God Expects U To Show Concern For Other People, Not Just Heaven

[Antlerman]

Antler....he doesn't understand anything you're saying. He simply can't grasp the language or logic.

I get that. It doesn't hurt for him to hear from adults out here who don't think like him. How else will he ever question his limited assumptions?

[mcdaddy]

Fight the good fight, man!

[oddbird1963]

So, I wonder how many times throughout history someone has had to make a choice between dying and cutting a key out of someone's stomach? It's usually the choice between sitting on your ass and thinking up hypotheticals and actually going out and helping real people. That's the moral dilemma.

[Ouroboros]

I think this is a sad example of what drugs can do to a person.

[Antlerman]

I think this is a sad example of what drugs can do to a person.

That and being threatened with hell as a child....

[mcdaddy]

I think this is a sad example of what drugs can do to a person.

 

It's worth it for the Sunday potluck and bingo though.

[Ouroboros]

That and being threatened with hell as a child....

Definitely.

[Astreja]

U seem to be trying to dodge answering my question of would u cut the person open to get the key or would u die a slow painful death?

 

I would absolutely do whatever is necessary, including cutting open a man's stomach, in order to escape, notify the authorities, and prevent this from happening to other people.

Its very obvious that I'm implying that u would have to kill the man in order to get the key. The average person does not know how to carefully cut open a person without the other person dying. And why would the abducter leave bandages in the room?

 

Ah, but I'm not "the average person," Noraa. I've been interested in medicine and surgery since I was about 5 years old, and I work in a hospital. If you read Me a list of blood tests, I'll immediately spot which numbers are too high or too low. If you gave Me a list of symptoms, I could probably guess which specialists you need to see, and how urgently, and there's about a 95% chance I'd be right. If you asked Me to point out the locations of the corpus callosum, the olecranon, the soleus or the duodenum, I'd have finished pointing out the center of the brain, the elbow and the lower section of the calf before you even finished saying the word "duodenum" -- And then I'd immediately point to the top section of the small intestine, at the junction coming out of the stomach.

 

As for bandages, I have first aid training... And absolutely no compunction at all about walking out of somewhere buck naked if My shirt, bra and blue jeans will keep someone alive long enough for the EMS crew to get to him.

 

You see, Noraa, things are not as cut-and-dried as one would think from your question. And, as Antlerman so eloquently pointed out, it's hard for someone to know what they would really do if a hypothetical situation became a real one. As much as you might like to think you hold the moral high ground, you might very well find yourself reaching for that knife, too -- And it might even be the right thing to do in that situation.

 

Yes, you're a believer; and yes, I'm an agnostic atheist... But that's not all that we are. We come to this discussion with wildly different experiences and skills, and it's unreasonable to expect us not to use those experiences and skills. Simplifying an opposing position to a caricature, as you seem to be doing with atheism, is a rather silly and counterproductive strategy that won't help you deal with real atheists in the real world.

 

I reserve judgment on how much you actually "know" about atheists, save to say that you don't seem to know us very well at all. But that's okay -- Stick around and listen, and you'll come to know us fast enough.

[Noraa]

Well in the end, God expects us to do good for the sake of being good and not just to go to Heaven. It is impossible for good and evil to exist without Heaven and Hell

[Ouroboros]

It is impossible for good and evil to exist without Heaven and Hell

Then it's God's fault that good and evil exists since he supposedly created Heaven and Hell.

 

In other words, God could have created a world without Heaven and Hell, and hence (according to your logic above), good and evil would not have existed, which would've been better. Imagine a world without evil. Wouldn't that be great? So God wanted evil when he created Heaven and Hell. What an asshole god!

[oddbird1963]

And wouldn't creation be only good - with no evil, if he hadn't created heaven and hell? If he didn't create the two, then all things would be as he wanted things to be - in other words, good. If he wanted evil to exist, then he is evil because he desires evil to exist. Thus, god can only be good if heaven and hell don't exist. Noraa's logic is such a fun playground! He just demonstrated that his god is evil.

 

PS. I think I just repeated what Hans said, in my own inadequate way.

[Ouroboros]

PS. I think I just repeated what Hans said, in my own inadequate way.

I think you added clarity to it.

 

Let's see if we can make a clean list of the logic here.

 

1. God is good (always)

2. Good and evil only exists because of Heaven and Hell. (conflict here. If God is good, Heaven is not needed to make good.)

2-modified. Evil exists only because of Heaven and Hell. (i.e. Evil wouldn't exist if they were not created.)

3. God created Heaven and Hell (to created evil?)

4. God is an asshole since he could have avoided creating evil by creating heaven and hell.

5. Being an asshole is evil.

Conclusion: God is evil, which contradicts p1.

[pratt]

Well in the end, God expects us to do good for the sake of being good and not just to go to Heaven. It is impossible for good and evil to exist without Heaven and Hell

 

can you tell them to those paedophile priests?

[mcdaddy]

It is impossible for good and evil to exist without Heaven and Hell

 

I would LOVE for you to explain this. If this life was all there was, why does it follow that there would be neither good nor evil? Everything would just be ho-hum?

[Noraa]

And wouldn't creation be only good - with no evil, if he hadn't created heaven and hell? If he didn't create the two, then all things would be as he wanted things to be - in other words, good. If he wanted evil to exist, then he is evil because he desires evil to exist. Thus, god can only be good if heaven and hell don't exist. Noraa's logic is such a fun playground! He just demonstrated that his god is evil.

 

PS. I think I just repeated what Hans said, in my own inadequate way.

 

God can't create a world where there is no evil. The entire nature of God is not known, but one thing I do know is that God can't create a world where everyone is programmed to do good. I do know that God has given us the knowledge and courage to stand up against evil. If good people would just stand up to those that are evil, then evil can be severely weakened and possibly done away with. Good people should create a lake of blood from evil people if that is what's neccesary to do get rid of evil.

 

This is one reason why I have a problem with Christianity because they're relying on a damn Jewish carpenter to come back and do away with evil and bring peace. Good people need to wake up, unleash the warrior within us, grab some guns and explosives, and paint the town red with the blood of the evil and this will be pleasing to the eyes of God

[mcdaddy]

HOLY FUCK.

 

YOU ARE THE MOST EVIL PERSON EVAH

[mcdaddy]

Mods, I think we've given him enough time.

[Ouroboros]

God can't create a world where there is no evil.

Then God is not omnipotent.

[Antlerman]

And wouldn't creation be only good - with no evil, if he hadn't created heaven and hell? If he didn't create the two, then all things would be as he wanted things to be - in other words, good. If he wanted evil to exist, then he is evil because he desires evil to exist. Thus, god can only be good if heaven and hell don't exist. Noraa's logic is such a fun playground! He just demonstrated that his god is evil.

 

PS. I think I just repeated what Hans said, in my own inadequate way.

 

God can't create a world where there is no evil. The entire nature of God is not known, but one thing I do know is that God can't create a world where everyone is programmed to do good. I do know that God has given us the knowledge and courage to stand up against evil. If good people would just stand up to those that are evil, then evil can be severely weakened and possibly done away with. Good people should create a lake of blood from evil people if that is what's neccesary to do get rid of evil.

 

This is one reason why I have a problem with Christianity because they're relying on a damn Jewish carpenter to come back and do away with evil and bring peace. Good people need to wake up, unleash the warrior within us, grab some guns and explosives, and paint the town red with the blood of the evil and this will be pleasing to the eyes of God

 

YIKES. Let's start by erasing you from ExC.net. Bye bye....

[sarahlee]

I'm sorry Noraa. The tribe has spoken.

[Antlerman]

BTW, be it known, I smelled something deeply off on this soul in his fixation on rapists and sex criminals and the need for hell. Now it becomes apparent. He won't be back here.

[mcdaddy]

I think he's got seriously serious issues going on.

 

He may kill someone some day. Idk.

[midniterider]

Well in the end, God expects us to do good for the sake of being good and not just to go to Heaven. It is impossible for good and evil to exist without Heaven and Hell

 

Evil exists without Heaven and Hell because there are no such places.

[Antlerman]

I think he's got seriously serious issues going on.

 

He may kill someone some day. Idk.

Not so long as he believe hell exists. Oh wait, he just said he needs to be a warrior and kill those who remind him of himself. Yikes.

 

An interesting footnote to this whole warrior thing of his, I was just listening to an interview with an author of a book on the various types of Christian church from the tribal to the postmodern and beyond, and the stage after the tribal church is the warrior church, where they feel a need to protest and route out and destroy any and all those who disagree with them. This dude here is most definitely that warrior. He even used those very words.

 

It is interesting indeed I was listening to that just a mere couple hours before reading this very ironic example right here on the site from one of them. Very scarey, and it makes a certain amount of sense why a mentally ill individual such as this finds a home in such primitive thinking. "Us against the world, and it is our mission to fight for our God! Alahu Akbar... kaboom!" The disturbed mind like this is also prone to conspiracy theory as well, since they hold the delusion everyone else is wrong, deceived, and they know the real truth. There is a pattern why folks like this gravitate to the more extreme, fundamentalist forms of religion. It mimics their illness.

[midniterider]

And wouldn't creation be only good - with no evil, if he hadn't created heaven and hell? If he didn't create the two, then all things would be as he wanted things to be - in other words, good. If he wanted evil to exist, then he is evil because he desires evil to exist. Thus, god can only be good if heaven and hell don't exist. Noraa's logic is such a fun playground! He just demonstrated that his god is evil.

 

PS. I think I just repeated what Hans said, in my own inadequate way.

 

God can't create a world where there is no evil. The entire nature of God is not known, but one thing I do know is that God can't create a world where everyone is programmed to do good. I do know that God has given us the knowledge and courage to stand up against evil. If good people would just stand up to those that are evil, then evil can be severely weakened and possibly done away with. Good people should create a lake of blood from evil people if that is what's neccesary to do get rid of evil.

 

This is one reason why I have a problem with Christianity because they're relying on a damn Jewish carpenter to come back and do away with evil and bring peace. Good people need to wake up, unleash the warrior within us, grab some guns and explosives, and paint the town red with the blood of the evil and this will be pleasing to the eyes of God

 

Evil can be severely weakened and possibly done away with...lol... naive you are.

 

God is pleased by killing....yes, I understand that...so it's a good reason to not believe in him. :-)