4 Step Perfect Proof For God Of The Bible

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Here we have the h**p://www3.telus.net/trbrooks/perfectproof.htm 4 Step Proof for God of the Bible[/url]. If you can't isolate anything wrong with it, it proves God of the Bible.

 

You get no more free click throughs to your much mashed pages of bulllllllshavings Troy..

 

Step 1 - There is an exponential progression in our conscience these past 6000 years, so that it won't take much longer to reach sinlessness in the saved. That being the case obviously there would not have been an eternity of the past of cause and effects. Therefore, the only possibility is the uncreated created.

 

Step 2 - Since nothing in nature happens all by itself and always has a cause, then nature could not have caused itself. Thus, the uncreated created.

 

Step 3 - Don't argue against some god for we are talking about God of the Bible. Just stay on topic.

 

Step 4 - There can not be gods creating gods or supernatural events causing supernatural events in the eternity of the past, because they do not cause themselves. Therefore, the uncreated created.

 

If you can't find anything wrong with the Proof then accept that it is true. Realize the proven fact that you were created by the uncreated. Can you do that?

 

[Dhampir]

Not that I can't do it, in fact, I may just, but why would being momentarily unable to find fault with a supposed proof make me have to accept it as true? Also, didn't someone start a thread on this very thing just yesterday?

[Dave]

Step 1 - There is an exponential progression in our conscience these past 6000 years.....

That's a baseless claim. No need to disprove.

 

Step 2 - Since nothing in nature happens all by itself...

First Cause Argument. Not a good one and has already been disproved.

 

Step 3 - Don't argue against some god for we are talking about God of the Bible. Just stay on topic.

Good. the god the the bible has been disproved.

 

Step 4 - There can not be gods creating gods or supernatural events causing supernatural events in the eternity of the past, because they do not cause themselves. Therefore, the uncreated created.

Special pleading.

 

If you can't find anything wrong with the Proof then accept that it is true. Realize the proven fact that you were created by the uncreated. Can you do that?

Did it. You lose in more ways than one. The rationalizations you presented here are hundreds of years old and were disproved back then. Come back when you come up with something new.

[JGJ@ReligionisBullshit]

First premise is false.

 

There is an exponential progression in our conscience these past 6000 years, so that it won't take much longer to reach sinlessness in the saved.

 

There is no evidence to suggest that progression in conscience leads to or has led to any less sin than before. It is a faulty premise for lack of evidence, using abstract language to form ambiguities that slant so called but unproven evidence in favor of the faulty logic, anectdotal evidence, no credibility has been established by the author suggesting that a thorough study has been done to show a 'sinless' progression, a hasty generalization in that saved people are progressively sinless, and a post hoc argument.

 

The whole thing is on a slippery slope - predicting without justification or support of its original claim. Therefore, it is pointless drivel. Once the foundation falls, the rest is dust.

[Dhampir]

Step 1 - There is an exponential progression in our conscience these past 6000 years, so that it won't take much longer to reach sinlessness in the saved. That being the case obviously there would not have been an eternity of the past of cause and effects. Therefore, the only possibility is the uncreated created.

A lot of this step doesn't follow itself, but if our conscience is progressing exponentially, contrary to what christians typically say about our depraved times, would that not mean that salvation will eventually become unnecessary?

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Step 1 - There is an exponential progression in our conscience these past 6000 years.....

That's a baseless claim. No need to disprove.

 

Step 2 - Since nothing in nature happens all by itself...

First Cause Argument. Not a good one and has already been disproved.

 

Step 3 - Don't argue against some god for we are talking about God of the Bible. Just stay on topic.

Good. the god the the bible has been disproved.

 

Step 4 - There can not be gods creating gods or supernatural events causing supernatural events in the eternity of the past, because they do not cause themselves. Therefore, the uncreated created.

Special pleading.

 

If you can't find anything wrong with the Proof then accept that it is true. Realize the proven fact that you were created by the uncreated. Can you do that?

Did it. You lose in more ways than one. The rationalizations you presented here are hundreds of years old and were disproved back then. Come back when you come up with something new.

 

The murder rate per capita has gone down each decade and each century. This is just one of many examples of the exponential increase in conscience. Therefore the uncreated created since you would not still be sinning now if there was an eternity of the past of cause and effects from which you would have been derived.

 

Since nothing in nature has ever seen to have happened all by itself and nobody could prove otherwise, it stands. Therefore the uncreated created.

 

There is no god of the Bible, just God of the Bible.

 

There is no special pleading in saying that if there was an eternity of the past of the supernatural cause and effects, then it can't cause itself or gods creating gods can't be created by themselves, so the uncreated created.

 

Therefore, given Christ, we know God of the Bible did it!

 

There is nothing new under the sun. This is not merely a century old truth, but Abel knew it, Abraham knew it, David knew it all the way back to 6000 years ago to the first God-conscious man Adam.

 

So you are without excuse.

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First premise is false.

 

There is an exponential progression in our conscience these past 6000 years, so that it won't take much longer to reach sinlessness in the saved.

 

There is no evidence to suggest that progression in conscience leads to or has led to any less sin than before. It is a faulty premise for lack of evidence, using abstract language to form ambiguities that slant so called but unproven evidence in favor of the faulty logic, anectdotal evidence, no credibility has been established by the author suggesting that a thorough study has been done to show a 'sinless' progression, a hasty generalization in that saved people are progressively sinless, and a post hoc argument.

 

The whole thing is on a slippery slope - predicting without justification or support of its original claim. Therefore, it is pointless drivel. Once the foundation falls, the rest is dust.

If there is an exponential progression of conscience, which we have shown there is, then very soon there will be no more sin. Since we still sin, this means there would not need to be an eternity of the past of cause and effects since it would not take that long to reach sinlessness in the saved.

 

The evidence is strong. For example, the murder rate per capita has decreased each century.

 

The language is specific, no abstract.

 

There is no ambiguities, for none were shown.

 

There is no anectodatal evidence, no faulty logi, none were shown.

 

Many psychological studies have noted this exponential progression in conscience. Take some sociological, anthropological and psychology courses. This is common knowledge in the papers and the government as well that the murder rate per capita even keeps going down each decade. The 2 billion then 6 billion souls has not seen a similar increase in the murder rate. Child sacrifices to the god of Molech have all but stopped except in Islam as suicide mass murderers.

 

Those who are born-again, have the power of God by the Holy Spirit, because we have been forgiven by God for all our sins. Thus God gives us His eternal life and can overcome sin by the power of the cross, but you can't because you refuse to be forgiven by God and are going to hell.

 

We know this is true because the uncreated created and nobody trumps Jesus Christ in His claim He is God, died for your sins, was resurrected, prophesied His resurrection and prophets of the OT prophesied His atonement and resurrection too. The apostles and other disciples saw Him resurrected and were martyred for their testimony. They agreed.

 

There were 12 different group settings recorded seeing Jesus resurrected and the only claim of deity resurrection was Jesus. There were none before Him, but perhaps copy cats after Him.

 

The 4 Step Proof remains solid and unchallenged.

[JGJ@ReligionisBullshit]

I guess my reply was over his head.

[nick5]

1000s have tried to disprove and most succeeded

 

Fixed.

[♦ nivek ♦]

Bullshit shovelled to Lion's Den...

 

04032007 1935PDT

 

kFL

[♦ nivek ♦]

Parture doth quoth:

The murder rate per capita has gone down each decade and each century. This is just one of many examples of the exponential increase in conscience.

 

Show me your math and proven statistics, their basis, collection methods, and proven review. Something this fuckin' obvious oughta be totally provable.

 

You've got 24 hours to show cause for your thesis, or I'm gonna toss your statistics mangling ass out the front door.

 

04032007 1946hrs PDT

 

kFL

[Dave]

The murder rate per capita has gone down each decade and each century.....

Which does not prove your claim.

 

Since nothing in nature has ever seen to have happened all by itself and nobody could prove otherwise, it stands. Therefore the uncreated created.

You need to study up on quantum physics. Your claim is false. Also, what caused your god? If everything has a cause, then your god must have one too. No exceptions or your original premise is false.

 

There is no special pleading in saying that if there was an eternity of the past of the supernatural cause and effects, then it can't cause itself or gods creating gods can't be created by themselves, so the uncreated created.

There most certainly is. That whole argument based on special pleading.

 

There is nothing new under the sun.....

Argument from cliche gets boring. Try again.

[Dave]

If there is an exponential progression of conscience, which we have shown there is....

You have shown no such thing. You just keep making unsupported claims. The phrase "exponential progression of conscience" is meaningless anyway.

[Dave]

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There were 12 different group settings recorded seeing Jesus resurrected and the only claim of deity resurrection was Jesus. There were none before Him, but perhaps copy cats after Him.

Oh, I missed this little gem. There are several stories where people claimed to have seen this god after it died, but there is no proof the fool even existed and even less that this resurrection happened. If you bothered to get your head out of the bible you would find that this jesus character is the LAST in a long line of gods that died and came back. Your jesus is the copy cat.

 

The 4 Step Proof remains solid and unchallenged.

Only in your little mind.

[Ramen666]

I don't know but I think this is a troll just trying to piss people off because look at the idocy of this poster.

[♦ nivek ♦]

I don't know but I think this is a troll just trying to piss people off because look at the idocy of this poster.

 

He's been here before Ramen.. "Gent" has managed to suck up more bandwith and board hits than subject deserves here at Webmaster's House.

 

I'll give him enough time to present his research notes or URL to a written thesis to prove his provocations. Then he and his four untruths find another home on net to suck up server ticks.

 

kFL

[Ouroboros]

The stupidity of religious claims have grown over time, so the insanity of religion has been proven true.

[Ouroboros]

Step 1 - There is an exponential progression in our conscience these past 6000 years, so that it won't take much longer to reach sinlessness in the saved. That being the case obviously there would not have been an eternity of the past of cause and effects. Therefore, the only possibility is the uncreated created.

How does "sinlessness in the saved" have to with "conscience"? Conscience is about moral in social behavior, "sin" is a word that is defined by a certain group of religions. They are not necessarily correlated. Sin, according to the Bible, is when for instance when a woman have her period is unclean and can't touch anyone, or that you shouldn't eat pork, and you can't work on sabbath. Or mayb e you define sin as being separated from god, which still has nothing to do with moral.

 

Step 2 - Since nothing in nature happens all by itself and always has a cause, then nature could not have caused itself. Thus, the uncreated created.

Does free will has a cause?

 

Step 3 - Don't argue against some god for we are talking about God of the Bible. Just stay on topic.

God of the Bible is said to create evil, according to the Bible itself, and God is said (in the Bible) to be jealous (a sin accoding to the New Testament) and God is also confused about if Abraham knew him by YHWH or not. That's the God you're talking about?

 

Step 4 - There can not be gods creating gods or supernatural events causing supernatural events in the eternity of the past, because they do not cause themselves. Therefore, the uncreated created.

How do you know that gods can't create gods? What's your proof.

 

If you can't find anything wrong with the Proof then accept that it is true. Realize the proven fact that you were created by the uncreated. Can you do that?

I found something wrong with each one of your proofs, so do I get a cookie?

[Taphophilia]

Give some evidence, links to studies. Why should we just take your word for it?

 

We also have social programs, better law enforcement, forensic science, and psycological treatment and medications to help the mentally ill. How does that prove your god of the Bible.

 

You don't know your Ancient History. The copy cats you mention were centuries BEFORE Jesus was supposed to have existed.

 

Let us begin with Zeus, whom we mortals never leave unspoken.

For every street, every marketplace is full of Zeus.

Even the sea and the harbor are full of this deity.

Everywhere everyone is indebted to Zeus,

For we are indeed his offspring.

[Phenomena 1- 5, The stoic poet Aratus (c 310 - 240 BC)]

 

 

In Him we live and move and have our being; as even some of your poets have said, 'For we are indeed his offspring.'

Paul, Apostle to the Gentiles, Acts 17.28

 

Who's offspring are we? Zeus'?

 

Osiris, beginning about 2000 B.C., is said to bring his believers eternal life in Egyptian Heaven, contemplating the unutterable, ndescribable glory of God.

 

The sacred rites of Demeter at Eleusis, beginning approximately 1200 BC, are described as bringing believers happiness in their eternal life.

 

Ancient writers tell us that in general ancient people believed in eternal life, with the good going to the Elysian Fields and the not so good going to Hades.

 

Apollonius of Tyana, 1 to 97 AD, raised a girl from the dead.

 

Pythia , the priestess at the Oracle at Delphi, established in the 8th century BC, in Greece, prophesied, and over and over again for a thousand years, the prophecies came true.

 

Dionysus, introduced into Rome c. 200 BC, turned water into wine and his believers are filled with "atay", the Spirit of God.

 

Romulus, c. 771 BC, is described as the Son of God, born of a virgin.

 

Alexander the Great, July 20 356 BC–June 10, 323 BC, is described as the Son of God, born of a mortal woman

 

Augustus, September 23, 63 BC–August 19, AD 14, is described as the Son of God, born of a mortal woman.

 

Dionysus is also described as the Son of God, born of a mortal woman

 

And.....Jesus who is described as the Son of God, born of a mortal woman, according to prophecy, turning water into wine, and healing blind men with his spittle, and setting it up so His believers got eternal life in Heaven contemplating the unutterable, indescribable glory of God, and off to Hades—er, I mean Hell—for the bad folks.

 

Who would be the Copy Cat?

[Ouroboros]

The murder rate per capita has gone down each decade and each century. This is just one of many examples of the exponential increase in conscience. Therefore the uncreated created since you would not still be sinning now if there was an eternity of the past of cause and effects from which you would have been derived.

The murder rate per capita is lower in socialistic countries than in USA. The statistics I looked at a few years ago (I won't bother to look it up, since you didn't provide any links either) showed that USA had 4 times higher crime rate than Sweden (Sweden is 70% agnostic/atheists). So what are you saying? That atheism is a better argument for social morality?

 

Since nothing in nature has ever seen to have happened all by itself and nobody could prove otherwise, it stands. Therefore the uncreated created.

Again, what creates my "will" each time I "will" something? When I "want" to life my hand, is my will to do so created by me, or by God each time?

 

There is no god of the Bible, just God of the Bible.

There's no God or god.

 

There is no special pleading in saying that if there was an eternity of the past of the supernatural cause and effects, then it can't cause itself or gods creating gods can't be created by themselves, so the uncreated created.

Is your soul supernatural or natural?

 

Therefore, given Christ, we know God of the Bible did it!

Non sequitur.

 

There is nothing new under the sun. This is not merely a century old truth, but Abel knew it, Abraham knew it, David knew it all the way back to 6000 years ago to the first God-conscious man Adam.

 

So you are without excuse.

But you have excuses? Are you saying that you can "sin" and have an excuse to do so?

[Ouroboros]

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The language is specific, no abstract.

You're basing this statement on what? I would claim English is the most confusing language in the world.

 

There is no ambiguities, for none were shown.

 

There is no anectodatal evidence, no faulty logi, none were shown.

 

Many psychological studies have noted this exponential progression in conscience. Take some sociological, anthropological and psychology courses. This is common knowledge in the papers and the government as well that the murder rate per capita even keeps going down each decade. The 2 billion then 6 billion souls has not seen a similar increase in the murder rate. Child sacrifices to the god of Molech have all but stopped except in Islam as suicide mass murderers.

So you're saying it has gone down, but it has not gone down?

 

There's more child molestation reports today than some years ago. And the funny thing is that it is more prevalent amongst priests and preachers now. How's that?

 

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There were 12 different group settings recorded seeing Jesus resurrected and the only claim of deity resurrection was Jesus. There were none before Him, but perhaps copy cats after Him.

And copy cats before him.

 

The 4 Step Proof remains solid and unchallenged.

Only to you. In your mind it is, only because you refuse to see the truth. Delusion does that to you. Your faith is only a coping mechanism because you can't take the truth.

[HuaiDan]

Thousands have disproven, but one fails to concede. Dude, you could rant your way all the way to a padded cell, but refusing to STFU just to get the last word in does not make you right. You could scream 2+2 = 5 all day and all night, but you'll never convince anyone but the weak and feeble.

 

BTW, why are you here? Really, to save our doomed souls? Or could it be just to masturbate your own ego? Thousands have tried, but none have deconverted. What makes you think you can?

[Vigile]

The murder rate per capita has gone down each decade and each century.

 

I'm pretty sure that this is not even true in America. In fact I'd bet the opposite is true. Is your god only American though Troy? You do realize that the 20th century was the bloodiest century in recorded history though don't you?

 

As for the rest of your blather, I didn't bother reading it. More blah, blah, blah...

[Thurisaz]

Here we have the h**p://www3.telus.net/trbrooks/perfectproof.htm 4 Step Proof for God of the Bible[/url]. If you can't isolate anything wrong with it, it proves God of the Bible.

 

 

Hard to isolate anything right within that drivel!

 

Gee troy, just how many times have you hurled this shit at us? Just how many times did you have to find us slicing and dicing, ripping to shreds, burning your "proof" and finally pissing on the ashes?

 

Aye, it takes a true, pure-bred (read: braindead) morontheist to try the same babble yet another time here

 

You have lost moron. You always had, you have now, and you will ever have. Live with it.

[Thurisaz]

I guess my reply was over his head.

 

Remember that troy has roughly the IQ of a slice of bread. You can't expect much of it.