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    • These are awesome advice indeed... love the wisdom... best of luck and happiness to you & your family...  I've only been an atheist for 2 months and am still learning... finally got rid of my fear of hell only couple of weeks ago... I totally understand what you're saying about 'the peace'... it has been a very rewarding journey for me too...  
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