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You are the one using the scripture to justify your belief that the word of God requires the believer to answer your question about why they believe.

 

My response was merely citing the reason why I believe your circular argument is invalid.  I didn't reply because I had to, but because I wanted to.

 

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Justus,

 

I cited I Peter 3:15 

 

"to sanctify the Lord God in your hearts and be ready always to give an answer to every man that ask you a reason of the hope that is in you."

 

As an Ex-Christian I have no religious or supernatural belief that these are the word of God.

 

Therefore, since I was simply quoting scripture and not using scripture to validate scripture, I was not making any kind of circular argument.

 

So, you are mistaken in your belief that I was making a circular argument.

 

But if you want to believe otherwise, so be it.

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  19 hours ago, WalterP said:
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.Do you know who it is that those who are told to sanctify by being ready always to give an answer to every man that ask for the substance of the thing hoped for in them, the evidence of the things unseen. 

If the identity of this 'who' is to be found in the Bible, then that's another invalid circular argument, Justus.

 

Nope Justus is not 'who', but do you really think you would be able to find 'who' it is if it is in the Bible without hearing 'who' it is since a person doesn't know they don't even know something until they first learn of that which they didn't know.  So how did you come to the knowledge that if you made a claim there was a onus upon you to substantiate your claim with evidence?

 

  On 2/12/2020 at 3:22 PM, TruthSeeker0 said:
  12 hours ago, WalterP said:

When I was deeply committed to evangelical Christianity I certainly had no idea that if I made a claim, the onus was upon me to substantiate that claim with evidence.

 

If you claim that you had no idea that if you made a claim that the onus is upon you to substantiate that claim with evidence,  then if the onus is upon you to substantiate a claim you make then where did you get the idea from that the onus was upon you?

 

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Sorry Justus, but there are just too many clauses in your sentences for me to pick out what you actually mean by them.

 

Try again or give up?

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17 hours ago, Justus said:

 

If you claim that you had no idea that if you made a claim that the onus is upon you to substantiate that claim with evidence,  then if the onus is upon you to substantiate a claim you make then where did you get the idea from that the onus was upon you?

 

 

This one time I had a really big onus on me but my brother saw it and whacked it with a two by four. Knocked out three of my teeth, it did. They was all rotted anyway. That's when we lived in the cabin. 

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22 hours ago, Justus said:

I guess that I was hoping that they were saying that if they had been a Christian that their response would have been ....yada yada yada, so I wasn't the only one here it seems who never claimed to be a Christian or subscribed to Christianity theology, my inquiry to his comment was obviously in error.

 

 

Never claimed to be a Christian? So is Jesus your Lord and Savior? Or is Jesus not your Lord and Savior? 

 

And what is the origin of this Holy Ghost of yours?

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22 hours ago, Justus said:

 

Oh my bad, since you know the person who wrote the comment then you would obviously know if he was or not without having to rely upon the syntax. 

 

I guess that I was hoping that they were saying that if they had been a Christian that their response would have been ....yada yada yada, so I wasn't the only one here it seems who never claimed to be a Christian or subscribed to Christianity theology, my inquiry to his comment was obviously in error.

 

 

You're thinking of the TruthSeeker0 who posts over there on weneverclaimedtobechristian.net.  Wrong website, bro.

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22 hours ago, Justus said:

Oh my bad, since you know the person who wrote the comment then you would obviously know if he was or not without having to rely upon the syntax. 

 

Yes. We would also know that he is a she :P;) 

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40 minutes ago, midniterider said:

 

Never claimed to be a Christian?    Nope    So is Jesus your Lord and Savior?     Nope       Or is Jesus not your Lord and Savior?   ----

 

And what is the origin of this Holy Ghost of yours?  

 

If by origin you mean the the point or place where something begins, arises, or is derived then my answer would be the beginning.

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10 hours ago, WalterP said:
Sorry Justus, but there are just too many clauses in your sentences for me to pick out what you actually mean by them.

 

Try again or give up?

You response is sufficient, if you can pick out what I meant otherwise I will let someone else explain it to you.

 

 

 

 

 

 

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1 hour ago, LogicalFallacy said:

 

Yes. We would also know that he is a she :P;) 

 

If you claim Truthseeker is a she then I believe you when you say you know she is, that is why I used the 'he' in the syntax of gender neutral because 'man' can be either a male or female.  🥱

 

Yet ironically you never had a clue that child born unto a virgin would be a female or do you not believe that parthenogenesis is possible in humans and that a child born from a zygote formed without cell fusion between the gametes of a male and female are only known to produce an xx offspring in humans?   

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3 hours ago, Justus said:

If you claim Truthseeker is a she then I believe you when you say you know she is, that is why I used the 'he' in the syntax of gender neutral because 'man' can be either a male or female.  🥱

 

 

Well thank you for believing me. Man can indeed refer to humanity as a whole, (I point to possibly the most famous line where "man" has been used like this: That's one small step for (a) man, one giant leap for mankind". However he & him and she & her are not gender neutral according to my understanding of English (Limited as it is). They and them is. 

 

Ok that was tongue in cheek fun. 

 

3 hours ago, Justus said:

Yet ironically you never had a clue that child born unto a virgin would be a female or do you not believe that parthenogenesis is possible in humans and that a child born from a zygote formed without cell fusion between the gametes of a male and female are only known to produce an xx offspring in humans?   

 

You are losing me here. (I note you also lost Walter... either its both of us... or its the way you put things). What is the point here?

 

I know of no known confirmed case of parthenogenesis in humans. (You'll forgive me for ignoring the story that arose from mistranslated passages that people tried to make out to be fulfillment of prophesy) Hang on I'll check google. Yeah, no confirmed cases of parthenogenesis. There are known parthenogeneic abnormalities in humans - cases of a cell growing hair and skin cells, but these turn into a tumor. There are cases of both male and female that are parthenogenetic chimeras, but this is not true parthenogenesis.

 

However, according to my studies you are correct that if there was a true case of parthenogenesis the offspring would be female.

 

Which brings us to the question... where did God get the Y chromosome for Jesus?

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From a spoken incantation spell, of course.....

 

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If I had a nickel for every time I questioned,  "Y god, Y?"

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Dear Holy Ghost, 

 

Could you tell us what Justus' beliefs are? Just write us a message please. Or heck just write us a message about anything you like. Right here in this thread. Maybe the letters could fly off my screen and glow in midair for a while. Then I'd know it was you. 

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20 hours ago, Justus said:

You response is sufficient, if you can pick out what I meant otherwise I will let someone else explain it to you.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Now here's where you and I differ, Justus.

 

If someone told me that they couldn't understand what I was saying, I wouldn't leave it to a third party to explain what I meant. 

 

I'd do it myself.

 

But since you can't be bothered to explain yourself to me, I'll match you and not be bothered about what you were trying to say.

 

That makes us even.

 

 

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No one, including you has had a god moment, because there is no such thing as god. Most of us here had what we thought were god moments, but later realised it was just wishful thinking/hallucination/crowd hype/co incidence etc. So it's nothing to be sad about, we have not walked away from god, as there is no god. We walked away from the beliefs that were taught to us from a young age. We simply realised god doesn't exist. Prayers aren't answered and there is no one out there intervening in any way. That's why there is so much bad stuff in the world.. But there is also good stuff. We as humans can do the best we can to add to the good stuff as much as possible, and deal with the bad stuff as best we can.

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