OrdinaryClay Posted April 23, 2013 Share Posted April 23, 2013 What if tarot is real? What if the hideous abominations of the left hand path are real? What if kali is real?I see many on here dance around other spiritual followings. It's uncool among skeptics to actually openly embrace the possibility that this stuff is stone cold ******* real. I believe there are some on here that know just how real the spiritual world is and mute their words.Well I ask you, what if it's real? Do you really believe the thin veil called death is simply eternal unconsciousness. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thurisaz Posted April 23, 2013 Share Posted April 23, 2013 So what? Are we supposed to worry next about what if the universe was created by the Invisible Pink Unicorn? Or the blue one? Or the white one? One can worry about countless things without getting anywhere. That's why rational people look at the evidence. Good job being a moron again. Got extra pie-in-the-sky points for this posting? 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boftx Posted April 23, 2013 Share Posted April 23, 2013 What's your point? This is a site for Ex-Christians, not atheists only, or agnostics only. It should come as no surprise that a sizable portion of the membership (and lurkers probably) have some form of belief in, or desire for a spiritual existence. Those who feel such are just as welcome here (from what I can tell) as those who are agnostic or atheist. Even Christians are welcome here so long as they understand that this site is geared to Ex-Christians and comport themselves in accordance with the rules. The only thing you (or any Christian) could say if such spiritual phenomena are real is that they come from a demonic source. So it seems that you are being (once again) somewhat disingenuous with your question. I have little doubt that for those who adhere to a faith other than Christianity that they feel that what they experience as a spiritual encounter is just as real as you think yours is. That brings us back to your question: So what? 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest r3alchild Posted April 23, 2013 Share Posted April 23, 2013 What if tarot is real? What if the hideous abominations of the left hand path are real? What if kali is real? I see many on here dance around other spiritual followings. It's uncool among skeptics to actually openly embrace the possibility that this stuff is stone cold ******* real. I believe there are some on here that know just how real the spiritual world is and mute their words. Well I ask you, what if it's real? Do you really believe the thin veil called death is simply eternal unconsciousness. OrdinaryClay it seems that if you are really trying to follow jesus then you will want to follow his commandments as well.(Here is one such commandment) Matthew 10:14 If anyone will not welcome you or listen to your words, leave that home or town and shake the dust off your feet. It is obvious that we are not listening to your words and you are as welcome as a mouse in a kitchen. So should you do what jesus commands in this case? 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
♦ ficino ♦ Posted April 23, 2013 Share Posted April 23, 2013 WTF?? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Moderator florduh Posted April 23, 2013 Super Moderator Share Posted April 23, 2013 Real? Do you mean that what if tarot cards are possessed by demons? Are they magic? Do they cast spells? There is NO EVIDENCE for your brand of magic, nor is there for the others. Nevertheless, people seem to like to pretend. What is wrong with you??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExCBooster Posted April 23, 2013 Share Posted April 23, 2013 Actually, I'd see the "what if it's real" angle as a very solid point against Christianity. (And, technically, the exclusive kinds of monotheism in general.) What if it is real, but Christianity is wrong? Funny how people seem to bring that up as if it proves their point, but don't think it applies to them... "I believe in my kind of Christianity" is just one opinion of "real" out of seven billion. Lemme look up some stats here (under "people and society - religions" tab). Even if, statistically, we lump all Christians together, that's just about a third of human opinions. Now, there's all kinds of sects of Christianity, most of which assume that they're the only ones going to Heaven, which, I assume, is what's really at stake here. So, the largest sect of Christianity is Catholicism... 17% of the world population, give or take some. Protestantism, all together, just over 6%. So, back to Kali, and let's apply a little version of Pascal's wager. Hinduism, about 14%, because that's what we're talking about here. She's a consort of Shiva, and Goddess of time, changes, and death, as well as a formidable demon-slayer. (She's either summoned by/created by/an aspect of the Goddess Durga, and defeated a vicious demon.) So, kills demons, and is a reminder of the inevitable march of time. Now, a cornerstone of Hinduism is reincarnation. If you do your best to live up to morality in whatever station of life you're in, you get reborn up the chain, until eventually, you can dedicate your time to breaking free of the cycle of rebirth. So, even if I'm not Hindu, they believe everyone gets infinitely more chances to do the right thing. Let's add Buddhism, too, because reincarnation of a similar type applies, with the change that anyone at any time can break out, as long as they do the right thing and follow the eightfold way, and break free of illusion. So, if we add in other non-monotheist religions (including atheism, and the non-religious, in which case it's not really a concern what happens after you die), that actually tallies to a whopping 43.54%. Wow. That worked better than I thought. Assuming everyone with equal proof gets equal weight, statistically, I'd rather bank on the side that says "you die and you're dead" (I never minded not existing before I was born) or reincarnation (infinite chances to get it right). I assume OrdinaryClay isn't Muslim or Jewish. Either way, he's risking eternal Hellfire (or cessation of existence, depending on interpretation of scripture) by being Christian (Islam and Judaism combined: 22.96%). Logically, it's statistically more reasonable to skip the monotheist Hell Mexican standoff, and believe in Kali. No penalty to anybody if you don't, and 43.54% (which outnumbers any one monotheist option, and you'd have to pick one, by definition) says you might as well, because, hey, why not? Since she doesn't care if you don't believe in her (or she doesn't exist), and that reincarnation thing, Kali's actually a lot nicer than Christian God. Nobody has any better evidence than anyone else, but, if you're determined to follow the "what if it's real" path to it's logical conclusion, the statistics are against any one religion being RIGHTTM. You can believe stuff as hard as you want, but so does anyone else in the world. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
◊ crazyguy123 ◊ Posted April 23, 2013 Share Posted April 23, 2013 What if tarot is real? What if the hideous abominations of the left hand path are real? What if kali is real? I see many on here dance around other spiritual followings. It's uncool among skeptics to actually openly embrace the possibility that this stuff is stone cold ******* real. I believe there are some on here that know just how real the spiritual world is and mute their words. Well I ask you, what if it's real? Do you really believe the thin veil called death is simply eternal unconsciousness. Maybe some people who leave Christianity and are now skeptical about it decided to try out another form of spiritual stuff and actually had the spiritual experience they desired, which they did not get from Christianity. Therefore, it is perfectly okay for those people to embrace new possibilities or even new religious beliefs if that works for them. I'm a skeptic, but I do think it is possible that there is an afterlife, that there could be spirits or that it could be possible to have a spiritual experience. I think it's possible that there could be a god that exists or there could be two, three, one hundred, or 1,000+ and I might never know. I think there is a possibility your god could be real (a possibility that is absolutely frightening) but have not seen the evidence so I do not believe. You made the mistake of assuming that everyone who is skeptical of Christianity must be an atheist or agnostic. I suppose that's alright. Everyone makes mistakes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ravenstar Posted April 23, 2013 Share Posted April 23, 2013 Oh for goodness sake.. of course Tarot is real... but NOT in the way you think. It's a TOOL to access one's own intuition. It uses classic age-old cross-cultural symbols to do that instead of language. (kind of like our brains use analogy, metaphor and symbols to work through out subconscious inner struggles and daily problems while we sleep) It's ARCHETYPAL... basic human psychology that is beyond words. idjit 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderator Margee Posted April 23, 2013 Moderator Share Posted April 23, 2013 You like to believe in your fairy tales and we like to believe different ones!! What's the difference? Oh yeah...you got the 'truth'.... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ravenstar Posted April 23, 2013 Share Posted April 23, 2013 The BIBLE does the same thing.. in places. ummm.. parables? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Overcame Faith Posted April 23, 2013 Share Posted April 23, 2013 Ask yourself the same question in reverse. What if it is not real? The "it" is, of course, Christianity. That is the question that most on ExC asked at some point and it is a far more important question than whether this or that spiritual belief is real. Do you dare ask yourself that question and then seriously consider its implications? It is quite a frightening question for the true believer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
par4dcourse Posted April 23, 2013 Share Posted April 23, 2013 Clay, go find yourself a Ouija board and ask it if the tarot is "real". With a little practice you could scare the shit out of the neighborhood kids. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrotherJosh Posted April 23, 2013 Share Posted April 23, 2013 What if Harry Potter is real? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thackerie Posted April 23, 2013 Share Posted April 23, 2013 Clay, go find yourself a Ouija board and ask it if the tarot is "real". With a little practice you could scare the shit out of the neighborhood kids. Ouija boards are, in fact, the far greater threat. I mean, have you any idea how many thousands of demons the Hasbro company keeps on its payroll to mass produce the millions of these board games sold every year?? 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ravenstar Posted April 23, 2013 Share Posted April 23, 2013 I don't know.. you better watch out.. Venus and Saturn are square right now.. and that's a baaaaaad thing. You can't even avoid it! mwaahahahahahahahahaha I hear broken mirrors are dangerous too (well ALL broken glass actually LOL) superstition is primitive 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
◊ crazyguy123 ◊ Posted April 23, 2013 Share Posted April 23, 2013 Clay, go find yourself a Ouija board and ask it if the tarot is "real". With a little practice you could scare the shit out of the neighborhood kids. Ouija boards are, in fact, the far greater threat. I mean, have you any idea how many thousands of demons the Hasbro company keeps on its payroll to mass produce the millions of these board games sold every year?? If the pay is high, then is there a trade school I can go to that will teach me how to become a demon? It might be fun to be paid to go to people who play with Ouija boards and maybe stick some of the people to the ceiling or say "BOO!" and get a good scream out of them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Moderator florduh Posted April 23, 2013 Super Moderator Share Posted April 23, 2013 What if OrdinaryClay is real? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thought2Much Posted April 23, 2013 Share Posted April 23, 2013 What if OrdinaryClay is real? Quoting to show approval. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Babylonian Dream Posted April 23, 2013 Share Posted April 23, 2013 What if tarot is real? Tarot is a real card set. Or by do "real", do you mean, "predicts the future"? That's not what its supposed to do. By "real", do you mean, have the psychic abilities to look inside you as a person? No, but it can certainly make you think about what the cards say they hint at, and you look inside you, which can be fun. Most people, even tarot card users, don't take tarot very seriously. At the end of the day, its just cards with pictures instead of numbers and suits. What if the hideous abominations of the left hand path are real? Which ones? All of them? Satan? Then I guess he'd be real then. Demons? I guess they'd be real then. Black magic? I guess it'd be real then. To be honest, despite the fact that I highly doubt they did, I'd lose no sleep at night if they did exist. Why? Because I got along well not knowing they existed for so long, so why be so affected by their existence just because I know about them now? What if kali is real? Then hinduism is real. I guess. I doubt it. Though whatever.... It wouldn't phase me much. I see many on here dance around other spiritual followings. It's uncool among skeptics to actually openly embrace the possibility that this stuff is stone cold ******* real. I believe there are some on here that know just how real the spiritual world is and mute their words. Well I ask you, what if it's real? Do you really believe the thin veil called death is simply eternal unconsciousness. Well... if there is something and I'm going to exist somehow after death, that would be weird. I'm not terribly concerned about it. It doesn't seem likely much less possible, being that "I" is an illusion. "I" am nothing more than a huge colony of single celled organisms, as are you and everyone else on the forum and in existence. Do each of them have to have an afterlife enslaved to me? This macroorganism they make up in this life? That would be a sucky fate for them. I don't know that I'd wish that upon them. On another note. As far as I know, I didn't exist for a whole eternity before I was born. The thought that I will cease to exist (not just be unconscious) after death doesn't bother me anymore. It did at first, but death also scared me as a believer, because you're forced to focus on it more. I don't fear nor worry about death. It will come when it comes. In the mean time, I'll be living my life to the fullest. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Babylonian Dream Posted April 23, 2013 Share Posted April 23, 2013 Hey guys.... time to study goat entrails. God might have an answer for us as to whether or not these are real. So ask him, then study the entrails of a goat for the answer! But make sure that the goat is unblemished. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
new2me Posted April 23, 2013 Share Posted April 23, 2013 What if tarot is real? I don't even know what that would mean. Does that mean that some spirit, demon or supernatural something would judge me and send me to everlasting torture if I didn't believe in it? Oh wait, that's YOUR religion. So let's say, for argument's sake, that Christianity is real. Wait... which Christianity? There are thousands of different sects, and most disagree on the most fundamental levels. Add that to the fact that what we may call Christianity now is practiced quite differently than 1000 years ago. So were they 'right'? Or is it 'right' now? And how are we supposed to know? Oh, by reading the Bible, of course. Wait... which Bible? There are dozens of different interpretations, translated from several different languages, copied, edited, revised, and reworded. Do we include the apocryphal books? Did the people who put the Bible together select the right books to be in the Bible? How did they know whether they made the right choices? Oh, because they listened to God. Wait... lots of people say God has spoken to them, but if that is true, then God says quite different things to each of those people. So how do we know who heard from the REAL God, and who is deceiving us?? Simple. It's all bull. Every last bit of it. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBluegrassSkeptic Posted April 23, 2013 Share Posted April 23, 2013 I agree with, Florduh, only slightly further. Is OC's curiousity real? I think not, past evidence, by his own hand I might add, shows he has no real interest in gaining anything here but feeling important in his sad little world. Expanding your world is scary and he likes the small bubble he is in. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Babylonian Dream Posted April 23, 2013 Share Posted April 23, 2013 I agree with, Florduh, only slightly further. Is OC's curiousity real? I think not, past evidence, by his own hand I might add, shows he has no real interest in gaining anything here but feeling important in his sad little world. Expanding your world is scary and he likes the small bubble he is in. Agreed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBluegrassSkeptic Posted April 23, 2013 Share Posted April 23, 2013 I agree with, Florduh, only slightly further. Is OC's curiousity real? I think not, past evidence, by his own hand I might add, shows he has no real interest in gaining anything here but feeling important in his sad little world. Expanding your world is scary and he likes the small bubble he is in. Agreed. I would further point out he obviously does not understand the purpose of this site either. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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