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The bulk of science does not support belief in a deity, or does it? This is an open discussion area to hone your skills at supporting and understanding the various positions. Feel free to post any links of value in this important topic.
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Wildfire smoke is thick in Vancouver, WA today. A kid with fireworks went on a hike and started a blaze on Saturday evening. Ash has been falling for 2 days now locally, and one of the most beautiful hiking areas in Oregon is gone. The life will return in a few years, but the glory of what was there will take decades to regrow. I suppose it is part of the natural cycle of clearing out stuff and making a new start, some seeds won't even sprout without fire. But the devastation is huge for such an outstandingly beautiful area.
If one or more of your offspring requires medical attention and your hubby attempts to prevent it please contact Child Protective Services immediately!
As far as attempting to have meaningful conversations with a scream'n fundy - @Geezer is correct. There is little value in this practice. Take from me, VP (using wife as example dept.) of the Unequally Yoked Club. My forehead is only now beginning to recover from being pounded against the wall as a result of having these types of conversations with Mrs. MOHO.
- MOHO (Mind Of His Own)
Or, you could just embarrass him by giving him the 3rd degree: Is that your legal name? Then why are you asking me to use it? Well, that's weird don't you think? Suit yourself buddy, if you want to announce to the whole restaurant you're a freak, who am I to stop you? Strange cat who asked me to write JIL, your coffee is ready!
I'd ask for ID.
The bible on lying: http://www.biblestudytools.com/topical-verses/lying-bible-verses/
"Jesus, do you want mild , medium or FIRE sauce? "
"Satan, your order is ready."
"Zeus , your order is ready."
"Flying spaghetti monster, your order is ready."
"Mohammed, your order is ready."
"Allah, your order is ready."
"Beelzebub, your order is ready."
You could have some major fun after Hovind picks up his order.
Back at last! Thanks for your patience, btw End. Now for your questions.
But when we define "universe", are we not defining the scientific constants, to the best of our ability, within that definition?
Yes, just so.
On Tuesday (my 2nd post) I referred to the observable universe and the entire universe. We can see these scientific constants in action within the observable universe, but we can't say for sure if they hold good elsewhere, in the wider, entire universe. Scientists measure these constants and then use that data to build up a working definition of what the universe is. This definition works in two different ways, on two different levels. The observable universe is defined as everything that is visible to us. The scientific constants at work within the observable universe are part of our definition of it. This definition is based on direct knowledge that can be tested.
Our definition of the wider, entire universe uses what we know about the observable universe as it's starting point and then infers that what is true here should also be true elsewhere.
These inferences cannot be directly tested. However, scientists employ the Copernican Principle to justify their use of inference about what they cannot see and cannot test.
I can explain further if you'd like, End. Please lmk.
I'll deal with these points...
Does the "space" have different properties? Or do we know this? Or am I thinking off path?
Edit: Wouldn't we assume because light travels x speed and matter moves at x speed, then the "space", the "void" has some measureable properties?
...in a few hours.
Please maintain a holding pattern.