Roz Posted May 12, 2014 Share Posted May 12, 2014 Notice how believers will not hesitate to tell people about their god? They'll construct elaborate reasons and 'frameworks' on why they logically conclude that he exists and that he is real. They will go on about all the good teachings that god did. The happy clappy church-safe stories and teachings he taught. When asked about the darker side of god, the answer is "don't ask me, I'm not god, that's his nature! You're trying to trap me!" No, it's not a trap. You nod and smile and affirm the good things your god taught, but just brush off the bad immoral crimes he committed. Bravo, monotheistic god. You're one hell of a troll. You've raised a nice army of trolls, and what's more they think they're not victims themselves. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wololo Posted May 12, 2014 Share Posted May 12, 2014 No, it's something called context, and none of you understand what it means. I would explain further, but you can't seem to fathom it. God doesn't have a bad side. If you were more receptive to context, I would be able to explain it, but all I meet is hot resistance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orbit Posted May 12, 2014 Share Posted May 12, 2014 We fathom it, we just have very good reasons for not agreeing with it--something that you can't fathom. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wololo Posted May 12, 2014 Share Posted May 12, 2014 So we disagree. Fine. Your perception and mine are two different things. You don't agree with the conclusion drawn from the context. It seems that's the case. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest afireinside Posted May 12, 2014 Share Posted May 12, 2014 No, it's something called context, and none of you understand what it means. I would explain further, but you can't seem to fathom it. God doesn't have a bad side. If you were more receptive to context, I would be able to explain it, but all I meet is hot resistance. I understand context. The context is God is responsible for all the wrongs he committed and people are punished in the Bible for being in existence due to God allowing them to be in the first place, then turning on them by condemning them and killing them for being the people he created them to be, with the flaws he created, with no acceptance of his own faulty design and lack of planning. That's the context, Christians argue on behalf of a God who should have done something better with his time and creativity than allow people to be born into a world that is not conducive to living for him because the conditions are against man knowing and serving God the way he wants so he thinks it's just to punish and kill in the name of morality. God IS the source of immorality, only an ignorant person cannot accept that. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orbit Posted May 12, 2014 Share Posted May 12, 2014 So we disagree. Fine. Your perception and mine are two different things. You don't agree with the conclusion drawn from the context. It seems that's the case. I think your concept of context is apologist mental gymnastics. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest afireinside Posted May 12, 2014 Share Posted May 12, 2014 You're right, God doesn't have a bad side, he is one sided and consistently bad. There is no good in God or else we wouldn't be here under these circumstances. Are you happy with God's faulty workmanship mate? Are you satisfied this life is a result of God's goodness. A friend of mine died today after a battle with leukemia, is God good to let her suffer and die at age 40? Is he going to raise her children out of goodness? Did he respond to the prayers? Does he give a fuck? NO. Thankfully he's not real or I would hate him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Moderator TheRedneckProfessor Posted May 12, 2014 Super Moderator Share Posted May 12, 2014 No, it's something called context, and none of you understand what it means. I would explain further, but you can't seem to fathom it. God doesn't have a bad side. If you were more receptive to context, I would be able to explain it, but all I meet is hot resistance. Let's begin by defining the word "context". What do you think the word means that we, as ex-christians, don't seem to understand? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest afireinside Posted May 12, 2014 Share Posted May 12, 2014 C'mon Wololo, tell me where you're good God is! Where is he? How can you believe in a piece of shit deity who loves to punish but refuses to help? How can you defend a monster who allows the world to spin out of control and blame the lesser being for allowing mistakes and evil to exist when he knew the outcome and permitted the fallout to happen. Why bother defending the existence of a non-existent, self absorbed, jealous, ignorant, foolish, petty, unable to accept blame, bigoted, sexist, hypocritical, angry beyond reason game playing cunt? End of debate Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest afireinside Posted May 12, 2014 Share Posted May 12, 2014 I support the victim not the perpetrator. That is morality you goose. Stop supporting immorality on this thread, it's ugly. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FreeThinkerNZ Posted May 12, 2014 Share Posted May 12, 2014 So we disagree. Fine. Your perception and mine are two different things. You don't agree with the conclusion drawn from the context. It seems that's the case. I'm glad you've accepted that we have differing perceptions and conclusions and that it's ok to disagree. That's a start. You're right, God doesn't have a bad side, he is one sided and consistently bad. There is no good in God or else we wouldn't be here under these circumstances. Are you happy with God's faulty workmanship mate? Are you satisfied this life is a result of God's goodness. A friend of mine died today after a battle with leukemia, is God good to let her suffer and die at age 40? Is he going to raise her children out of goodness? Did he respond to the prayers? Does he give a fuck? NO. Thankfully he's not real or I would hate him. afireinside, I am so sorry to hear about your friend. My thoughts are with you. Wololo, that is an example of morality and humanity. Treating others as you would want to be treated. No other philosophy is necessary. The god of the bible is utterly immoral, in any context, and provides no basis for guiding human decisions about anything. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mymistake Posted May 12, 2014 Share Posted May 12, 2014 No, it's something called context, and none of you understand what it means. I would explain further, but you can't seem to fathom it. God doesn't have a bad side. If you were more receptive to context, I would be able to explain it, but all I meet is hot resistance. Did I understand context during the 30+ years that I was a Christian; back when I believed God was all good, all knowing all powerful, and the author of the Bible? If so then what happened to my understanding? If not then why not? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShackledNoMore Posted May 13, 2014 Share Posted May 13, 2014 No, it's something called context, and none of you understand what it means. I would explain further, but you can't seem to fathom it. God doesn't have a bad side. If you were more receptive to context, I would be able to explain it, but all I meet is hot resistance. Sorry. I've read the bible. All of it. More than once. In context. The fact is, I never really appreciated context until AFTER I deconverted. Of course I can't speak for every last Christian and every last church in the face of the earth, but it's been my observation that the most typical style of "teaching" from the pulpit is to jump around the bible, picking out verses that support your sermon. Then there's "when the bible says x, it means y," which is invariably tailored to the theology of the particular preacher/church. Then there's the historical context, frequently derived from the stories in the bible. Then there's the god who tolerated one man to be married to 700 women while he ordered his followers to stone people to death who picked up sticks on the Sabbath (we know he only tolerated this type of marriage because from recent times we learned that he always intended for marriage to be one man, one woman--good thing that our cultural context has changed so that you can go to Denny's now after church, not that it wouldn't be the mark of an all loving god to have those same wait staff executed if only the context was slightly different). Finally, we thank the holy spirit for the discernment to determine all those side-by-side harsh verses in Leviticus which were contextual and which ones still apply today. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sdelsolray Posted May 13, 2014 Share Posted May 13, 2014 No, it's something called context, and none of you understand what it means. I would explain further, but you can't seem to fathom it. God doesn't have a bad side. If you were more receptive to context, I would be able to explain it, but all I meet is hot resistance. Mr. "I Know the Truth and You Don't" speaks. Apparently, this one thinks his apologetics are special. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sdelsolray Posted May 13, 2014 Share Posted May 13, 2014 So we disagree. Fine. Your perception and mine are two different things. You don't agree with the conclusion drawn from the context. It seems that's the case. I think your concept of context is apologist mental gymnastics. More accurately, Wololo lies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thereisnoperfect Posted May 13, 2014 Share Posted May 13, 2014 No, it's something called context, and none of you understand what it means. I would explain further, but you can't seem to fathom it. God doesn't have a bad side. If you were more receptive to context, I would be able to explain it, but all I meet is hot resistance. How DARE you? You throw a big fit in the other thread about ad hominem attacks, and then you dare to claim people don't understand a concept as simple as 'context'?!? Where do you get off? Why don't you go back to your important god-ordained work in that call center and see if you can get people there to care what you think? 'Cause I've got a master's degree and a real job, and I can explain context backwards and forwards. None of it means what you claim it means, and the fact that you can't get any of us to see why it should means that you are not a very good communicator. Don't put your inability to understand basic rhetorical strategies on us. If you understood context, you would never in a million years come into this forum talking the way you do. Go figure it out yourself--nobody here needs you to teach them anything. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest afireinside Posted May 13, 2014 Share Posted May 13, 2014 Where do you get off? My guess is on the couch while watching Cliff Knectle's "Give Me An Answer" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
◊ crazyguy123 ◊ Posted May 13, 2014 Share Posted May 13, 2014 God doesn't have a bad side. How do you know this? How do you know that he's not just some sadistic monster that enjoys watching his creations suffer? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sdelsolray Posted May 13, 2014 Share Posted May 13, 2014 God doesn't have a bad side. How do you know this? How do you know that he's not just some sadistic monster that enjoys watching his creations suffer? He doesn't. He merely asserts. That's Wololo's MO. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
violetbutterfly Posted May 13, 2014 Share Posted May 13, 2014 No, it's something called context, and none of you understand what it means. I would explain further, but you can't seem to fathom it. God doesn't have a bad side. If you were more receptive to context, I would be able to explain it, but all I meet is hot resistance. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mymistake Posted May 13, 2014 Share Posted May 13, 2014 God doesn't have a bad side. How do you know this? How do you know that he's not just some sadistic monster that enjoys watching his creations suffer? He doesn't. He merely asserts. That's Wololo's MO. Well to be fair, the vast majority of Christians are experts on the nature and views of God (even if no two have the same answers). They are all happy to share their wealth of knowledge regarding divine trivia. Wololo has been mild in that respect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vigile Posted May 13, 2014 Share Posted May 13, 2014 So we disagree. Fine. Your perception and mine are two different things. You don't agree with the conclusion drawn from the context. It seems that's the case. That tends to occur when two people use different standards of evidence. Faith is not evidence, but you treat it as such. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DoubtingNate Posted May 13, 2014 Share Posted May 13, 2014 No, it's something called context, and none of you understand what it means. I would explain further, but you can't seem to fathom it. God doesn't have a bad side. If you were more receptive to context, I would be able to explain it, but all I meet is hot resistance. Nice. I was actually about to post this: 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
francesco Posted May 13, 2014 Share Posted May 13, 2014 Look, we are all here are ex-c We learned and taught about the contexts Some of us is bible scholars and ex pastors, I bet they know more about bible contexts than you are because that is their speciality Bible context must be considered from what is on the bible, history, culture, lifestyle, etc not what is in your head Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scottsman Posted May 13, 2014 Share Posted May 13, 2014 Look, we are all here are ex-c We learned and taught about the contexts Some of us is bible scholars and ex pastors, I bet they know more about bible contexts than you are because that is their speciality Bible context must be considered from what is on the bible, history, culture, lifestyle, etc not what is in your head So god was just "going along with the times?" Doesnt sound like a moral authority to me. That is where the context argument falls of the rails. If god was adapting to the culture of that time which allowed slavery etc rather than correcting it, well then he is NOT a moral authority. We are. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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