, but it's enough to make you think every single decision has a huge consequence. Didn't put your shopping cart back? Miss out on a blessing! Yep I know her shopping cart stories! Thankfully even as a xian I couldn't stand Joyce Meyer. She always seemed like an angry bitch to me, honestly. She goes on and on about how much she changed b/c of Jeebus, but I'll bet you she is a nasty person in her real life. I've read some stuff from her former staff members that say as much. It bugs me that people like her preach as though they're on such moral high ground and brow-beat others into living up their "standards". I have some health issues that cause me to have days where going to the store is a big effort for me. By the time I'm done shopping I may not be physically up to trekking a stupid shopping cart 20 yards back to the cart stall...especially in the heat. I know I'm not the only one w/physical limitations and it just makes me angry that this crazy religious woman makes so many people feel guilty for such a stupid thing as not putting up a shopping cart. Sorry - guess you hit a nerve. That woman just really irritates me! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GardenerGal Posted August 5, 2012 Share Posted August 5, 2012 Joyce Meyer and her shopping cart stories sure didn't help! Not sure if anyone listened to that one, but it's enough to make you think every single decision has a huge consequence. Didn't put your shopping cart back? Miss out on a blessing! Yep I know her shopping cart stories! Thankfully even as a xian I couldn't stand Joyce Meyer. She always seemed like an angry bitch to me, honestly. She goes on and on about how much she changed b/c of Jeebus, but I'll bet you she is a nasty person in her real life. I've read some stuff from her former staff members that say as much. It bugs me that people like her preach as though they're on such moral high ground and brow-beat others into living up their "standards". I have some health issues that cause me to have days where going to the store is a big effort for me. By the time I'm done shopping I may not be physically up to trekking a stupid shopping cart 20 yards back to the cart stall...especially in the heat. I know I'm not the only one w/physical limitations and it just makes me angry that this crazy religious woman makes so many people feel guilty for such a stupid thing as not putting up a shopping cart. Sorry - guess you hit a nerve. That woman just really irritates me! lol, no problem! I actually kinda like her. I see her much differently now, and really wonder if she believes or just found a way to use her good public speaking skills and strong personality to build a very comfortable lifestyle, while also making a difference in the world. I would love to be a fly on her wall for a day Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zephie Posted August 6, 2012 Share Posted August 6, 2012 I swore before I deconverted only in the presence of certain people though. Kinda did things backwards, started drinking, had sex, had my tarot read, really thought about what I believed and then was like fuck it, I'm done. Somehow doing all of those things while I was still technically a Christian showed me that I didn't need the label anymore and to be truthful although I believed some pretty fucked up things and was delusional so to speak. If I don't do something now, it's because I live with my parents and tone it down around them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zephie Posted August 6, 2012 Share Posted August 6, 2012 for me, the amount of 'sinning' i do has not changed, only the level of guilt associated with it. Also this ^^^ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deva Posted August 6, 2012 Share Posted August 6, 2012 Get past what these TV preachers like Joyce Meyers are saying and look closely at their facial expressions. They are angry. Either that, or they have a fakey looking smile all plastered over their face like Osteen. I really can't stand to look at them anymore. There is something wrong with these people and most religious leaders you see. I don't know how they can live with their millions of dollars and contradict what Christ himself supposedly said about the rich man no more likely to enter his kingdom than the camel going through the eye of a needle. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silentknight Posted August 6, 2012 Share Posted August 6, 2012 Get past what these TV preachers like Joyce Meyers are saying and look closely at their facial expressions. They are angry. Either that, or they have a fakey looking smile all plastered over their face like Osteen. I really can't stand to look at them anymore. There is something wrong with these people and most religious leaders you see. I don't know how they can live with their millions of dollars and contradict what Christ himself supposedly said about the rich man no more likely to enter his kingdom than the camel going through the eye of a needle. I know the look all too well. I really think it's some kind of mental illness. I lived for 7 years with someone I can only qualify as religiously insane. His facial expressions are burnt into my mind. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
raoul Posted August 6, 2012 Share Posted August 6, 2012 If you have ever seen the forums at C@th0lic Answ3rs (mangled to prevent any kind of cross-drama with that horrid site), you'll get a feel for the level of neurosis that their rules induce in people, and for the near-total impossibility of avoiding "mortal sin" by their rules in the first place. Can you imagine how freeing it was to walk away from that lunatic religion? I went over and checked it out. After reading just a few of the 'burning' questions along with the insipid replies I had to run to the bathroom, throw up, and then take a very hot shower to get the stench off of me. LOL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
freeasabird Posted August 6, 2012 Share Posted August 6, 2012 To echo pretty much everyone else here, my behavior didn't change much post deconversion, only the guilt over it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pox Posted August 6, 2012 Share Posted August 6, 2012 We couldn't have evolved as a social animal for 3 million years without some checks and balances. We call that morality. When church people say we'd all kill and rape each other without Jesus, of course that's a lie, which I think is the point of the original question. The "sins" everyone's mentioning are things like naughty thoughts and swearing and watching movies. Deconversion doesn't trigger a burning desire to hurt people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silentknight Posted August 6, 2012 Share Posted August 6, 2012 We couldn't have evolved as a social animal for 3 million years without some checks and balances. We call that morality. When church people say we'd all kill and rape each other without Jesus, of course that's a lie, which I think is the point of the original question. The "sins" everyone's mentioning are things like naughty thoughts and swearing and watching movies. Deconversion doesn't trigger a burning desire to hurt people. Except perhaps the desire to hurt christians that keep trying to convert you back Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pox Posted August 6, 2012 Share Posted August 6, 2012 Deconversion doesn't trigger a burning desire to hurt people. Except perhaps the desire to hurt christians that keep trying to convert you back Heh. Yeah, there is that. Plus, the residual anger at having been duped. I think, after a while, that comes and goes. I haven't had anyone evangelize me for years. Sometimes I'm in the mood to argue, but nobody ever tries, and I'm not one to go pick a fight. Maybe it's the part of the country I live in. To the original question, I will say that if I'd deconverted when I was young and bold and handsome and single, I would have enjoyed a lot more sin and maybe broken a few hearts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Denyoz Posted August 7, 2012 Share Posted August 7, 2012 Sinned? That's my name spelled backwards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chikirin Posted August 7, 2012 Share Posted August 7, 2012 I used to tell my pastors EVERYTHING about my life. Now I go to a therapist, and I only tell him things that I feel like telling him. At first it felt like I was sinning by not being totally forthcoming, but I don't feel like that any more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stryper Posted August 7, 2012 Share Posted August 7, 2012 I swear like a trooper. And I say the lord's name in vain as many times a day and in as many ways as possible. But other than that, no real major changes. I don't drink because I have medical reasons not to, I've always smoked cigarettes, I just don't feel guilty about it now, and as for drugs, well, my head just aint strong enough for that, so I don't go there. As far as sex goes, I have no interest in it right now. My life is too messy to be further complicated by sleeping with one or more people at the moment. Ironically, I'm behaving better than I did when I was a christian LOL! Usually you're not actually "sleeping" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blackpudd1n Posted August 7, 2012 Share Posted August 7, 2012 I swear like a trooper. And I say the lord's name in vain as many times a day and in as many ways as possible. But other than that, no real major changes. I don't drink because I have medical reasons not to, I've always smoked cigarettes, I just don't feel guilty about it now, and as for drugs, well, my head just aint strong enough for that, so I don't go there. As far as sex goes, I have no interest in it right now. My life is too messy to be further complicated by sleeping with one or more people at the moment. Ironically, I'm behaving better than I did when I was a christian LOL! Usually you're not actually "sleeping" Hmm, fair enough. When I am actually sleeping, I'd rather share my bed with a cat than a human, anyway lol. They snuggle better Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stryper Posted August 7, 2012 Share Posted August 7, 2012 Ha. Mine plants her fat ass on one corner of the bed and bitches like you wouldn't believe if you have the audacity to move her. She often gets unceremoniously dumped on the floor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FeelHappy Posted August 7, 2012 Share Posted August 7, 2012 My sinning decreased....well not really but I'm a better person now. For example, before it was a sin to condone gay marriage, I was taught love the sinner hate the sin, so therefore I had to be a bigot yet say I was loving the person. Now I can do the morally correct thing and stand up for a persecuted minority and not have to hide behind the immoral christian bigotry. I can look at the issue of global warming and see if there is any truth behind it, I don't have to believe that god keeps his earth or that jesus is returning soon. We have to do something not a sky fairy. I could go on but that's enough for now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheldon Posted August 7, 2012 Share Posted August 7, 2012 I know it's a common xian belief that those outside of the faith, or those who leave are evil people. That's funny, because in lifestyle, my life hasn't changed much, the only difference is occasional profanity, and I have a lower tolerance for BS than I used to, lmao. Many non-Christians think it's odd that I still live much the same way, and many think that I am still a religious person because it, it's kind of strange, they expect me to go wild, and it just isn't happening. Many in my old Christian circles, I haven't told them, and they can't tell the difference. I can get a pass on not going to church,the odd shift I am on at work makes it easy, and the fact that most of them are distracted by some turmoil going in the congregation after the mister left. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roadrunner Posted August 7, 2012 Author Share Posted August 7, 2012 I know it's a common xian belief that those outside of the faith, or those who leave are evil people. That's funny, because in lifestyle, my life hasn't changed much, the only difference is occasional profanity, and I have a lower tolerance for BS than I used to, lmao. Many non-Christians think it's odd that I still live much the same way, and many think that I am still a religious person because it, it's kind of strange, they expect me to go wild, and it just isn't happening. Many in my old Christian circles, I haven't told them, and they can't tell the difference. I can get a pass on not going to church,the odd shift I am on at work makes it easy, and the fact that most of them are distracted by some turmoil going in the congregation after the mister left. yeah i think the way i worded the question implies that you go into a life of sin when you reject god but it should have been more like "since we are no longer part of the cult, have you had any desire to sin and if so when did this begin". thats not AS bad but Its not like anybody goes out murdering because they dont believe in god. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lilith666 Posted August 7, 2012 Share Posted August 7, 2012 Good for you. Show the Xians we're as good as they are (maybe better). Drinking excessively is dangerous. Cursing and watching porn are at least immature. I am trying to be virtuous so I won't have to hear any more about how non-Xians are degenerate and secretly miserable without X. Plus, you don't have to do all that to be a heathen. To be truthful, about a year after I quit I got into Pretty Little Liars, Glee, and Raising Hope, which are all sinful. I also watched a few R-rated movies. It felt beyond amazing to do something fun without X checking to see that it was holy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
norton65ca Posted August 7, 2012 Share Posted August 7, 2012 ex christians really shouldn't be using the phraseology of the cult except in jest. People, there are no sins. There IS no sin. It's a filthy lie designed to enslave and dis-empower us all by having us believe we are the scum of the earth. There is no sin, there is no eternal judge and there will be no punishment. It's all complete and utter bullshit. Sorry, but when I hear the deconverted say things like: "which are all sinful", I cringe. I know you are speaking rhetorically from an Xtian frame of mind for the sake of conversation, but It's over and we need to express it in truth. Because there is no eternal judge waiting , licking his lips, for me to arrive on my deathbed to be condemned, therefore sin doesn't exist in any sense of the word. Sin is only meaningful with a horrible judgemental cod. The corollary to that is that there isn't anything particularly holy either, there is only stuff going on. sorry, just my 2c about us using xtian phraseology. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Valk0010 Posted August 7, 2012 Share Posted August 7, 2012 If doubt is a sin The age of 7 I doubted the existence of the devil Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lilith666 Posted August 8, 2012 Share Posted August 8, 2012 @norton65ca: What I mean by "sinful" is it's wrong according to Xianity. I don't actually believe those are bad, of course. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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