Top Neurosurgeon ‘Spent Six Days In Heaven’ During A Coma

[LifeCycle]

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Radio Interview

 

If there's ever been a rather convincing account of something beyond this world of the physical, this man's account is it. I was up late last night listening to his interview and was impressed with his sincerity, knowledge of the brain and his account of the events that unfolded around him.

 

It should also be noted that this man didn't appear to "believe" in much of anything after this existence. Even then, maybe our minds are muddied and these NDE's are simply a magnified experience of all the "noise" in our lives as well.

 

I dunno... But thought it was interesting enough to post.

[Adam5]

I had a drink with a friend this week, and the subject of religion came up. And he said to me, "heaven where is it. You go up above the clouds theres just empty space. And hell, down there (pointing down). No such thing." His comments struck a chord with me.

[roadrunner]

Ive been studying logical fallacies and the fact that he's a neurosurgeon give a huge opportunity to the fallacy called appeal to authority. Just because its his profession, doesn't mean he's immune to the same inaccurate assumptions that every human mind makes

[mcdaddy]

You make an astute observation, RR. BRAVO!

[LifeCycle]

Ive been studying logical fallacies and the fact that he's a neurosurgeon give a huge opportunity to the fallacy called appeal to authority. Just because its his profession, doesn't mean he's immune to the same inaccurate assumptions that every human mind makes

 

The sections of the brain responsible for what he experienced were in a sense on idle mode - in a state of mere existence that produces nothing. And why did he only meet dead people from the past? Why is this common among others who experience NDE's? Why just people who have no conscience input on their daily lives yet all the sudden, there they are. Seems awfully coenkedink.

 

He goes into great detail on the cortex of the brain and other sections and what their responsibilities are. It's worth listening to and not dismissing based on a perceived "typecasting" as just another one with some crazy hallucination.

[mymistake]

If I ever get revived from a sticky situation I am so going to tell a wonderful story about meeting the Flying Spaghetti Monster. I should probably work out all the details now so that I have it memorized should the opportunity present itself.

[roadrunner]

I listened to as much as I could stand but check this out too

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xRSjzY0s0SM&

 

The only difference in these two testimonies is that one of them knows the terminology to "baffle you with B.S.". Also remember that if this is anything close to accurate there would be MANY more testimonies of this sort. Not just from people selling books (btw I did catch his plug for his book in the interview what a great radio ad, huh). Every person has a soul including people in comas and open heart surgery patients. Why are these events so isolated. Every patient in surgery or coma should get up and tell us what heaven or hell was like. But they dont.

 

This topic is very near and dear to me as it was the last thread that I clung to as I lost faith. One of the the last efforts I made to save my faith was reading Life after Death by Dinesh D'souza. who speaks of his wife's NDE. But as I took an "unbiased" look at the subject matter I had to take it all with a grain of salt. Google "God Helmet"......

[LifeCycle]

I listened to as much as I could stand but check this out too

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xRSjzY0s0SM&

 

The only difference in these two testimonies is that one of them knows the terminology to "baffle you with B.S.". Also remember that if this is anything close to accurate there would be MANY more testimonies of this sort. Not just from people selling books (btw I did catch his plug for his book in the interview what a great radio ad, huh). Every person has a soul including people in comas and open heart surgery patients. Why are these events so isolated. Every patient in surgery or coma should get up and tell us what heaven or hell was like. But they dont.

 

This topic is very near and dear to me as it was the last thread that I clung to as I lost faith. One of the the last efforts I made to save my faith was reading Life after Death by Dinesh D'souza. who speaks of his wife's NDE. But as I took an "unbiased" look at the subject matter I had to take it all with a grain of salt. Google "God Helmet"......

 

Unfortunately, we'll never know the truth in this life and if there is no after-life and we do just cease then it's true that we will never know the truth. Another unfortunate problem that brings about confusion on this matter is the existence of opportunists who may experience nothing and yet make up stories following a popular belief structure in an attempt to gain fame. Does it discount what others may really be experiencing? No. But the perception does.

 

Could all these experiences be mind-trickery by our own minds holding us hostage during these events and painting a false reality? I guess.

[Legato]

The same story in detail

 

Although I considered myself a faithful Christian, I was so more in name than in actual belief. I didn’t begrudge those who wanted to believe that Jesus was more than simply a good man who had suffered at the hands of the world. I sympathized deeply with those who wanted to believe that there was a God somewhere out there who loved us unconditionally. In fact, I envied such people the security that those beliefs no doubt provided. But as a scientist, I simply knew better than to believe them myself.

 

Looks like St. Peter isn't checking IDs at the door.

[LivingLife]

I am sooooo fucking sick of these NDEs and OOBEs being pandered about as "proof" of jeebus' fucking kiya in the sky (kiya = African for house/hut/dwelling)

 

The reason there are so many of these claims is because of SCIENCE. Yes you heard me right, SCIENCE. 60+ years ago, CPR and in particular artificial resuscitation like electric shock paddles were unheard of. Someone that drowned stayed dead, likewise heart attack victims stayed dead.

 

In ALL these cases, the brain was still very much alive. These are no more than visions and folk WILL "see" what they expect from an afterlife, either heaven or hell based on their indoctrination.

 

Not to mention, there is a huge market for these stories $$$$$$$

 

To illustrate a parallel, prior to DNA knowledge being what it is today, creationism was pretty much par for the course as to origins. Since SCIENCE has refuted this claim rather thoroughly in the last 50 years, the woos now claim that gawd in his infinite fucking wisdom created eberyting using DNA. Teh woos just cannot accept that apes are our distant cousins and will find any way to validate their santa for adults belief. It is called theistic evolution and suggests a prime mover/designer which evolution is not.

 

Less than 200 years ago, folk still had no clue as to reproduction mechanics and it was teh "Seed" of man that somehow morphed into babies. Why? 'Cause you can see cum but not ovums and menses, as per teh babble, was an unclean thing Doh!

 

OK rant over, *takes meds*

 

Now useful information "coming back from the dead" would be the formula for the cure for cancer, alzheimer's, parkinson's et al. seeing it was a doctor and all

 

[roadrunner]

The same story in detail

 

Although I considered myself a faithful Christian, I was so more in name than in actual belief. I didn’t begrudge those who wanted to believe that Jesus was more than simply a good man who had suffered at the hands of the world. I sympathized deeply with those who wanted to believe that there was a God somewhere out there who loved us unconditionally. In fact, I envied such people the security that those beliefs no doubt provided. But as a scientist, I simply knew better than to believe them myself.

 

Looks like St. Peter isn't checking IDs at the door.

 

Thats why i admire Micky Robinson. Hes the only one brave enough to say I WENT TO HELL so I changed.

 

Of course inevitably a book deal follows and people gobble it up like hot cakes. Everyone paints this rosey picture of how they float to the light and no where was their life mission to share the love of jesus, well done good and faithful servant.

[roadrunner]

I am sooooo fucking sick of these NDEs and OOBEs being pandered about as "proof" of jeebus' fucking kiya in the sky (kiya = African for house/hut/dwelling)

 

The reason there are so many of these claims is because of SCIENCE. Yes you heard me right, SCIENCE. 60+ years ago, CPR and in particular artificial resuscitation like electric shock paddles were unheard of. Someone that drowned stayed dead, likewise heart attack victims stayed dead.

 

In ALL these cases, the brain was still very much alive. These are no more than visions and folk WILL "see" what they expect from an afterlife, either heaven or hell based on their indoctrination.

 

Not to mention, there is a huge market for these stories $$$$$$$

 

To illustrate a parallel, prior to DNA knowledge being what it is today, creationism was pretty much par for the course as to origins. Since SCIENCE has refuted this claim rather thoroughly in the last 50 years, the woos now claim that gawd in his infinite fucking wisdom created eberyting using DNA. Teh woos just cannot accept that apes are our distant cousins and will find any way to validate their santa for adults belief. It is called theistic evolution and suggests a prime mover/designer which evolution is not.

 

Less than 200 years ago, folk still had no clue as to reproduction mechanics and it was teh "Seed" of man that somehow morphed into babies. Why? 'Cause you can see cum but not ovums and menses, as per teh babble, was an unclean thing Doh!

 

OK rant over, *takes meds*

 

Now useful information "coming back from the dead" would be the formula for the cure for cancer, alzheimer's, parkinson's et al. seeing it was a doctor and all

 

 

Ditto LL. I may be a little biased since Im not at all spiritual (dont ask why im in the spirituality forum, its an accident). Granted, Im open to the idea if the evidence is there but having come from a life where "Jesus told me X or Jesus told me Y" I need more than some peaceful butterfly story and nothing to show for it. but deep down I think its people desperately clinging to the idea that there HAS to be more to life than the fragile, short existence.

[florduh]

A neurosurgeon thinks unconscious is the same thing as dead? He should lose his license.

[par4dcourse]

White lights and dead people? I hope if I have a NDE it involves naked women and bacon, i.e. heaven.

[pandora]

He is obviously just trying to make an extra buck (I guess the nearly 7 figures a year is inadequate for him). He must have been schooled in old-school neuroscience, when we thought we had all the processes of the brain neatly localized and figured out. Now, we know that many processes can occur in more than one portion of the brain and that consciousness and emotion are not things that can be localized.

 

NDEs are nothing more than the brain's way of making sense of decreased activity. It isn't exactly a dream, as the brain is more functional during REM sleep. Our brains are always searching to make a pattern out of thiings and to create a story out of the input it gets from the senses. In a coma state or near-death state, where brain function is reduced, the elaborate stories are just the result of the brain making sense of the decreased input, and the stories often take on the flavor of the expectations of the patient or of the culture they were raised in. I don't get how these people get off claiming they died or were brought back to life when it is obvious that the brain was still active. Personally, I believe that our brains give us a nice pretty picture when we die just so it isn't a horrible experience, assuming certain conditions are met (the method of death would impact this greatly). I watched an atheist die last year, and he smiled towards the end before he drifted off into unconsciousness. He didn't have the strength to tell me what he saw, but I know that whatever was going on, he was at peace. I think the Tibetan Book of the Dead gives a nice way to "practice" dying. I believe that in some circumstances, we can control the rate and nature of our own death.

[LifeCycle]

Well, it's fairly obvious I'd like to believe in something beyond this. I guess I'm surrounded by Ex-Christians who are also Ex-Spiritual. I thought this sub-forum was something different.

[florduh]

Well, it's fairly obvious I'd like to believe in something beyond this.

 

I would like to believe that as well. However, I need a reason (evidence) to believe. My desire for it doesn't make it true, just worth looking into - which I did.

[mymistake]

Well, it's fairly obvious I'd like to believe in something beyond this. I guess I'm surrounded by Ex-Christians who are also Ex-Spiritual. I thought this sub-forum was something different.

 

There are plenty of ex-C members who do believe in some kind of religion or spirituality. Sometimes I miss it. Every once in a while I get the bug to start a new religion. I dream of science fixing one of the problems God was suppose to fix. Sometimes I even wish I had magic. No joke. No kidding. The promises of Christianity were sweet and I miss them. As an atheist I think meditation has value for calming yourself and clearing your thinking. I think some spirituality has value the same way poetry has value. There is something locked deep inside accessable by intuition. Perhaps spirituality is poetry and vice versa.

 

I've just learned too much about NDEs to still see them as evidence of an afterlife. Perhaps I will have one when I die. Maybe it's something we all experience in the last seconds as our bodies go from alive to dead.

[Akheia]

There's an interesting NDE thread around here somewhere. But most of the accounts I've seen don't sound like anything a good hallucination couldn't explain. Very few of these accounts provide information the dying person couldn't have figured out on his/her own; very few stray outside the cultural and religious paradigms of the person having the NDE. Someone who was raised in a largely Christian country with Christianized myths about NDEs sees--sooprahz sooprahz sooprahz--pretty much what everybody else raised among those myths sees. Someone raised in an Asian culture sees--quelle surprise--stuff someone of that religion and culture would see. It's all very shocking and surprising, you can imagine. When experiments are done to investigate the validity of NDE claims, those claims tend to come up pretty short regarding the NDE as a valid precursor to an afterlife. That doesn't mean they're totally fake, just that they may not be what those experiencing them think they are. Are they valid biological responses to the ending of life? Quite possibly. Are they potentially transformational? Yes, they frequently are. Are they proof of any sort of religion much less an afterlife? HAHA.. NO. As much as I also would like to think there's something after this life, NDEs just aren't the right horse to bet on in this race.

 

So this guy saying that he's got "proof" that Christianity is real because he had an NDE smacks of pandering. Nothing about his written account would make me suspect that the disproven Bible and the irrational religion itself is any more valid because of his brain-fart. If he'd been from India no doubt he'd have seen a hot Indian chick in full kit or something instead of a pretty blonde angel lady.

[par4dcourse]

Anyone who has experienced a very realistic dream knows the human brain can create a very convincing image, complete with emotions. Fear of death is the reason mythology and religion exist.

[stryper]

As one who does as based on many previous posts.

 

I have stated in other threads what the Micheal Teachings say, I briefly repeat. NDE occur because you are on the Astral when you are not suppose to be. So you meet family and friends and such so that they can help escort you back.

 

As to death, there is another life physical or not. I personally believe that when I am dead I will go to a cabin in the mountains on a lake. Low hanging clouds will cover the mountain tops. The green of the trees and fields is vibrant deep green. The lack looks black. From the door, there is a bed to the left and a kitchen to the right, with a hearth slightly left off straight from the door. A bathroom slightly right of center from the door. There is a computer to communicate with the outside world.

 

It will be a place to rest, think, and reflect.

 

If you want a place after life, then create it. Since it matters little if it exists or not when you are dead and gives you comfort in this life, do what you need for you, regardless of what others say.

[LifeCycle]

There's an interesting NDE thread around here somewhere. But most of the accounts I've seen don't sound like anything a good hallucination couldn't explain. Very few of these accounts provide information the dying person couldn't have figured out on his/her own; very few stray outside the cultural and religious paradigms of the person having the NDE. Someone who was raised in a largely Christian country with Christianized myths about NDEs sees--sooprahz sooprahz sooprahz--pretty much what everybody else raised among those myths sees. Someone raised in an Asian culture sees--quelle surprise--stuff someone of that religion and culture would see. It's all very shocking and surprising, you can imagine. When experiments are done to investigate the validity of NDE claims, those claims tend to come up pretty short regarding the NDE as a valid precursor to an afterlife. That doesn't mean they're totally fake, just that they may not be what those experiencing them think they are. Are they valid biological responses to the ending of life? Quite possibly. Are they potentially transformational? Yes, they frequently are. Are they proof of any sort of religion much less an afterlife? HAHA.. NO. As much as I also would like to think there's something after this life, NDEs just aren't the right horse to bet on in this race.

 

So this guy saying that he's got "proof" that Christianity is real because he had an NDE smacks of pandering. Nothing about his written account would make me suspect that the disproven Bible and the irrational religion itself is any more valid because of his brain-fart. If he'd been from India no doubt he'd have seen a hot Indian chick in full kit or something instead of a pretty blonde angel lady.

 

I never got Christianity out of his account. I believe he used the terms "heaven" "God" "Angels" loosely. Did he see Jesus?

[roadrunner]

As one who does as based on many previous posts.

 

I have stated in other threads what the Micheal Teachings say, I briefly repeat. NDE occur because you are on the Astral when you are not suppose to be. So you meet family and friends and such so that they can help escort you back.

 

As to death, there is another life physical or not. I personally believe that when I am dead I will go to a cabin in the mountains on a lake. Low hanging clouds will cover the mountain tops. The green of the trees and fields is vibrant deep green. The lack looks black. From the door, there is a bed to the left and a kitchen to the right, with a hearth slightly left off straight from the door. A bathroom slightly right of center from the door. There is a computer to communicate with the outside world.

 

It will be a place to rest, think, and reflect.

 

If you want a place after life, then create it. Since it matters little if it exists or not when you are dead and gives you comfort in this life, do what you need for you, regardless of what others say.

LOL. At least give yourself an ipad rather than a desktop computer since you get whatever you want.

 

also how does his explanation account for people who float over their body and see themselves and then climb back into themselves without seeing family and butterflies.

 

I think I'll start another thread......

[stryper]

I could but I don't have a laptop or a smartphone, currently

 

If I did, I would still disconnect regularly. Hell, in my mind's eye I see that it still has a CRT monitor on it and is sitting on top of my grandmothers typing desk which is where my computer is currently.

 

A bit of the familiar in a place that is new.

[Akheia]

RR - he mentions his Christianity a couple times in an interview I saw on Daily Mail (link); though he says he's CINO, it's hard not to draw some conclusions.