Two Yes Or No Questions

[Shinzon]

 

Hey iron horse I got a question for you.

Why ask the questions to begin with? It's like asking for the solution to a sudoku before completing one.

 

 

Because, for me, answering the question about whether there is or is not a God, is the most

important question in my life.

fair enough

But something that has always bugged me about that question particularly how you phrased it is that it make it sounds like a option. I became a atheist because it was the only conclusion I could draw from what I see and know. To ask are you sure or is there implies a possibility of being wrong. As far as at least the concept of Yahweh goes there isn't a is there there is only a isn't. That means the only hope you have or any apologist has of converting me is turning that isn't into a is, and its why I said when this thread first started it was a poorly formed question. Atheism is a conclusion stop treating it like a competing premise please.

[Shinzon]

If I were to attempt to phrase your question to my liking it would.go something like this.

 

Is theism possible given what may or may not be known about the way the world is?

[ironhorse]

 

 

Hey iron horse I got a question for you.

Why ask the questions to begin with? It's like asking for the solution to a sudoku before completing one.

 

Because, for me, answering the question about whether there is or is not a God, is the most

important question in my life.

fair enough

But something that has always bugged me about that question particularly how you phrased it is that it make it sounds like a option. I became a atheist because it was the only conclusion I could draw from what I see and know. To ask are you sure or is there implies a possibility of being wrong. As far as at least the concept of Yahweh goes there isn't a is there there is only a isn't. That means the only hope you have or any apologist has of converting me is turning that isn't into a is, and its why I said when this thread first started it was a poorly formed question. Atheism is a conclusion stop treating it like a competing premise please.

 

 

 

Your response is fair. I think I understand what you are saying.

 

I realize I can't prove scientifically that there is a God. I can't say there God is. 

[Castiel233]

 

 

But in case you are thinking then you could ask me for all I have, that is not allowed under Luke 6:30 Sect.2 which states "...and of him that taketh away thy goods ask them not again."  

 How convenient , a text, that cancels out another text 

 

 

Not really, because IH wouldn't have been to then turn around and asked you for to give all that you had taken from him back.

 

 

Luke 6:31: And as ye would that men should do to you, do ye also to them likewise.

Wow. just wow. Seems like a complete cop out

 

Hey, what can I say, I didn't come to rewrite the scriptures but to fulfill them.

 

 

But seems like a relative life issue for people to discuss and reflect upon.

It seems like a text Christians will discuss and reflect upon, as an excuse to not obey it

 

 

Let's see, you brought the subject up for discussion, gave your opinion upon the matter, and let me dare say, wouldn't obey what you believe Jesus said.

 

Let's see, I brought the subject up for discussion, gave my opinion on the matter (basically that Christian posters on here wouldn't obey what Jesus  said).....and you proved my point by.........not obeying what Jesus said......

 

I am not an unkind guy on-line, or in real life. If you want to disobey Jesus, that is up to you, but I submit, that your willingness to disobey indicates a level of disbelief in Him.

 

Suit yourself if you want to obey Christ or not, but your refusal to obey really belittles your on line evangelicalism. If you (as a believer) pooh pooh's the teachings of Christ(well the ones you don't like at least) then perhaps witnessing to a group of ex Christians, while living in disobedience is a little bit hypocritical 

[Shinzon]

 

 

 

Hey iron horse I got a question for you.

Why ask the questions to begin with? It's like asking for the solution to a sudoku before completing one.

 

 

Because, for me, answering the question about whether there is or is not a God, is the most

important question in my life.

fair enough

But something that has always bugged me about that question particularly how you phrased it is that it make it sounds like a option. I became a atheist because it was the only conclusion I could draw from what I see and know. To ask are you sure or is there implies a possibility of being wrong. As far as at least the concept of Yahweh goes there isn't a is there there is only a isn't. That means the only hope you have or any apologist has of converting me is turning that isn't into a is, and its why I said when this thread first started it was a poorly formed question. Atheism is a conclusion stop treating it like a competing premise please.

 

 

Your response is fair. I think I understand what you are saying.

 

I realize I can't prove scientifically that there is a God. I can't say there God is.

now your getting it. Now the question I have for you seeing as you seem to be following my point so far is is that if for you Christian theism is the conclusion to what you know then what do you know that makes you see theiam as the conclusion. I want specifics please. I'm trying to get you to look at your presuppositions that lead you to start this thread. What is theistic in your world?

[ironhorse]

 

 

 

 

Hey iron horse I got a question for you.

Why ask the questions to begin with? It's like asking for the solution to a sudoku before completing one.

 

Because, for me, answering the question about whether there is or is not a God, is the most

important question in my life.

fair enough

But something that has always bugged me about that question particularly how you phrased it is that it make it sounds like a option. I became a atheist because it was the only conclusion I could draw from what I see and know. To ask are you sure or is there implies a possibility of being wrong. As far as at least the concept of Yahweh goes there isn't a is there there is only a isn't. That means the only hope you have or any apologist has of converting me is turning that isn't into a is, and its why I said when this thread first started it was a poorly formed question. Atheism is a conclusion stop treating it like a competing premise please.

 

 

Your response is fair. I think I understand what you are saying.

 

I realize I can't prove scientifically that there is a God. I can't say there God is.

now your getting it. Now the question I have for you seeing as you seem to be following my point so far is is that if for you Christian theism is the conclusion to what you know then what do you know that makes you see theiam as the conclusion. I want specifics please. I'm trying to get you to look at your presuppositions that lead you to start this thread. What is theistic in your world?

 

 

 

My theistic world view gives my life order, hope, purpose, and gratitude. I realize that atheists can also hold to some or all of these concepts. The difference is, I think, the atheist’s views can be highly personal and subjective. It can also be fleeting or subject to change.

As a theist, I have solid confidence in the order, hope, and purpose resulting from God’s existence, and as a result, my gratitude is more consistent and unwavering. I believe my life is a journey that will not end at death, it is eternal.

[thereisnoperfect]

 

 

 

 

 

Hey iron horse I got a question for you.

Why ask the questions to begin with? It's like asking for the solution to a sudoku before completing one.

 

Because, for me, answering the question about whether there is or is not a God, is the most

important question in my life.

fair enough

But something that has always bugged me about that question particularly how you phrased it is that it make it sounds like a option. I became a atheist because it was the only conclusion I could draw from what I see and know. To ask are you sure or is there implies a possibility of being wrong. As far as at least the concept of Yahweh goes there isn't a is there there is only a isn't. That means the only hope you have or any apologist has of converting me is turning that isn't into a is, and its why I said when this thread first started it was a poorly formed question. Atheism is a conclusion stop treating it like a competing premise please.

 

 

Your response is fair. I think I understand what you are saying.

 

I realize I can't prove scientifically that there is a God. I can't say there God is.

now your getting it. Now the question I have for you seeing as you seem to be following my point so far is is that if for you Christian theism is the conclusion to what you know then what do you know that makes you see theiam as the conclusion. I want specifics please. I'm trying to get you to look at your presuppositions that lead you to start this thread. What is theistic in your world?

 

 

 

My theistic world view gives my life order, hope, purpose, and gratitude. I realize that atheists can also hold to some or all of these concepts. The difference is, I think, the atheist’s views can be highly personal and subjective. It can also be fleeting or subject to change.

As a theist, I have solid confidence in the order, hope, and purpose resulting from God’s existence, and as a result, my gratitude is more consistent and unwavering. I believe my life is a journey that will not end at death, it is eternal.

 

Do you realize how condescending this is? "My world view gives good things. Your world view might, I guess. But yours is subjective. Mine isn't subjective at all."

 

I used to have a theistic world view. In some ways, it helped. Then it fell apart and became untenable. And then I was able to see all the ways it was also harmful to me.

 

Now I'm happier, healthier, more productive, more grateful, and more alive. And I'm living with purpose and energy. I expect when I die that will be it or me--and for you. I could be wrong, you could be wrong. I acknowledge that possibility: you duck it. I don't come to your place and tell you that you should live like me, even though I'm convinced you'd be better off. You come here and tell me that I should be like you because it makes you happy. But I've been like you and already know both.

 

Imagine this: you used to live in, I dunno, Pittsburgh, and then you moved to San Diego. And now someone who has always lived in Pittsburgh keeps calling you up and telling you that Pittsburgh is the only place to live, and San Diego is bad. Why would you listen to this person? Why would this person pretend they know more about the two cities than you do?

[ironhorse]

 

 

 

 

 

 

Hey iron horse I got a question for you.

Why ask the questions to begin with? It's like asking for the solution to a sudoku before completing one.

 

Because, for me, answering the question about whether there is or is not a God, is the most

important question in my life.

fair enough

But something that has always bugged me about that question particularly how you phrased it is that it make it sounds like a option. I became a atheist because it was the only conclusion I could draw from what I see and know. To ask are you sure or is there implies a possibility of being wrong. As far as at least the concept of Yahweh goes there isn't a is there there is only a isn't. That means the only hope you have or any apologist has of converting me is turning that isn't into a is, and its why I said when this thread first started it was a poorly formed question. Atheism is a conclusion stop treating it like a competing premise please.

 

 

Your response is fair. I think I understand what you are saying.

 

I realize I can't prove scientifically that there is a God. I can't say there God is.

now your getting it. Now the question I have for you seeing as you seem to be following my point so far is is that if for you Christian theism is the conclusion to what you know then what do you know that makes you see theiam as the conclusion. I want specifics please. I'm trying to get you to look at your presuppositions that lead you to start this thread. What is theistic in your world?

 

 

 

My theistic world view gives my life order, hope, purpose, and gratitude. I realize that atheists can also hold to some or all of these concepts. The difference is, I think, the atheist’s views can be highly personal and subjective. It can also be fleeting or subject to change.

As a theist, I have solid confidence in the order, hope, and purpose resulting from God’s existence, and as a result, my gratitude is more consistent and unwavering. I believe my life is a journey that will not end at death, it is eternal.

 

Do you realize how condescending this is? "My world view gives good things. Your world view might, I guess. But yours is subjective. Mine isn't subjective at all."

 

I used to have a theistic world view. In some ways, it helped. Then it fell apart and became untenable. And then I was able to see all the ways it was also harmful to me.

 

Now I'm happier, healthier, more productive, more grateful, and more alive. And I'm living with purpose and energy. I expect when I die that will be it or me--and for you. I could be wrong, you could be wrong. I acknowledge that possibility: you duck it. I don't come to your place and tell you that you should live like me, even though I'm convinced you'd be better off. You come here and tell me that I should be like you because it makes you happy. But I've been like you and already know both.

 

Imagine this: you used to live in, I dunno, Pittsburgh, and then you moved to San Diego. And now someone who has always lived in Pittsburgh keeps calling you up and telling you that Pittsburgh is the only place to live, and San Diego is bad. Why would you listen to this person? Why would this person pretend they know more about the two cities than you do?

 

 

 

I did not say mine is not subjective at all.

 

My world view is based on what I believe about God. So in that sense, it is subjective. It is what I choose to accept.

 

The point was trying to make is I am not free to dismiss or change my view based on my current thoughts or whims.

[Shinzon]

 

 

 

 

 

Hey iron horse I got a question for you.

Why ask the questions to begin with? It's like asking for the solution to a sudoku before completing one.

 

Because, for me, answering the question about whether there is or is not a God, is the most

important question in my life.

fair enough

But something that has always bugged me about that question particularly how you phrased it is that it make it sounds like a option. I became a atheist because it was the only conclusion I could draw from what I see and know. To ask are you sure or is there implies a possibility of being wrong. As far as at least the concept of Yahweh goes there isn't a is there there is only a isn't. That means the only hope you have or any apologist has of converting me is turning that isn't into a is, and its why I said when this thread first started it was a poorly formed question. Atheism is a conclusion stop treating it like a competing premise please.

 

Your response is fair. I think I understand what you are saying.

 

I realize I can't prove scientifically that there is a God. I can't say there God is.

now your getting it. Now the question I have for you seeing as you seem to be following my point so far is is that if for you Christian theism is the conclusion to what you know then what do you know that makes you see theiam as the conclusion. I want specifics please. I'm trying to get you to look at your presuppositions that lead you to start this thread. What is theistic in your world?

 

My theistic world view gives my life order, hope, purpose, and gratitude. I realize that atheists can also hold to some or all of these concepts. The difference is, I think, the atheist’s views can be highly personal and subjective.

 

As a theist, I have solid confidence in the order, hope, and purpose resulting from God’s existence, and as a result, my gratitude is more consistent and unwavering. I believe my life is a journey that will not end at death, it is eternal.

was there a apologetic or some personal experience or some other forms of evidence as well as this? And for me I am not sure why those things "grace, gratitude, etc" really matters. I know that stuff exists and I feel it. That seems to be all that matters. Why do you feel different? Why does it need to always be objective and never

 

In the interest of full disclosure, I figure I need to explain in brief why I deconverted. I got interested in defending the faith. Lost it as I researched the resurrection as a historical event amoung other things. Logically and historically the idea that Jesus rose seems impossible given what is known. I became a atheist because all other religions both didn't compare and were even less able to convince them what Christianity failed to. do.

[♦ ficino ♦]

My theistic world view gives my life order, hope, purpose, and gratitude. I realize that atheists can also hold to some or all of these concepts. The difference is, I think, the atheist’s views can be highly personal and subjective. It can also be fleeting or subject to change.

As a theist, I have solid confidence in the order, hope, and purpose resulting from God’s existence, and as a result, my gratitude is more consistent and unwavering. I believe my life is a journey that will not end at death, it is eternal.

I am reminded of how many people, when asked, would you become a kid again, reply, I wouldn't go through all that again for any amount of money.

 

I thought my theistic world view gave my life all the above things.

 

But time passed. and there kept coming:

 

unanswered prayers, that called for mental adjustments to the promises in the Bible...

 

cases of God's injustice, if He existed (big time: ALL the gays and lesbians in the world are supposed to be celibate or take chances on dodgy marriages? ALL of them?)

 

the question, why do the leaders/scripture writers get to be the adults telling me, as though I'm a little kid, that I can't decide anything?

 

science

 

history

 

philosophy (learning when the other fellow is talking rot)

 

Eventually the life of order, hope, purpose and gratitude showed itself more and more clearly as life outside the cult.

 

I can't conceive of going back, no matter how lonely I become in old age (I might break down and hang out with Unitarians or something... )

[Shinzon]

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Hey iron horse I got a question for you.

Why ask the questions to begin with? It's like asking for the solution to a sudoku before completing one.

 

 

Because, for me, answering the question about whether there is or is not a God, is the most

important question in my life.

fair enough

But something that has always bugged me about that question particularly how you phrased it is that it make it sounds like a option. I became a atheist because it was the only conclusion I could draw from what I see and know. To ask are you sure or is there implies a possibility of being wrong. As far as at least the concept of Yahweh goes there isn't a is there there is only a isn't. That means the only hope you have or any apologist has of converting me is turning that isn't into a is, and its why I said when this thread first started it was a poorly formed question. Atheism is a conclusion stop treating it like a competing premise please.

 

 

Your response is fair. I think I understand what you are saying.

 

I realize I can't prove scientifically that there is a God. I can't say there God is.

now your getting it. Now the question I have for you seeing as you seem to be following my point so far is is that if for you Christian theism is the conclusion to what you know then what do you know that makes you see theiam as the conclusion. I want specifics please. I'm trying to get you to look at your presuppositions that lead you to start this thread. What is theistic in your world?

 

 

My theistic world view gives my life order, hope, purpose, and gratitude. I realize that atheists can also hold to some or all of these concepts. The difference is, I think, the atheist’s views can be highly personal and subjective. It can also be fleeting or subject to change.

As a theist, I have solid confidence in the order, hope, and purpose resulting from God’s existence, and as a result, my gratitude is more consistent and unwavering. I believe my life is a journey that will not end at death, it is eternal.

Do you realize how condescending this is? "My world view gives good things. Your world view might, I guess. But yours is subjective. Mine isn't subjective at all."

 

I used to have a theistic world view. In some ways, it helped. Then it fell apart and became untenable. And then I was able to see all the ways it was also harmful to me.

 

Now I'm happier, healthier, more productive, more grateful, and more alive. And I'm living with purpose and energy. I expect when I die that will be it or me--and for you. I could be wrong, you could be wrong. I acknowledge that possibility: you duck it. I don't come to your place and tell you that you should live like me, even though I'm convinced you'd be better off. You come here and tell me that I should be like you because it makes you happy. But I've been like you and already know both.

 

Imagine this: you used to live in, I dunno, Pittsburgh, and then you moved to San Diego. And now someone who has always lived in Pittsburgh keeps calling you up and telling you that Pittsburgh is the only place to live, and San Diego is bad. Why would you listen to this person? Why would this person pretend they know more about the two cities than you do?

 

 

I did not say mine is not subjective at all.

 

My world view is based on what I believe about God. So in that sense, it is subjective. It is what I choose to accept.

 

The point was trying to make is I am not free to dismiss or change my view based on my current thoughts or whims.

neither could I change mine without a change in what is or isn't evidence.

 

But as I asked in my other post. What specifically is you evidence. Is it some prophecy, some miracle, or a culmination of things.

[disillusioned]

 

 

 

Sigh. In my head I know BAA is right. Because I've seen ironhorse in action. But my heart, OTOH............

 

Yes or no is dumb. Without the ability to qualify the answer.

 

So: question one - absolutely sure there is no god: No. I would have to be omniscient to say that. What I am, is convinced that the overwhelming weight of the evidence supports the proposition that the god of the bible is not real. And I feel the probability is high enough that I'm willing to "risk" the "eternal" fate of my "soul" on it.

 

Question two: is it possible? Of course. But you didn't say which god you're talking about. There are about a thousand different ones to choose from. THEY ALL ARE POSSIBLE. It's possible that Mormonism is true. That Islam is the true faith. That the greek gods are real, and they are really pissed off that we're pretending they are myths. That the flying spaghetti monster is real. That I can increase my spiritual energy by hanging a crystal pyramid around my neck. That I am a bot and not a human being. IS IT POSSIBLE? That's a really dumb-ass question. The evidence for yahweh is no better than the evidence for the rest of the list. Which is: none.

 

There are plenty of people here who can show that, if you show a list of attributes of your god, they can demonstrate by logic methodology, that that god is impossible.

 

Take a break from your superstitions for just one day, and engage your brain, ironhorse. You might find somebody is home after all. It would be wonderful sight to behold.

 

Sorry, BAA. Low-hanging fruit, ya know?

 

 

 

Which God?

 

God singular, not plural gods.

 

One universal eternal being, the creator and ruler of the universe; the supreme being.

 

God

 

 

I'm not accepting this IH. Answer my question, please. What, exactly, do you mean when you say "God". Be specific.

 

 

 

In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was with God in the beginning. Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made.

 

~ John 1:1-3

 

 

This is what we call an impredicative definition. I ask you what you mean by God, and you respond with "the Word was with God, and the Word was God". This is not answering the question. If you asked me what pizza was, and I said "the meal I eat when I eat pizza" that would not be helpful.

 

You asked whether I know that God does not exist, and whether it is possible that He does. I repeat: what, exactly, do you mean by "God"?

[♦ ficino ♦]

You asked whether I know that God does not exist, and whether it is possible that He does. I repeat: what, exactly, do you mean by "God"?

Insert Bible verse here, or U2 lyric.

[thereisnoperfect]

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Hey iron horse I got a question for you.

Why ask the questions to begin with? It's like asking for the solution to a sudoku before completing one.

 

Because, for me, answering the question about whether there is or is not a God, is the most

important question in my life.

fair enough

But something that has always bugged me about that question particularly how you phrased it is that it make it sounds like a option. I became a atheist because it was the only conclusion I could draw from what I see and know. To ask are you sure or is there implies a possibility of being wrong. As far as at least the concept of Yahweh goes there isn't a is there there is only a isn't. That means the only hope you have or any apologist has of converting me is turning that isn't into a is, and its why I said when this thread first started it was a poorly formed question. Atheism is a conclusion stop treating it like a competing premise please.

 

 

Your response is fair. I think I understand what you are saying.

 

I realize I can't prove scientifically that there is a God. I can't say there God is.

now your getting it. Now the question I have for you seeing as you seem to be following my point so far is is that if for you Christian theism is the conclusion to what you know then what do you know that makes you see theiam as the conclusion. I want specifics please. I'm trying to get you to look at your presuppositions that lead you to start this thread. What is theistic in your world?

 

 

 

My theistic world view gives my life order, hope, purpose, and gratitude. I realize that atheists can also hold to some or all of these concepts. The difference is, I think, the atheist’s views can be highly personal and subjective. It can also be fleeting or subject to change.

As a theist, I have solid confidence in the order, hope, and purpose resulting from God’s existence, and as a result, my gratitude is more consistent and unwavering. I believe my life is a journey that will not end at death, it is eternal.

 

Do you realize how condescending this is? "My world view gives good things. Your world view might, I guess. But yours is subjective. Mine isn't subjective at all."

 

I used to have a theistic world view. In some ways, it helped. Then it fell apart and became untenable. And then I was able to see all the ways it was also harmful to me.

 

Now I'm happier, healthier, more productive, more grateful, and more alive. And I'm living with purpose and energy. I expect when I die that will be it or me--and for you. I could be wrong, you could be wrong. I acknowledge that possibility: you duck it. I don't come to your place and tell you that you should live like me, even though I'm convinced you'd be better off. You come here and tell me that I should be like you because it makes you happy. But I've been like you and already know both.

 

Imagine this: you used to live in, I dunno, Pittsburgh, and then you moved to San Diego. And now someone who has always lived in Pittsburgh keeps calling you up and telling you that Pittsburgh is the only place to live, and San Diego is bad. Why would you listen to this person? Why would this person pretend they know more about the two cities than you do?

 

 

 

I did not say mine is not subjective at all.

 

My world view is based on what I believe about God. So in that sense, it is subjective. It is what I choose to accept.

 

The point was trying to make is I am not free to dismiss or change my view based on my current thoughts or whims.

 

Again, condescending. I don't change my world view "based on my current thoughts or whims." No one does. It's very difficult to change world views. But you insist on privileging your view, dismissing ours.

 

And if you claim "I didn't say that yours was" like you said "I didn't say mine is not subjective," then why did you bring this up in the first place? You're clearly trying to make a distinction between your world view and the ones held by some of the people here, but you want to always set it up as though yours is inherently superior without even asking about ours.

 

It's rude and non-productive, and if you are trying to treat others as you wish they'd treat you, you should knock it off.

[Castiel233]

Luke 6:31 “Do to others as you would have them do to you.”The key to understanding verse 30 is to remember verse 31 and the surrounding verses.

Christ does not order us never to refuse a request: but the meaning of his words is, that we are to give what is just and reasonable, what will be neither injurious to yourself nor your family.

Our first duty is providing for our own families, and then doing good to the household of faith, then also to others, as we are able, and give to them we think truly need our help.

This is where we have to think and make a judgement on when and what to give. Do I give the homeless man the money he says he needs or buy him a meal? There is no definitive answer, but taken in context with the surrounding verses, the answer seems to imply that we are to assume there is a real need, even if we might be a bit skeptical. It doesn't imply that a genuine need must exist.  It implies that we are to assume that such a need is genuine. We are to trust, rather than doubt, and show God's love by extending mercy where undeserved.

My understanding is that Christ tells us to hate our families,(as well as ourselves), He further tells us to abandon them. So I don't get you reasoning (sorry). The OT tells parents to kill their kids for being disobedient.

 

Your first duty is to Christ, always. You as a Christian should be the first to realize this.

 

It seems to me that you are rationalizing your refusal to obey Biblical doctrines you simply do not like. If Christ was (is) who the Church says he is, then Christians should obey His teachings...but they don't, and they won't.

 

Early Christians really did live the gospel, they left their families, they lived in real poverty, they slept in caves........modern Christians do not live the gospel, they lack real faith. They go to church and do a spot of evangelism (often on-line) and think this is going to get them into Heaven.

[Thought2Much]

 

 

 

Sigh. In my head I know BAA is right. Because I've seen ironhorse in action. But my heart, OTOH............

 

Yes or no is dumb. Without the ability to qualify the answer.

 

So: question one - absolutely sure there is no god: No. I would have to be omniscient to say that. What I am, is convinced that the overwhelming weight of the evidence supports the proposition that the god of the bible is not real. And I feel the probability is high enough that I'm willing to "risk" the "eternal" fate of my "soul" on it.

 

Question two: is it possible? Of course. But you didn't say which god you're talking about. There are about a thousand different ones to choose from. THEY ALL ARE POSSIBLE. It's possible that Mormonism is true. That Islam is the true faith. That the greek gods are real, and they are really pissed off that we're pretending they are myths. That the flying spaghetti monster is real. That I can increase my spiritual energy by hanging a crystal pyramid around my neck. That I am a bot and not a human being. IS IT POSSIBLE? That's a really dumb-ass question. The evidence for yahweh is no better than the evidence for the rest of the list. Which is: none.

 

There are plenty of people here who can show that, if you show a list of attributes of your god, they can demonstrate by logic methodology, that that god is impossible.

 

Take a break from your superstitions for just one day, and engage your brain, ironhorse. You might find somebody is home after all. It would be wonderful sight to behold.

 

Sorry, BAA. Low-hanging fruit, ya know?

 

 

 

Which God?

 

God singular, not plural gods.

 

One universal eternal being, the creator and ruler of the universe; the supreme being.

 

God

 

 

I'm not accepting this IH. Answer my question, please. What, exactly, do you mean when you say "God". Be specific.

 

 

 

In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was with God in the beginning. Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made.

 

~ John 1:1-3

 

 

That was really fucking lame, even for you, ironhorse.

[TheRedneckProfessor]

Bono believes there is a god.

 

It is possible that Bono exists.

[BarbarousBill]

How is god defined?

[mymistake]

How is god defined?

 

 

An imaginary character created by humans.

[rjn]

Are you absolutely sure there is no God?

 

If not, then is it not possible that there is a God?

 

I will answer you, and give you two counter-questions as well:

 

1. No, I'm not sure and neither are you.

 

2. Yes, but the keyword here is possible. A possibility does not entail certainty, and furthermore, even if there is a god, what makes you think it is the one you believe in? There are numerous people here on ex-C who are not strict atheists, or atheists at all. They certainly believe in some sort of divinity, just not your version of it.

 

I have two questions for you:

 

1. Are you absolutely sure Odin is not real?

 

2. If not, is it not possible that Odin exists?