Guest end3 Posted November 25, 2014 Share Posted November 25, 2014 Since your faith is subjective (you answered both which means saying it is subjective is correct), it is faulty. Yes or no. It is unique and incomplete. Faulty seems relative Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Moderator TheRedneckProfessor Posted November 25, 2014 Super Moderator Share Posted November 25, 2014 Yes, because we are not omniscient or have the ability to gain complete objectivity, then our only choice is faith.... False. We could choose to strive toward the ability to be completely objective. You've argued that because someone predicted a measurement before science was able to actually measure it, the same principle could apply to god. Could it not also apply to complete objectivity? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest end3 Posted November 25, 2014 Share Posted November 25, 2014 Yes, because we are not omniscient or have the ability to gain complete objectivity, then our only choice is faith....False. We could choose to strive toward the ability to be completely objective. You've argued that because someone predicted a measurement before science was able to actually measure it, the same principle could apply to god. Could it not also apply to complete objectivity? yes it could and BAA has already asked that. The answer I gave was, from my experience, I can't even fathom science having the ability. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Moderator TheRedneckProfessor Posted November 25, 2014 Super Moderator Share Posted November 25, 2014 I challenge any of you to explain to me how, from and objective standpoint, we may define ourselves other than subjective. Triple dog dare. Make it good and sciency...I like sciency.. Not some chicken shit dodge. Real explanations peeps. You already asked us to give you ideas and you're still ignoring mine. Don't start your little "truth or dare" game until you've addressed what you've already asked for and received. Looked like poetry to me. You write well. That's how you treat the very idea you asked for? Is it because you didn't really understand what I wrote? Or did you understand it but don't want to have to admit that it is true? Seriously End3, you can be incredibly shallow sometimes. I don't mean that as an attack, just one friend's observation of another. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FreeThinkerNZ Posted November 25, 2014 Author Share Posted November 25, 2014 I challenge any of you to explain to me how, from and objective standpoint, we may define ourselves other than subjective. Triple dog dare. Make it good and sciency...I like sciency.. Not some chicken shit dodge. Real explanations peeps. Oh just fuck off already. This is past boring. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest end3 Posted November 25, 2014 Share Posted November 25, 2014 I challenge any of you to explain to me how, from and objective standpoint, we may define ourselves other than subjective. Triple dog dare. Make it good and sciency...I like sciency.. Not some chicken shit dodge. Real explanations peeps. You already asked us to give you ideas and you're still ignoring mine. Don't start your little "truth or dare" game until you've addressed what you've already asked for and received. Looked like poetry to me. You write well. That's how you treat the very idea you asked for? Is it because you didn't really understand what I wrote? Or did you understand it but don't want to have to admit that it is true? Seriously End3, you can be incredibly shallow sometimes. I don't mean that as an attack, just one friend's observation of another. I don't have a problem with it Prof. I used to hunt birds without issue. Now I don't because I really don't like to kill them unless I know they will be eaten. I'm with you but it violates my personal definitions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Moderator florduh Posted November 25, 2014 Super Moderator Share Posted November 25, 2014 This has to be one of the longest "Go Nowhere" threads ever. Are you still having fun or just posting out of boredom by now? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest end3 Posted November 25, 2014 Share Posted November 25, 2014 This has to be one of the longest "Go Nowhere" threads ever. Are you still having fun or just posting out of boredom by now? SL and I are visiting. Prof is hanging in. NZ is being typically rude. I'm ok. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StillLooking Posted November 25, 2014 Share Posted November 25, 2014 Since your faith is subjective (you answered both which means saying it is subjective is correct), it is faulty. Yes or no. It is unique and incomplete. Faulty seems relative You are avoiding the question. Again, since your faith is subjective, it is faulty. Yes or no. This is based on your definition of subjective. Keep this in mind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest end3 Posted November 25, 2014 Share Posted November 25, 2014 I challenge any of you to explain to me how, from and objective standpoint, we may define ourselves other than subjective. Triple dog dare. Make it good and sciency...I like sciency.. Not some chicken shit dodge. Real explanations peeps. Oh just fuck off already. This is past boring. I knew you couldn't answer because you were a girl....lol. Checkmate sister. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StillLooking Posted November 25, 2014 Share Posted November 25, 2014 Since your faith is subjective (you answered both which means saying it is subjective is correct), it is faulty. Yes or no. It is unique and incomplete. Faulty seems relative BTW, unique also means subjective, which in turn per your definition is faulty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Moderator TheRedneckProfessor Posted November 25, 2014 Super Moderator Share Posted November 25, 2014 That's how you treat the very idea you asked for? Is it because you didn't really understand what I wrote? Or did you understand it but don't want to have to admit that it is true? Seriously End3, you can be incredibly shallow sometimes. I don't mean that as an attack, just one friend's observation of another. I don't have a problem with it Prof. I used to hunt birds without issue. Now I don't because I really don't like to kill them unless I know they will be eaten. I'm with you but it violates my personal definitions. There's the crux of it. You are unwilling to admit that objective reality exists because to open yourself up to being able to see, understand, interact with, and be awed by, that objective reality "violates" your pre-conceived notions, prejudices, perceptions, and, ultimately "violates" your subjective beliefs (faith). What are you so afraid of, End3? Why are you so unwilling to give up your personal definitions? You could see the beauty in what I wrote, the poetry of it. Why are you so scared to see the beautiful poetry of the objective reality around you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest end3 Posted November 25, 2014 Share Posted November 25, 2014 Since your faith is subjective (you answered both which means saying it is subjective is correct), it is faulty. Yes or no. It is unique and incomplete. Faulty seems relative You are avoiding the question. Again, since your faith is subjective, it is faulty. Yes or no. This is based on your definition of subjective. Keep this in mind. Faulty with respect to what, perfect. Yes, I'm not perfect by my subjective standards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Moderator TheRedneckProfessor Posted November 25, 2014 Super Moderator Share Posted November 25, 2014 This has to be one of the longest "Go Nowhere" threads ever. Are you still having fun or just posting out of boredom by now? Has there ever been an End3 thread that actually went somewhere? I'd consider believing in miracles again if you could direct me to one. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest end3 Posted November 25, 2014 Share Posted November 25, 2014 There's the crux of it. You are unwilling to admit that objective reality exists because to open yourself up to being able to see, understand, interact with, and be awed by, that objective reality "violates" your pre-conceived notions, prejudices, perceptions, and, ultimately "violates" your subjective beliefs (faith). What are you so afraid of, End3? Why are you so unwilling to give up your personal definitions? You could see the beauty in what I wrote, the poetry of it. Why are you so scared to see the beautiful poetry of the objective reality around you? That's a good point that brings my issues to the surface. It's personal to me but I might PM you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest end3 Posted November 25, 2014 Share Posted November 25, 2014 This has to be one of the longest "Go Nowhere" threads ever. Are you still having fun or just posting out of boredom by now?Has there ever been an End3 thread that actually went somewhere? I'd consider believing in miracles again if you could direct me to one. Yes, but through a relationship, we end up knowing each other...and would probably share a beer if it were offered. Not much closer to God than that in my book. That's my point. So it's not lost. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Moderator TheRedneckProfessor Posted November 25, 2014 Super Moderator Share Posted November 25, 2014 There's the crux of it. You are unwilling to admit that objective reality exists because to open yourself up to being able to see, understand, interact with, and be awed by, that objective reality "violates" your pre-conceived notions, prejudices, perceptions, and, ultimately "violates" your subjective beliefs (faith). What are you so afraid of, End3? Why are you so unwilling to give up your personal definitions? You could see the beauty in what I wrote, the poetry of it. Why are you so scared to see the beautiful poetry of the objective reality around you? That's a good point that brings my issues to the surface. It's personal to me but I might PM you. Feel free, brother; feel free. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest end3 Posted November 25, 2014 Share Posted November 25, 2014 I have to go back to work....adios for a bit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StillLooking Posted November 25, 2014 Share Posted November 25, 2014 Since your faith is subjective (you answered both which means saying it is subjective is correct), it is faulty. Yes or no. It is unique and incomplete. Faulty seems relative You are avoiding the question. Again, since your faith is subjective, it is faulty. Yes or no. This is based on your definition of subjective. Keep this in mind. Faulty with respect to what, perfect. Yes, I'm not perfect by my subjective standards. You are smarter than that. You are dodging my question here. We are not talking about you, we are talking about your faith. Again, since your faith is subjective, it is faulty. Yes or no. This is based on your definition of subjective. Keep this in mind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Moderator florduh Posted November 25, 2014 Super Moderator Share Posted November 25, 2014 This has to be one of the longest "Go Nowhere" threads ever. Are you still having fun or just posting out of boredom by now? Has there ever been an End3 thread that actually went somewhere? I'd consider believing in miracles again if you could direct me to one. This one's just incredibly long! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest end3 Posted November 25, 2014 Share Posted November 25, 2014 Since your faith is subjective (you answered both which means saying it is subjective is correct), it is faulty. Yes or no. It is unique and incomplete. Faulty seems relative You are avoiding the question. Again, since your faith is subjective, it is faulty. Yes or no. This is based on your definition of subjective. Keep this in mind. Faulty with respect to what, perfect. Yes, I'm not perfect by my subjective standards. You are smarter than that. You are dodging my question here. We are not talking about you, we are talking about your faith. Again, since your faith is subjective, it is faulty. Yes or no. This is based on your definition of subjective. Keep this in mind. We don't really know do we. What standard are YOU using? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StillLooking Posted November 25, 2014 Share Posted November 25, 2014 Since your faith is subjective (you answered both which means saying it is subjective is correct), it is faulty. Yes or no. It is unique and incomplete. Faulty seems relative You are avoiding the question. Again, since your faith is subjective, it is faulty. Yes or no. This is based on your definition of subjective. Keep this in mind. Faulty with respect to what, perfect. Yes, I'm not perfect by my subjective standards. You are smarter than that. You are dodging my question here. We are not talking about you, we are talking about your faith. Again, since your faith is subjective, it is faulty. Yes or no. This is based on your definition of subjective. Keep this in mind. We don't really know do we. What standard are YOU using? We are using your standard, your definition. Anything that a human perceives is subjective, because it is subjective then it is faulty. So, please answer the question. Since your faith is subjective, it is faulty. Yes or no. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thackerie Posted November 25, 2014 Share Posted November 25, 2014 This is pointless. Wondering what this thread is about? About 32 pages too long, at this point! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest end3 Posted November 25, 2014 Share Posted November 25, 2014 Since your faith is subjective (you answered both which means saying it is subjective is correct), it is faulty. Yes or no. It is unique and incomplete. Faulty seems relative You are avoiding the question. Again, since your faith is subjective, it is faulty. Yes or no. This is based on your definition of subjective. Keep this in mind. Faulty with respect to what, perfect. Yes, I'm not perfect by my subjective standards. You are smarter than that. You are dodging my question here. We are not talking about you, we are talking about your faith. Again, since your faith is subjective, it is faulty. Yes or no. This is based on your definition of subjective. Keep this in mind. We don't really know do we. What standard are YOU using? We are using your standard, your definition. Anything that a human perceives is subjective, because it is subjective then it is faulty. So, please answer the question. Since your faith is subjective, it is faulty. Yes or no. Very truthfully, I use Jesus as the Standard. I doubt I comprehend what Christ does and by that, yes, even my faith is faulty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orbit Posted November 25, 2014 Share Posted November 25, 2014 So, it was subjective (your definition of subjective). Yes or no. yes So, since your experience of seeing god through chemistry and physics is subjective, it is faulty (based on your definition of subjective). Yes or no. Yes for two reasons...one, it's still my perception. Two, science doesn't have the ability do totally define objective. This doesn't mean that we can't adhere to practicing objectivity. The objective is that which continues to exist after you stop perceiving it. Mountains are there even when you aren't looking at them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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