Guest wolf_13 Posted April 13, 2008 Share Posted April 13, 2008 hi it is my 1st writing here i am from Egypt the science vs religion head line was strange for me i used to hear that the modern science agreed with relegion so i will talk with u about science in Islam and haw science agreed the holly Koran our talk will be with scientific evidence Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SWIM Posted April 13, 2008 Share Posted April 13, 2008 hiit is my 1st writing here i am from Egypt the science vs religion head line was strange for me i used to hear that the modern science agreed with relegion so i will talk with u about science in Islam and haw science agreed the holly Koran our talk will be with scientific evidence OK, so haw does science agreed with your book? Examples please. All ears. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legion Posted April 13, 2008 Share Posted April 13, 2008 Greetings Wolf 13, the first obvious question for me to ask is... Do you agree that evolution has occured over billions of years? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest wolf_13 Posted April 13, 2008 Share Posted April 13, 2008 Greetings for u all OK, so haw does science agreed with your book? Examples please 1st for Examples the creation of the baby in his mother 2-that is the earth is like egg and rounded 3- there is no water or life in the moon and more of other things jest wait for the translation Do you agree that evolution has occured over billions of years? may i not under stand ur q? if it about monkey and men i do not agree with it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legion Posted April 13, 2008 Share Posted April 13, 2008 Wolf, language is going to be a problem. If you do not agree with evolution then you disagree with reputable scientists. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest wolf_13 Posted April 13, 2008 Share Posted April 13, 2008 i will start with the space in holly Koran when talking about what will Happen if there is Explosion it say that {it will be like Rose formulaic} that is N.A.S.A pic showing the same in a Galaxy Explosion Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Moderator florduh Posted April 13, 2008 Super Moderator Share Posted April 13, 2008 For a site encouraging ex-Christians, this place sure gets a lot of Muslim apologists. Why? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest wolf_13 Posted April 13, 2008 Share Posted April 13, 2008 http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/ima...ye_hst_big.jpg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legion Posted April 13, 2008 Share Posted April 13, 2008 Wolf 13, I wish you peace and happiness. I cannot speak with you however. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest wolf_13 Posted April 13, 2008 Share Posted April 13, 2008 For a site encouraging ex-Christians, this place sure gets a lot of Muslim apologists. Why? becuse u use ur mind and know what is not Mental so u can use it to find what is Mental Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest wolf_13 Posted April 13, 2008 Share Posted April 13, 2008 Wolf 13, I wish you peace and happiness and me to I cannot speak with you however. as u like Differences in visions not spoil the states case Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ouroboros Posted April 13, 2008 Share Posted April 13, 2008 Greetings for u allOK, so haw does science agreed with your book? Examples please 1st for Examples the creation of the baby in his mother Just like the Bible, and the old Book of the Dead (Egypt) or many other books. It doesn't make them holy. And some of them older than Quran. 2-that i s the earth is like egg and rounded It's not. It's more like a pumpkin. 3- there is no water or life in the moon No water? Well, that question is still up in the air. They haven't found any yet, but there are some scientists that believe there might be some water in or under the soil. So if the Quran say it must be so, and they do find water... then would you de-convert from Islam? Probably not. You would pick and chose your quotes to fit your belief. and more of other things jest wait for the translation Do you agree that evolution has occured over billions of years? may i not under stand ur q? if it about monkey and men i do not agree with it Then you're wrong. Does the Quran explain the commonalities between humans and chimpanzees regarding the multitude of identical ERVs? The only way to explain it is through heritage. In other words, sexual relationships. We are related to the apes, according to DNA, which is observable science. The Quran missed that, didn't it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ouroboros Posted April 13, 2008 Share Posted April 13, 2008 i will start with the space in holly Koran when talking about what will Happen if there is Explosion it say that {it will be like Rose formulaic} that is N.A.S.A pic showing the same in a Galaxy Explosion *sigh* You take one photo, that happens to look the way you want, and you draw conclusions from it. There are millions of nebulae that look completely different. The crab nebula, the horse head nebula, just to name a few. Your picture is the pictures of the Cat's eye nebula: http://hubblesite.org/newscenter/archive/releases/1995/01 It's most likely a twin star system that blew up. Here's a whole slew of nebulas, some pre-star, some post-star: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nebula Especially look at the crab nebula that resulted from a supernova. Does not look like a rose. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ouroboros Posted April 13, 2008 Share Posted April 13, 2008 Han....would this perhaps be better moved to the Lion's den? Sorry, I stopped moving topics. Caused too much confusion, so I'm leaving it here. I think he/she deserves a treatment of real facts and arguments, and not just the regular beat-down we have in LD. And I think it's a valid topic in this section. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SWIM Posted April 13, 2008 Share Posted April 13, 2008 Han....would this perhaps be better moved to the Lion's den? Sorry, I stopped moving topics. Caused too much confusion, so I'm leaving it here. I think he/she deserves a treatment of real facts and arguments, and not just the regular beat-down we have in LD. And I think it's a valid topic in this section. Well, hans, we can always up the convo to scale, or how time is chaotic on a single photon level? Baffle the guy away... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ouroboros Posted April 13, 2008 Share Posted April 13, 2008 Well, hans, we can always up the convo to scale, or how time is chaotic on a single photon level? Baffle the guy away... Amen to that. I wonder if someone else is well read in the Quran and can find some non-scientific (purely contradictory) quotes? There must be some websites... I'll have a look later. wolf_13, The problem with your approach is that you take the quotes in Quran that fits the little knowledge you have about science, combined with your opinion what you can approve as truths in science or not. By doing this, anything you want to be true in the Quran will be true to YOU and you only, all the time. That is not an absolute or universal truth. For something to be true for us, you have to bring a lot more to the table, seriously, a lot, lot, more. I want to analyze the accuracy in the Quran by going the opposite way. We start with scientific facts, then you find the quote in the Quran that proves that it already "knew" this. Lets start with Nuclear and Quantum Physics. 1) Where in the Quran is Heisenberg's uncertainty principle described? 2) Where does Quran explain the different atomic models, and which one does it declare to be the most accurate? 3) Does Quran explain relativity? 4) Where in the Quran is quantum tunneling explained? Lets go to Biology: 1) Does Quran explain what the "junk" DNA does? 2) As I mentioned before, what does Quran say about ERVs? 3) Why does men have nipples? 4) Why do we have two different DNA systems, the regular (main) DNA and the mDNA? I probably have more questions, but please give me the answers to these first. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grandpa Harley Posted April 13, 2008 Share Posted April 13, 2008 Don't forget "Where in the Koran is the full use of the appendix itemised?" "Where is there coverage of heliobacter pylorii in the Koran?" "I'd like to see where in the Koran the sodium-potassium metabolism is explained?" From what I remember the Quran is mostly throttling angels and child molesters flying to heaven on horses... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ouroboros Posted April 13, 2008 Share Posted April 13, 2008 (Thanks Gramps. ) And now, we can go to the wonderful world of math, and some of the big questions - some answered, some not: 1) Does the Quran give the proof for Fermat's last theorem? 2) Does the Quran give us the answer to the P=NP problem? And then something completely random, or rather a philosophical question: 3) Does the Quran explain anything about the conflict between the temporality of consciousness and a non-temporal and yet sentient God? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ouroboros Posted April 13, 2008 Share Posted April 13, 2008 For a site encouraging ex-Christians, this place sure gets a lot of Muslim apologists. Why? Because they think we're easy target. They believe non-Christians and non-Jews are already half-way to become Muslims. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest wolf_13 Posted April 13, 2008 Share Posted April 13, 2008 1st slowly i am have abad english 2nd we are not in war we are talking to find the truth with logic and polit 3rd quran is not a science book it a holly book allah send it to help men to be better so alot of science things is not in it but no seince theory aginest what in it Just like the Bible, and the old Book of the Dead (Egypt) or many other books. It doesn't make them holy. And some of them older than Quran. no sir not like thise books theis books have sceince mestakes about the creation the quran dos not i have cipse for DR kith more he have G.C.B from General Canadian specialists autopsy http://www.islam-guide.com/video/moore-1-56k.rm http://www.islam-guide.com/video/moore-2-56k.rm IT IS ABOUT BABY FORMING D.R Persaud Grant Award from the Canadian Society of specialists autopsy http://www.islam-guide.com/video/persaud-1-56k.rm D.R July Simpson Professor July Simpson Chief of obstetrics and gynaecology, professor of obstetrics and gynaecology, Professor of molecular and human genetics at Baylor College of Medicine, Houston, Texas, USA http://www.islam-guide.com/video/simpson-1-56k.rm Professor Marshall Johnson Professor of Anatomy and developmental biology at Thomas Jefferson University, Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, United States of America http://www.islam-guide.com/video/johnson-1-56k.rm http://www.islam-guide.com/video/johnson-2-56k.rm For a professor Gerald CNN. Goerenger, Director and Professor of embryos in medical science life of the cell Section, Faculty of Medicine, Georgetown University, Washington, DC, USA http://www.islam-guide.com/video/kozai-1-56k.rm ALL OF THEM IS NOT Muslim ALL OF THEM ARE MASTER MIND IN HIS WORK Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest wolf_13 Posted April 13, 2008 Share Posted April 13, 2008 Because they think we're easy target. They believe non-Christians and non-Jews are already half-way to become Muslims. WE believe non-Christians and non-Jews are men they use there mind not an easy target no i can talke with some one how believe in allah if he Christians or Jews easer than here in Different language Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Moderator florduh Posted April 13, 2008 Super Moderator Share Posted April 13, 2008 Go to this web page and have someone translate it to you. http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/quran/science/long.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grandpa Harley Posted April 13, 2008 Share Posted April 13, 2008 One moment... you say the Quran is not science, then you start making claims contains 'science'... Then you want a holy book to be treated as a scientific book, then when challenged you say it is not a book of science I'm not sure how the proverb 'to have one's cake and eat it' translates, but it seems to me that you're trying to claim that the Quran is and is not a scientific book... Horses do not fly... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest wolf_13 Posted April 13, 2008 Share Posted April 13, 2008 the book of Theory of relativity to Anistein dose not talk about civel engineering so dose it is not a science book? every book have it is target if it dose not talk about the other things that is not abad thing about it qoran is the The biggest miracle in Islam it speak with how seek for logical evedence and how seek for spiret things what i want in theis topic to say what i have and u ask about if it right or rowng as science say Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest wolf_13 Posted April 13, 2008 Share Posted April 13, 2008 One moment... you say the Quran is not science, then you start making claims contains 'science'... Then you want a holy book to be treated as a scientific book, then when challenged you say it is not a book of science I'm not sure how the proverb 'to have one's cake and eat it' translates, but it seems to me that you're trying to claim that the Quran is and is not a scientific book... What I want to say here that you said that religion is science I say that science agreed with the statement Science in the Koran for more than 1400 years were discovered only recently unlike other books are completely different with science Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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