Super Moderator TheRedneckProfessor Posted December 31, 2014 Super Moderator Share Posted December 31, 2014 Justus, Would you please explain evolution to me as you understand it? I would like to give you the opportunity to have the misconceptions and disinformation you have on the subject finally cleared up, once and for all. There are a number of people in this forum, myself included, who actually understand the Theory of Evolution via Natural Selection, and who are willing to help you understand it as well. So, please, explain evolution to me as best as you can and we can start finally resolving your misunderstanding of the subject. We will patiently guide you into a complete and competent understanding of how Natural Selection actually works to drive the engine of evolution. This is your chance, buddy; take it. Sincerely, TheRedneckProfessor 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justus Posted December 31, 2014 Share Posted December 31, 2014 Well let's start from the beginning, with Abiogenesis? Seems that as of yet there hasn't been any plausible theory found yet that can explain how non living matter turned into living matter in order for evolution to being with. If you can't establish a pluasible working theory to explain how it could have started, then there is no sense in speculating how it would work. Unless you can have verifiable data that records such random mutation necessary for the theory of evolution then you all you would have would be your hope without evidence. SWould you like to see a known process by which a non-living organism can be molecularity manipulated into spontaneously emerging into a living organism? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thackerie Posted December 31, 2014 Share Posted December 31, 2014 Abiogenesis refers to the beginning of life. Evolution applies to the diversification of species after life arose. They are not the same thing and should be considered separately. Seems simple enough to me. Why is this so difficult for some christians to grasp? 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikey101 Posted December 31, 2014 Share Posted December 31, 2014 Yeah evolution is a left wing conspiracy. Scientists are in kahoots with Satan. Did you know that Christian fundamentalism is actually evil as shit? You cause damage in the world. That's why no one likes you, you're fucking abusive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justus Posted December 31, 2014 Share Posted December 31, 2014 Abiogenesis refers to the beginning of life. Evolution applies to the diversification of species after life arose. They are not the same thing and should be considered separately. Seems simple enough to me. Why do you think I started by saying that until you establish a plausible working model that is valid which demonstrates how non-living matter could become a living organism. That is Abiogenesis, got an answer? At least be intellectually honest. Why is this so difficult for some christians to grasp What is so hard for some ex-christians that understand that science is based in part upon 1 Thess 5:21. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikey101 Posted December 31, 2014 Share Posted December 31, 2014 It's not. What is so hard for some ex-christians that understand that science is based in part upon 1 Thess 5:21. If you keep acting stupid like you do, you should realize that your giving your religion a bad name and are responsible for real suffering of Christians. Seriously, when you're a complete tool and treat people like shit, you're making people think that all Christianity is like that, and thats why it gets persecuted. Real people in the world are suffering real pain because of complete dickheads like yourself. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mymistake Posted December 31, 2014 Share Posted December 31, 2014 Why do you think I started by saying that until you establish a plausible working model that is valid which demonstrates how non-living matter could become a living organism. Because you are deceiving yourself. Evolution has nothing to do with abiogenesis. What is so hard for some ex-christians that understand that science is based in part upon 1 Thess 5:21. Because that is not true. Only a delusional person would think they understand what is not true. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ravenstar Posted December 31, 2014 Share Posted December 31, 2014 ...and round and round we go. He's not open-minded… at all. You are wasting your breath, Professor. We DO test all things, that's called science, but it does not mean that science COMES from the Bible… sheesh. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justus Posted December 31, 2014 Share Posted December 31, 2014 It's not. What is so hard for some ex-christians that understand that science is based in part upon 1 Thess 5:21. If you keep acting stupid like you do, you should realize that your giving your religion a bad name and are responsible for real suffering of Christians. Seriously, when you're a complete tool and treat people like shit, you're making people think that all Christianity is like that, and thats why it gets persecuted. Real people in the world are suffering real pain because of complete dickheads like yourself. I have don't said a number of times I don't subscribe to the Christian doctrine. Can't answer the question regarding Abiogenesis, you know where the non-living matter turns into a living organism, fine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikey101 Posted December 31, 2014 Share Posted December 31, 2014 I have don't said a number of times I don't subscribe to the Christian doctrine. You don't believe in Christ? Say "I reject Christ forever and fuck the Holy Spirit." If you can say that I will believe you are not a Christian. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justus Posted December 31, 2014 Share Posted December 31, 2014 ...and round and round we go. He's not open-minded… at all. You are wasting your breath, Professor. We DO test all things, that's called science, but it does not mean that science COMES from the Bible… sheesh. So present you evidence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mymistake Posted December 31, 2014 Share Posted December 31, 2014 It's not. What is so hard for some ex-christians that understand that science is based in part upon 1 Thess 5:21. If you keep acting stupid like you do, you should realize that your giving your religion a bad name and are responsible for real suffering of Christians. Seriously, when you're a complete tool and treat people like shit, you're making people think that all Christianity is like that, and thats why it gets persecuted. Real people in the world are suffering real pain because of complete dickheads like yourself. I have don't said a number of times I don't subscribe to the Christian doctrine. Can't answer the question regarding Abiogenesis, you know where the non-living matter turns into a living organism, fine. But I suppose your faith (which is a blind guess) does provide answers? We do not have a working theory on abiogenesis at this time. Scientists are working on it and I'm sure they will get the answer someday but the breakthrough might be a long way off. None of this changes the fact that we have an excellent explanation for how evolution works in biology. It's incredibly useful which is how we know it is true. If you are not Christian then what would you call your religion? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justus Posted December 31, 2014 Share Posted December 31, 2014 I have don't said a number of times I don't subscribe to the Christian doctrine. You don't believe in Christ? Say "I reject Christ forever and fuck the Holy Spirit." If you can say that I will believe you are not a Christian. Since you can't see me or hear my voice then I cannot possibly exist, and even if I did you then would you believe me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikey101 Posted December 31, 2014 Share Posted December 31, 2014 I have don't said a number of times I don't subscribe to the Christian doctrine. You don't believe in Christ? Say "I reject Christ forever and fuck the Holy Spirit." If you can say that I will believe you are not a Christian. Since you can't see me or hear my voice then I cannot possibly exist, and even if I did you then would you believe me. I assume you're referring to belief in your religion. You're saying I don't believe in you religion because I can't see it, and even if I did see it I wouldn't believe it. You might want to study comparative religion. Just because someone doesn't believe your particular religion doesn't mean they're wrong or 'evil' like you want to believe. This is what makes you so abusive and harmful to the world. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ravenstar Posted December 31, 2014 Share Posted December 31, 2014 "So present YOUR evidence." There, fixed it for you! It isn't my evidence… but where would you like to start? Phylogeny? Biology? Genetics? Fossil record? Geology? The decay of radioactive isotopes? Ring species? Influenza vaccines? Beans? Dogs? Horses? Fruit Flies? Comparative Embryology? I'm game, pick a field. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justus Posted December 31, 2014 Share Posted December 31, 2014 It's not. What is so hard for some ex-christians that understand that science is based in part upon 1 Thess 5:21. If you keep acting stupid like you do, you should realize that your giving your religion a bad name and are responsible for real suffering of Christians. Seriously, when you're a complete tool and treat people like shit, you're making people think that all Christianity is like that, and thats why it gets persecuted. Real people in the world are suffering real pain because of complete dickheads like yourself. I have don't said a number of times I don't subscribe to the Christian doctrine. Can't answer the question regarding Abiogenesis, you know where the non-living matter turns into a living organism, fine. But I suppose your faith (which is a blind guess) does provide answers? We do not have a working theory on abiogenesis at this time. Scientists are working on it and I'm sure they will get the answer someday but the breakthrough might be a long way off. None of this changes the fact that we have an excellent explanation for how evolution works in biology. It's incredibly useful which is how we know it is true. If you are not Christian then what would you call your religion? Thank you. Personally I don't have a problem with science considering, examining and searching all things for the truth, sometimes science looking for this stumbles on that, and that might be more important. If you are not Christian then what would you call your religion? My opinion. But as far as organized faith, the Declaration and U.S. Constitution. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Furball Posted December 31, 2014 Share Posted December 31, 2014 Actually i am new to evolution, I really would like you professor to help me understand it from like a beginners course. That is if you don't mind educating me, i really am thirsty for knowledge about this. Thank you for your consideration. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mymistake Posted December 31, 2014 Share Posted December 31, 2014 If you are not Christian then what would you call your religion? My opinion. But as far as organized faith, the Declaration and U.S. Constitution. This isn't the first time you have evaded that question. If you won't tell us about your religion then don't complain if we don't understand your religion. You won't tell us. Clearly you've got more woo than a steam locomotive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justus Posted December 31, 2014 Share Posted December 31, 2014 "So present YOUR evidence." There, fixed it for you! It isn't my evidence… but where would you like to start? Phylogeny? Biology? Genetics? Fossil record? Geology? The decay of radioactive isotopes? Ring species? Influenza vaccines? Beans? Dogs? Horses? Fruit Flies? Comparative Embryology? I'm game, pick a field. What happen to the photon when sound waves move over the light does, the photon expand and being to shine? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikey101 Posted December 31, 2014 Share Posted December 31, 2014 My opinion. But as far as organized faith, the Declaration and U.S. Constitution. There's nothing about Jesus in those. Christianity is the main religion of the US. It's not a coincidence that you are a Christian. If you were from a Buddhist country, chances are you would be a Buddhist. It wouldn't be big surprise to be a Buddhist if you live in a Buddhist country. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WarriorPoet Posted December 31, 2014 Share Posted December 31, 2014 It's not. What is so hard for some ex-christians that understand that science is based in part upon 1 Thess 5:21. If you keep acting stupid like you do, you should realize that your giving your religion a bad name and are responsible for real suffering of Christians. Seriously, when you're a complete tool and treat people like shit, you're making people think that all Christianity is like that, and thats why it gets persecuted. Real people in the world are suffering real pain because of complete dickheads like yourself. I have don't said a number of times I don't subscribe to the Christian doctrine. Can't answer the question regarding Abiogenesis, you know where the non-living matter turns into a living organism, fine. But I suppose your faith (which is a blind guess) does provide answers? We do not have a working theory on abiogenesis at this time. Scientists are working on it and I'm sure they will get the answer someday but the breakthrough might be a long way off. None of this changes the fact that we have an excellent explanation for how evolution works in biology. It's incredibly useful which is how we know it is true. If you are not Christian then what would you call your religion? Thank you. Personally I don't have a problem with science considering, examining and searching all things for the truth, sometimes science looking for this stumbles on that, and that might be more important. If you are not Christian then what would you call your religion? My opinion. But as far as organized faith, the Declaration and U.S. Constitution. Are you saying that your faith is based on a declaration of war and a set of man-made laws? If I'm misunderstanding something here, please let me know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ravenstar Posted December 31, 2014 Share Posted December 31, 2014 I'll start, but the professor probably knows a lot more than I do. An introduction to evolution The definition Biological evolution, simply put, is descent with modification. This definition encompasses small-scale evolution (changes in gene frequency in a population from one generation to the next) and large-scale evolution (the descent of different species from a common ancestor over many generations). Evolution helps us to understand the history of life. The explanation Biological evolution is not simply a matter of change over time. Lots of things change over time: trees lose their leaves, mountain ranges rise and erode, but they aren't examples of biological evolution because they don't involve descent through genetic inheritance. The central idea of biological evolution is that all life on Earth shares a common ancestor, just as you and your cousins share a common grandmother. Through the process of descent with modification, the common ancestor of life on Earth gave rise to the fantastic diversity that we see documented in the fossil record and around us today. Evolution means that we're all distant cousins: humans and oak trees, hummingbirds and whales. Source: http://evolution.berkeley.edu/evolibrary/article/evo_01 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ravenstar Posted December 31, 2014 Share Posted December 31, 2014 "So present YOUR evidence." There, fixed it for you! It isn't my evidence… but where would you like to start? Phylogeny? Biology? Genetics? Fossil record? Geology? The decay of radioactive isotopes? Ring species? Influenza vaccines? Beans? Dogs? Horses? Fruit Flies? Comparative Embryology? I'm game, pick a field. What happen to the photon when sound waves move over the light does, the photon expand and being to shine? Please rephrase that in English. Kai thx! Wait… sound waves over photons? What r u smoking' bro? Are you referring to nonpropagating excitation? (doubtful but ..) Sound is a wave.. photons are particles of light. Photons can exist in a vacuum, sound can not. We have a physicist... I'll let him answer physics questions. And that's physics, not evolution… stay on topic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WarriorPoet Posted December 31, 2014 Share Posted December 31, 2014 "So present YOUR evidence." There, fixed it for you! It isn't my evidence… but where would you like to start? Phylogeny? Biology? Genetics? Fossil record? Geology? The decay of radioactive isotopes? Ring species? Influenza vaccines? Beans? Dogs? Horses? Fruit Flies? Comparative Embryology? I'm game, pick a field. What happen to the photon when sound waves move over the light does, the photon expand and being to shine? When we say something "shines" that means it is giving of electromagnetic radiation in the form of photons whose wavelength happens to fall within the range of visible light. It interacts with the nerves in your eye and is then interpreted by your brain. Your understanding of what a photon is and how it behaves is fractally wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Furball Posted December 31, 2014 Share Posted December 31, 2014 I'll start, but the professor probably knows a lot more than I do. An introduction to evolution The definition Biological evolution, simply put, is descent with modification. This definition encompasses small-scale evolution (changes in gene frequency in a population from one generation to the next) and large-scale evolution (the descent of different species from a common ancestor over many generations). Evolution helps us to understand the history of life. The explanation Biological evolution is not simply a matter of change over time. Lots of things change over time: trees lose their leaves, mountain ranges rise and erode, but they aren't examples of biological evolution because they don't involve descent through genetic inheritance. The central idea of biological evolution is that all life on Earth shares a common ancestor, just as you and your cousins share a common grandmother. Through the process of descent with modification, the common ancestor of life on Earth gave rise to the fantastic diversity that we see documented in the fossil record and around us today. Evolution means that we're all distant cousins: humans and oak trees, hummingbirds and whales. Source: http://evolution.berkeley.edu/evolibrary/article/evo_01 Thank you ravenstar for going to the trouble to post this. It really helps. _peace Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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