Grandpa Harley Posted July 27, 2007 Share Posted July 27, 2007 Harrison Ford - Calista Flockheart (sp) Michael Douglas - Catherine Zeta-Jones The case for the prosecution rests... Me and my fantasies I assume you'd be in the middle between Harrison and Michael... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Former Follier Posted July 27, 2007 Share Posted July 27, 2007 To bring fundamentalist Christianity into the mix, I lost my virginity to my girlfriend of two years when I was eighteen (less than a week after my eighteenth birthday). My girlfriend was sixteen-and-a-half at the time and when my parents found out, they threatened to call the police and turn me in for statutory rape. Heart-warming, huh? Luckily, my girlfriend's parents liked me and offered to sit down and talk with my parents with me and their daughter present to defuse the situation. My parents were moments away from giving me a criminal record. They weren't even impressed that I used a condom. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ouroboros Posted July 27, 2007 Share Posted July 27, 2007 I feel like I have to defend my parents relationship now. She was 28 and he was 56 when they got married. It wasn't sick or disgusting. Some people are more mature than others, some are more youthful. Sometimes the age difference doesn't matter. It's okay, I'm just being a bit facetious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fweethawt Posted July 27, 2007 Share Posted July 27, 2007 There is nothing wrong with that in my opinion. This will probably freak some people out but my dad was 28 years older than my mom. But there's a lot of people that think it's disgusting. So eventhough it isn't illegal, some think it's rather sick.I feel like I have to defend my parents relationship now. She was 28 and he was 56 when they got married. It wasn't sick or disgusting. Some people are more mature than others, some are more youthful. Sometimes the age difference doesn't matter. And some are just gold-diggers... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fweethawt Posted July 27, 2007 Share Posted July 27, 2007 They weren't even impressed that I used a condom. I would have saved it and gave it to them for an x-mas present... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ouroboros Posted July 27, 2007 Share Posted July 27, 2007 They weren't even impressed that I used a condom. I would have saved it and gave it to them for an x-mas present... ... used... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grandpa Harley Posted July 27, 2007 Share Posted July 27, 2007 It was already used... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christine Posted July 27, 2007 Share Posted July 27, 2007 There is nothing wrong with that in my opinion. This will probably freak some people out but my dad was 28 years older than my mom. But there's a lot of people that think it's disgusting. So eventhough it isn't illegal, some think it's rather sick.I feel like I have to defend my parents relationship now. She was 28 and he was 56 when they got married. It wasn't sick or disgusting. Some people are more mature than others, some are more youthful. Sometimes the age difference doesn't matter. And some are just gold-diggers... And some really love each other Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lycorth Posted July 28, 2007 Share Posted July 28, 2007 There is nothing wrong with that in my opinion. This will probably freak some people out but my dad was 28 years older than my mom. Hell, no. No matter if or how a large age difference may wig someone out or no, it's an amoral consideration between consenting adults. My mother's 17 years younger than my father, and I've got my wife beat by ten years Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woodsmoke Posted July 28, 2007 Share Posted July 28, 2007 it's illegal to even solicit sex...the show has the chat logs with the soliciting in the conversations. The "teen" arranges a time to meet. If the guy shows up regardless if he goes through with it or even enters the house they have grounds to arrest. Simple as that. Very true, except the predators didn't solicit the sex, it was the producers, and it's legal to do it if you are trying to create a trap. Do they show the chat logs in the show (I've never seen it) or have a officer doing the chatting? Because they have to maintain the chain of evidence and be able to prove the chat logs are authentic. Among the many other criticisms I have of this capitalization of the "sex offender" witch hunt, I think this is the biggest. They're not baiting those folks actively "on the prowl," so to speak, but going on the hunt themselves. 'Course, I'm of the opinion the social construct of only dating those within a year or two's age of oneself is bullshit and hypocritical to begin with. It was a wonderful double-standard which had a lot to do with my scarcity of relationships growing up (all the girls my age were interested in older guys, and going out with a younger girl was seen as something only losers who couldn't get a girl their age did). After all, there's a reason women seem to usually prefer to date older (even if only by a year or two) men. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grandpa Harley Posted July 28, 2007 Share Posted July 28, 2007 It's cars... chicks dig the cars... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pandora Posted July 28, 2007 Share Posted July 28, 2007 I'm glad I'm not the only one who feels uneasy about this show. What they are doing isn't illegal, but it definitely should be! In one show I saw a couple years ago, the decoy claimed to be 16 years old... now really, what man would say no to a 16 year old that wants to have sex with him? It all just seems so wrong to me. Not only is the age of the decoys in a grey area, but the entrapment aspect really bothers me. I even saw an episode where they caught the sheriff in one of the jurisdictions they had done previous shows downloading child porn. The sheriff committed suicide before they could interview him (because he knew they were coming). It breaks my heart me that they demonize these guys as if they were raping 8 year olds. Their methods are more likely to lure in lonely computer geeks and general dorks than true predators, if you ask me... I wouldn't have so much a problem if the decoys were younger, and if they sought out men who initiated sexual talk. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pandora Posted July 28, 2007 Share Posted July 28, 2007 I decided to read up on the show a little, and here's what I found: Perverted Justice’s volunteers are experts at pretending to be kids online. For this investigation, they are posing as 12, 13 or 14-year-olds. The volunteers are in local chat rooms waiting to be hit on by adults interested in sex. Perverted Justice says its volunteers never contact anyone first. Once a man makes his intentions clear he is invited over to our undercover house. http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/19961209/ I guess it isn't as shady as the show makes it seem, but I swear one of the decoys was 16, maybe it was a different show or different story (isn't there an online group who does the same thing?). Regardless, I still have a problem with the show. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taphophilia Posted July 29, 2007 Share Posted July 29, 2007 I've talked about this in another thread. I have a 15 y/o daughter. Yeah, I know a lot of 15 y/o's look 20, but my daughter doesn't. She looks 12, maybe 13 due to the fact that she just started going through puberty coupled with the fact she's petite. She 4' 11" and weighs 95 pounds. She dresses usually in shorts, a tank top, and flip-flops, normal teen wear. You have no idea how many grown men stare at her, flirt with her, or come on to her in normal public places like the grocery store or a restaurant. Now, I can understand a man finding a teen who looks like a woman attractive, but I will never understand a man finding a little girl sexually attractive. Perhaps, it's a social class thing, because I've noticed that the men who find my daughter attractive in that way are lower class and obviously not real educated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pandora Posted July 29, 2007 Share Posted July 29, 2007 Evolutionarily speaking, youth means health and the potential to carry babies to term. I don't think it's abhorrent to find a 15 year old attractive when one is a grown man, but that's just me. I don't quite get the fury, honestly. Sure, a respectable person with tact would not let it become obvious that he was attracted to a young teenager below 18, but does it happen to men who aren't pedophiles? I'm absolutely sure it does. It would be different if we were talking about 8,9, or even 12 year olds... but we're talking teenagers here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pitchu Posted July 29, 2007 Share Posted July 29, 2007 One of the things I've wondered about with this show is why the guys don't also get arrested for illegal entry or something of the sort. After all, they "know" they're going to a home owned by parents who are ostensibly absent. The kid doesn't own the home and certainly would be assumed not to have permission of the parents/owners for such a visit. Even as a grandmother, I'd never presume to enter a home, without permission, where only a kid was present. It's just wrong. Additionally, whatever one may think of age of consent and all that, internet predators often have rap sheets which make them potentially far more dangerous than if they were merely guys looking for underage sex. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ouroboros Posted July 29, 2007 Share Posted July 29, 2007 Pitchu, you're making a good point. And it makes me wonder why they don't do this for other criminal activities too? Why not solicit drug sales, illegal weapons or a robbery online and get potential criminals interested and then arrest them? Or why not solicit a murder, and catch the potential killer before he even kills his first victim? It wouldn't be any different. Anyone that ever is seeking out any kind of criminal activity could be caught this way. And the answer I think is that this kind of criminality is more offensive to people and hence gives more ratings for the producers... that makes me feel a bit disgusted with the producers intentions. They prey on people being somehow interested in this kind of activity, and I'm not sure if that is right either. Maybe, even though I think it's good to get these guys of the street, that's why I find this kind of show offensive? After all, I think they suffer of a limited function of dealing with a natural sexual drive (maybe they have a reduced ability in their frontal lobe?), and in a sense they probably can't help it. They need help more than punishment and having people laugh at them or enjoy them being exposed. Isn't it kind of how the people were sitting in the front rows of executions in the old days, laughing and throwing tomatoes at the prisoners? I dont' find that entertaining, but sickening. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HuaiDan Posted July 29, 2007 Share Posted July 29, 2007 Whatever happened to entrapment? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Casey Posted July 29, 2007 Share Posted July 29, 2007 Just what is the US law on that? After all, "sting" operations have taken place for years now, targeted at every kind of crime from drug deals to receiving stolen property. Casey Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HuaiDan Posted July 29, 2007 Share Posted July 29, 2007 I have a nagging suspicion it doesn't apply if you have a warrant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grandpa Harley Posted July 29, 2007 Share Posted July 29, 2007 I think entrapment is active encouragement to commit a crime Vice cop swinging his hand bag and man approaches offering money for BJ - Not entrapment Vice cop swinging his handbag and calling out its $2 for a spit roast is entrapment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kurari Posted July 29, 2007 Share Posted July 29, 2007 I have mixed feelings on this show. On one hand, I feel really bad for these guys...that's a hell of a way to ruin someone's life, and they may be innocent. On the other hand, I've been the victim of a pedophile. I wish these guys could have their bits carved off with a broken glass bottle. 20 year old men should NOT be soliciting sex from fucking 13 year olds. I don't care how mature that 13 year old might be, they are in no position to be asking for sex, and men should not be picking bitty pre-teens or young teenagers as mates. Though all in all, I'm really against the sex offender registery, mostly because it singles out a certain group of criminals and our illustrious justice system as usual ends up ruining the lives of 18 year olds who have had sex with 17 year olds. Come ooooon. Plus, if we're going to witch hunt criminals like this, then I'd really like to know if the guy I'm buying insurance from has a history of fraud, or if the guy I'm meeting for a date has ever killed an ex-girlfriend too. Or if the handyman I invite to my home has ever been arrested for burglery. Why stop at sex offenders? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jubilant Posted July 29, 2007 Author Share Posted July 29, 2007 Just wanted to make clear that child predators sicken me, especially as a mother. Guess what bothered me are the ones who showed up but second guessed themselves and had a change of heart and they were still arrested. Sick as they were for discussing sex explicitly with what they thought was a minor online, they still had changed their minds about going in...I'm not talking about the few that saw the police and bailed, but the guys who had to be coaxed and coaxed into entering the home, and the couple that didn't go in all together once there. I won't watch again. I still can't put ALL of those men, even who did show up, in the same category as someone who forcefully has intercourse with some one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ouroboros Posted July 29, 2007 Share Posted July 29, 2007 Just what is the US law on that? After all, "sting" operations have taken place for years now, targeted at every kind of crime from drug deals to receiving stolen property.Casey Correct. That's why the show isn't really doing anything wrong, but what I think makes me feel a bit odd about it is to make it a show for peoples entertainment. Will the next level be to show live executions and offer free popcorn? I have mixed feelings on this show. On one hand, I feel really bad for these guys...that's a hell of a way to ruin someone's life, and they may be innocent. They're not completely innocent, since they actively persued to commit a crime. Eventhough they haven't really commited the crime yet, but they did take action for the first steps to go there. Like bying the components for a nuclear bomb and assembling it, but never detonating it. It's the intent they're after here. Just wanted to make clear that child predators sicken me, especially as a mother. Guess what bothered me are the ones who showed up but second guessed themselves and had a change of heart and they were still arrested. Sick as they were for discussing sex explicitly with what they thought was a minor online, they still had changed their minds about going in...I'm not talking about the few that saw the police and bailed, but the guys who had to be coaxed and coaxed into entering the home, and the couple that didn't go in all together once there. True. But they did actively try to commit a crime, eventhough they never completed it. But I think it can't be the same level offense as actually committing the crime. It's on the fringe of being a "thought crime police", and it does bother me a bit too. I wonder if you show a picture of a child to anyone on the street, and if they looked at it, then they are guilty? The danger is the slippery-slope society gets into, and it becomes a which-hunt. If people gets to enthustiastic about going after predators, we could end up with a lot of false accusations and even entrapments. Solicit someone by offering a car for sale, and call the car your baby, and then they come to buy a car and you only save the logs where it says that he wants your baby. I mean, it has to be airtight and this show might be pushing the envelope where a lot of unknowing and innocnet victims are caught in the name of "TV justice". We've entered the world of media controlled justice and the police, judge and executer is in the hands of the TV producer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grandpa Harley Posted July 29, 2007 Share Posted July 29, 2007 oh, it's prurient shit, and no mistake. In the Netherlands they were working on people competing for a kidney for transplantation... the contestants are tissue matched, so you know all are playing for their lives, and the donor has an inoperable brain tumour... I've said before, the Robocop satires on TV are now like trailers for the new season on Fox... I'm waiting for 'Asthmatics Running for Cash'... then I know that the twilight of our civilisation is upon us... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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