bornagainathiest Posted February 18, 2015 Share Posted February 18, 2015 Subjective Morality : A Case in Point http://www.ex-christian.net/topic/66227-subjective-morality-a-case-in-point/#.VOTkE_msUuk This thread is now locked. However, here is where things stood between the End3 and the Prof before End took a leave of absence.... Posted 05 January 2015 - 02:50 PM end3, on 05 Jan 2015 - 7:15 PM, said: Total deflection of the conversation....we went from you know without a picoliter of faith to "well, your idea of morality sucks". You ready to move to the next paragraph or do you wish to "waller". Deflection, End3? It would be of benefit to you to go back and read the OP. The question of whether sparing life is more moral than genocide is at the very heart of this conversation. And, yes, I know the answer without a pico-Liter of faith. Nor did I say anything about your morality sucking. In keeping you honest, I simply wanted you to be reminded of your own words before you answered the question, which you still haven't done. And that's what's got you pissed off: you don't want to have to answer the question. So, no, whether I'm ready to move on or not, none of us can until you answer the question. If your Objective Morality (god) ordered genocide, would it be more moral to obey his commandment, or reject it and attempt to save as many lives as possible? ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- You may still have me on ignore End, but I reckon the Prof would still like you to answer his question. Over to you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Moderator florduh Posted February 18, 2015 Super Moderator Share Posted February 18, 2015 It's unlocked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bornagainathiest Posted February 18, 2015 Author Share Posted February 18, 2015 It's unlocked. Thanks Florduh! . . . In your own time, End. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Furball Posted February 18, 2015 Share Posted February 18, 2015 i wouldn't hold your breath Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mymistake Posted February 18, 2015 Share Posted February 18, 2015 i wouldn't hold your breath Yep, when does End ever finish business that threatens his faith? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fweethawt Posted February 19, 2015 Share Posted February 19, 2015 Getting an answer from End3 is a lot like extracting tomato juice from a banana. What starts out as a normal juicing session usually leaves the questioner staring at what was produced and exclaiming, "Wtf?!?" 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bornagainathiest Posted February 27, 2015 Author Share Posted February 27, 2015 Re-bumped for End3's attention! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Moderator TheRedneckProfessor Posted March 3, 2015 Super Moderator Share Posted March 3, 2015 Thanks BAA. So, End3, now that your brief hiatus from our noble ranks has ended, are you going to answer the question? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mymistake Posted March 3, 2015 Share Posted March 3, 2015 I think he is back on hiatus. That always seems to happen when there are pesky questions. Edit: Wow, I was so wrong about that. It will be interesting to see how this develops. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest end3 Posted March 3, 2015 Share Posted March 3, 2015 Thanks BAA. So, End3, now that your brief hiatus from our noble ranks has ended, are you going to answer the question? Hey Prof, thought you were gone. What specifically was the question. If I state the question myself there will be 14 people tell me I'm wrong...so if you don't mind. Thx. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Moderator TheRedneckProfessor Posted March 3, 2015 Super Moderator Share Posted March 3, 2015 As stated in the OP (which was directly copied from the original thread), the question is: "If your Objective Morality (god) ordered genocide, would it be more moral to obey his commandment or reject it and attempt to save as many lives as possible?" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest end3 Posted March 3, 2015 Share Posted March 3, 2015 As stated in the OP (which was directly copied from the original thread), the question is: "If your Objective Morality (god) ordered genocide, would it be more moral to obey his commandment or reject it and attempt to save as many lives as possible?" As stated in the OP (which was directly copied from the original thread), the question is: "If your Objective Morality (god) ordered genocide, would it be more moral to obey his commandment or reject it and attempt to save as many lives as possible?" I expect if God were an objective reality within my subjectivity, I would follow those commands. I don't know that I would do this through faith/uncertainty alone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mymistake Posted March 3, 2015 Share Posted March 3, 2015 As stated in the OP (which was directly copied from the original thread), the question is: "If your Objective Morality (god) ordered genocide, would it be more moral to obey his commandment or reject it and attempt to save as many lives as possible?" I expect if God were an objective reality within my subjectivity, I would follow those commands. I don't know that I would do this through faith/uncertainty alone. Wait. You would murder thousands of people if God told you to do it? (edited to remove the double quote) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bornagainathiest Posted March 3, 2015 Author Share Posted March 3, 2015 I note that End did not answer the Redneck Prof's question. The question was NOT would he follow God's command to carry out genocide. The question was, which does End think is the more moral course of action? To obey God's command or to reject it. . . . This is a test to see how (or if) End's moral compass is functioning. . . . Well, End...? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest end3 Posted March 3, 2015 Share Posted March 3, 2015 I note that End did not answer the Redneck Prof's question. The question was NOT would he follow God's command to carry out genocide. The question was, which does End think is the more moral course of action? To obey God's command or to reject it. . . . This is a test to see how (or if) End's moral compass is functioning. . . . Well, End...? This is why I ignore you BAA. A thinking person would understand what I have written is an answer and also WHY it is an answer. I'll explain, but even so, you will say it's incomplete. You always do. If Objective Morality were present in objective form (within our subjectivity), one could conclude that the associated directives would ultimately be moral. When God is NOT objectively present, He gives us the directive of "do not kill". In this we can see that our lack of omniscience does not allow us to discern Objective Morality. Makes sense to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mymistake Posted March 3, 2015 Share Posted March 3, 2015 I note that End did not answer the Redneck Prof's question. The question was NOT would he follow God's command to carry out genocide. The question was, which does End think is the more moral course of action? To obey God's command or to reject it. . . . This is a test to see how (or if) End's moral compass is functioning. . . . Well, End...? This is why I ignore you BAA. A thinking person would understand what I have written is an answer and also WHY it is an answer. I'll explain, but even so, you will say it's incomplete. You always do. If Objective Morality were present in objective form (within our subjectivity), one could conclude that the associated directives would ultimately be moral. When God is NOT objectively present, He gives us the directive of "do not kill". In this we can see that our lack of omniscience does not allow us to discern Objective Morality. Makes sense to me. I understood your answer. However I don't want to believe you are a monster, End. I really don't want that. Please tell me it is not true. Please tell me that you are not a 9-11 hijacker who simply has not received orders yet. Please tell me you are not a Death Camp guard who is waiting for God's orders. Your conclusion that God would be moral is not justified. You are not being logical. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest end3 Posted March 3, 2015 Share Posted March 3, 2015 Your conclusion that God would be moral is not justified. Why not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bornagainathiest Posted March 3, 2015 Author Share Posted March 3, 2015 I see End. Providing your reply makes sense to you, everything's just dandy. Well then, I shall just have to digress defer to the RNP and we'll see if he thinks you've answered his question. If I know him he'll say 'No' and he'll ask you to tell him (clearly, exactly and without equivocating) WHICH is the more moral action on your part. To obey God's command or to reject it. (Grabs popcorn and waits.) . . . . Oh..and if I always say that your explanations are incomplete ...that must be because they always are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest end3 Posted March 3, 2015 Share Posted March 3, 2015 Oh..and if I always say that your explanations are incomplete ...that must be because they always are. Don't forget to write it in your notebook... Wait. let me end it now. BOTH would be moral per the question. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bornagainathiest Posted March 3, 2015 Author Share Posted March 3, 2015 (Chomp! Chomp! Chomp!) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bornagainathiest Posted March 3, 2015 Author Share Posted March 3, 2015 Not... (Chomp!) my... (Chomp!) call. (Chompitty-chomp!) Waiting... (Chomp!) on... (Chomp!) the.. (Chomp!) RNP. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest end3 Posted March 3, 2015 Share Posted March 3, 2015 Here's the scary part BAA. "If you love me you will keep my commands". Obedience leads us to morality. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderator TrueFreedom Posted March 3, 2015 Moderator Share Posted March 3, 2015 Here's the scary part BAA. "If you love me you will keep my commands". Obedience leads us to morality. Obedience leads to tyranny and slavery. Ethics leads to morality. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bornagainathiest Posted March 3, 2015 Author Share Posted March 3, 2015 Here's the scary part BAA. "If you love me you will keep my commands". Obedience leads us to morality. Only if the moral authority in question demonstrates itself to be moral. You would obey without reflecting on the morality of the command? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest end3 Posted March 3, 2015 Share Posted March 3, 2015 Here's the scary part BAA. "If you love me you will keep my commands". Obedience leads us to morality. Obedience leads to tyranny and slavery. Ethics leads to morality. What's the difference in an ethical knowledge base vs. any other base for morality. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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