Eemaan Posted April 6, 2012 Share Posted April 6, 2012 Well people, peace be upon you. So yes I'm back after a long time, I don't even know why but I was watching a video that reminded me of this place. Thank you for the moderators who did change my group name, thank you! ConureDelSol Hi person I don't know! Hello! florduh Yeah, Trapped. They're thousands of years behind everyone else. A most barbaric 'religion of peace'. I thought this defender of the child molesting Muhammed and his death threats to all who have differing beliefs had gone for good. It's baaaack! Since majority of people in this forum, because I'm a Muslim, choose to insult my religion (and one that I believe in forever), it becomes almost necessary for me to reply. Maybe not right now as I'm not having time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deva Posted April 6, 2012 Share Posted April 6, 2012 Since majority of people in this forum, because I'm a Muslim, choose to insult my religion (and one that I believe in forever), it becomes almost necessary for me to reply. Maybe not right now as I'm not having time. Since you are aware of this fact, why are you here? Why not go to a Muslim forum? 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LivingLife Posted April 6, 2012 Share Posted April 6, 2012 I cannot grow a beard so I cannot become a muslim. I can become gay and wear a burka though. I tried wearing a false beard once but then my dog barked and chased me round the yard. We had to sedate the dog for this pic, even he thought I was nuts 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderator Margee Posted April 6, 2012 Moderator Share Posted April 6, 2012 Eemaan, would you do me a favor today and ask Allah to feed all the starving children in the world today. If, by the end of the day, that problem is taken care of, I will believe in your Allah and gladly give my life to him.!! The christian god can't seem to do it, so maybe Allah can.....let's wait and see........ 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Moderator florduh Posted April 6, 2012 Super Moderator Share Posted April 6, 2012 Look, E, if you're here to prove you're not ALL terrorists, we already know that. If you're here to prove your religion has some value or validity, we already know better than that. If you get a kick out of Islam, fine. To the civilized world, the religion is a throwback to the ancient times of ignorant, barbaric people. Your holy book has no evidence that it has any worth. Your prophet was an ignorant child molester. The tenets of your religion include the murder of those who don't believe as you do, and your fellow Muslims carry out those orders to this day. Intelligent, educated people in the 21st Century have no use for such crap. I suggest you follow the news to see what evils Islam perpetrates on its own and also the rest of the world. You also might want to read some history and science. Islam is still the enemy of human rights, progress, and peace. 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thought2Much Posted April 6, 2012 Share Posted April 6, 2012 I'll stop insulting your religion as soon as all of its adherents stop killing people who don't believe in it, or who break the ridiculous laws written in its stupid rulebook. Religion of Peace™, my ass. Not treating women like cattle would also go a long way toward earning my respect. Don't worry, though. I feel exactly the same way about all other silly superstitions as I do about your own, so it's nothing personal. 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Moderator buffettphan Posted April 6, 2012 Super Moderator Share Posted April 6, 2012 Yeah, what Margee said! Islam and christinsanity are just different sides of the same insane abrahamic religious coin. You're not gonna win any converts here. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thought2Much Posted April 6, 2012 Share Posted April 6, 2012 Giving your post a little more thought, Eemaan, I have to ask: Why do you feel that it is "almost necessary to reply" because some random group of people on the internet doesn't believe the ramblings of some insane Middle Eastern fanatic? What could possibly motivate someone to do this? What is the benefit? What do you gain from it? Do you feel that you are somehow better than the Muslims we criticize? Do you feel that the Muslims doing the beheadings and the stonings, and treating women like shit can't possibly be "true" Muslims, or that they're not worshiping the "true" Allah? Do you think that you have some better understanding of your holy book than the people that do these things? Just because you haven't participated in a stoning lately doesn't mean that your beliefs are any more true, or have any more value, than theirs. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
agnosticator Posted April 6, 2012 Share Posted April 6, 2012 Since majority of people in this forum, because I'm a Muslim, choose to insult my religion (and one that I believe in forever), it becomes almost necessary for me to reply. Maybe not right now as I'm not having time. You want to reply because you felt your religion was insulted? Why do you think anyone would respect your religion anymore than they would respect the Christian religion? The books of both religions speak for themselves. We don't need you to interpret for us. These books reveal agendas of divisiveness, intolerance, and atrocity. Both religions will never decide to live side by side because of their divisive holy books. The Middle East is in turmoil not just because of politics and economics, but because of religious intolerance. We need to see each other as humans first, rather than Muslims, Christians, and Jews. Religion is part of the problem. NOT the solution! 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blackpudd1n Posted April 6, 2012 Share Posted April 6, 2012 Okay, Eemaan, here is what I struggle with. Your profile states that you are female. How the hell do you reconcile the abuses perpetrated against your own gender in the name of Islam? Do you have daughters? If you do, do you not fear for them? How do you not see that you are worth more than what Islam assigns to you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Overcame Faith Posted April 6, 2012 Share Posted April 6, 2012 Since majority of people in this forum, because I'm a Muslim, choose to insult my religion (and one that I believe in forever), it becomes almost necessary for me to reply. Maybe not right now as I'm not having time. I don't think the comments about your religion are made because you're a Muslim. If you will search the forums and read what many people say (in many threads that predate your appearance here and on many threads that you had nothing to do with), many people here do not buy into any of the Abrahamic religions because they're all cut from the same cloth. Once one of the religions fall, they all fall because the central character, the Abrahamic god, does not exist. What is left, therefore, are manmade religions whose obvious purposes are to control people through coercive rules, regulations, and teachings which came from the minds of people and which are manipulated today for the raw exercise of power of one group of people over other groups of people. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stryper Posted April 6, 2012 Share Posted April 6, 2012 Eemaan, I have a friend that is Persian. She is probably what would be similar to a liberal Jew as far as faith goes. She is a very proud woman. I like to send her e-cards and such during muslim holy days. With religion she is not as militant. But insulting her Persian heritage is playing with fire. We get along well and like respect each other. I don't know you. No one on here knows you. From what I remember you did almost exact what most christians do when they come on to this site and start telling us how wrong we are, rejecting god, burn in hell (okay I don't think you played that card), etc. Part of the reason that my friend and I get along is because we approach each other with mutual respect. After your first stint here, you didn't earn any friends. Now that you are back, if you approach us in the same manner as before then you still won't earn any. If you pay attention to the site, then you would see that we are just as hard on Christians. Islam however, sets itself up for trouble in the begining. The whole spread the religion by the sword thing and the fact that Islam conquered more land by war and subjugated more people then Christianity ever did. Course Chrisitians were more interested in killing those who were closer to home. Anyway, if it hadn't been for Charles the Hammer at Tours in 700 something AD. Europe would have fallen too. Further upon examination of the Koran in a historical sense. The no compulsion in religion and religion of peace were all things that were preached by Mohammad when his nascent sect was small and powerless. Once they gained power they did what every religion has done with power. They used it to dominate and conquer. At that point in history is where all the Christians and Jews were brothers of the book and spread the religion by the sword came about. In fact, just like every religion, Islam was used by the governing powers to allow them to claim more power. This allowed the Arab tribes to use it to justify tribal practices and customs. The exact same thing happened in India with the caste system. The religion go used to enforce by law a system to keep the most powerful in charge. Confucism and Toaism did the same in China. Zoroastarism was literally wiped out because the ruling powers used it to justify holy wars, which they lost. It happen in Europe with Christianity too. All the kings and noble had to pay deference to the Pope always. So the smart kings learned how to control the religion so the Papal policy was their policy. The Hapsburgs were probably the most successful at it. So, to be honest, your religion offers nothing new. If you took a page from Catholic Kitty or RevR you would start a thread specifically to answer questions about Islam. From what i have seen, these threads have been very successful in helping those who are interested in getting more in depth answers to legitimate questions people have about Catholicism and Buddhism respectively. You could do the same. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Moderator florduh Posted April 6, 2012 Super Moderator Share Posted April 6, 2012 http://www.inthenameofallah.org/Muhammad%20the%20Child%20Molester.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eemaan Posted April 7, 2012 Author Share Posted April 7, 2012 I would like to correct something, I meant to say "since majority of the people who have replied to me", not "since majority of people in this forum" Since you are aware of this fact, why are you here? Why not go to a Muslim forum? I'm here because, well, I used to be in Muslim forums. Then I wanted to try something new, so I was searching for a Christian forum then I came across this forum. Well they had a chat box that was easy to use. You just needed a name and a password...and that is how I came here and why I did. I'll stop insulting your religion as soon as all of its adherents stop killing people who don't believe in it, or who break the ridiculous laws written in its stupid rulebook. Religion of Peace™, my ass. Not treating women like cattle would also go a long way toward earning my respect. Don't worry, though. I feel exactly the same way about all other silly superstitions as I do about your own, so it's nothing personal. LOL please.... We are not killing people who don't believe in Islam. Where do yo see that happening? Yes there are rules and laws, but before a person gets killed for breaking the most severe ones, there are many chances and ways that one will not be punished. I don't feel like I am treated like an animal. Giving your post a little more thought, Eemaan, I have to ask: Why do you feel that it is "almost necessary to reply" because some random group of people on the internet doesn't believe the ramblings of some insane Middle Eastern fanatic? What could possibly motivate someone to do this? What is the benefit? What do you gain from it? Do you feel that you are somehow better than the Muslims we criticize? Do you feel that the Muslims doing the beheadings and the stonings, and treating women like shit can't possibly be "true" Muslims, or that they're not worshiping the "true" Allah? Do you think that you have some better understanding of your holy book than the people that do these things? Just because you haven't participated in a stoning lately doesn't mean that your beliefs are any more true, or have any more value, than theirs. If what Muhammad pbuh preached was insane ramblings, then no way would Islam be as strong as it is now, and the fastest growing religion in the world. It is necessary for me to reply because there are many false views about Islam here and maybe I can change that a little. I don't have to, but if I can then why not. What do I gain from it? Possibly nothing but you gain a different view, a real and truth view. I don't feel that I'm better. Yes if they treat women like shit, then they can't possibly be true to their faith. Some extreme Muslims do beheadings and stonings, because they don't think that there is always a way for them not to do it. Islam takes the middle path. I don't think i have better understanding of Qur'an then they do, nor do they have a better understanding then I do. But the scholars of Islam, yes they have a good understanding and as I have seen they are not extreme and they are the ones who know best because they have dedicated their lives to studying the Qur'an. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eemaan Posted April 7, 2012 Author Share Posted April 7, 2012 You want to reply because you felt your religion was insulted? Why do you think anyone would respect your religion anymore than they would respect the Christian religion? The books of both religions speak for themselves. We don't need you to interpret for us. These books reveal agendas of divisiveness, intolerance, and atrocity. Both religions will never decide to live side by side because of their divisive holy books. The Middle East is in turmoil not just because of politics and economics, but because of religious intolerance. We need to see each other as humans first, rather than Muslims, Christians, and Jews. Religion is part of the problem. NOT the solution! Yeah, my religion is always insulted here Because Islam is complete way of life and the Qur'an has not been changed. And Islam was completed with the final messenger of God. It is the last message and perfected one. It completes those faiths before it and clears any doubt. That is why it is different from Christianity and other religions. The book speaks for itself, yes that is why it makes sense to me, maybe you should have a look at it. What religious intolerance in the Middle East? Conflict there is caused by the people themselves because they have corrupt leaders. Islam already teaches us that we need to see each other as equals human beings. In fact in the last sermon of the messenger, he pbuh told us that there is no difference between people of other races and colours but we are all judged by our good deeds, not by how good we look, or if we rich etc. Okay, Eemaan, here is what I struggle with. Your profile states that you are female. How the hell do you reconcile the abuses perpetrated against your own gender in the name of Islam? Do you have daughters? If you do, do you not fear for them? How do you not see that you are worth more than what Islam assigns to you? I don't have daughters, I'm not even married. I am 21 years old. Actually what makes me think about reconciliating has nothing to do with religion, it is just facts such as why males generally have more strength than females, it annoys me. Also, when I go out what I just hate the most is that when males stare. It makes me so angry like what the hell is their problem...... But in Islam, I have a right to education, a right to work, and I cover up because I want to. But what is the most important is that God won't judge me because I am female but by my deeds. Whether female or male, we are judged by our deeds. I know what you mean by men who abuse females, they just need a good beating up. They like to take advantage of those females who don't have education and who don't know their rights. And the reason why, especially in my country, the females don't get much education is due to a cultural factor. I feel good in Islam, because I know Islam gives equal rights to both genders. A man has to respect women and vice versa. Those people who abuse females in the name of Islam, let me tell you that they are completely wrong. They have a cultural mindset. The messenger said, "the best of you are those who are best to their wives" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thought2Much Posted April 7, 2012 Share Posted April 7, 2012 LOL please.... We are not killing people who don't believe in Islam. Except in: Saudi Arabia Afghanistan Pakistan Yemen Indonesia And a whole bunch of other places. Yeah, except for several dozen countries, absolutely nobody is getting killed for not accepting Islam. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eemaan Posted April 7, 2012 Author Share Posted April 7, 2012 I don't think the comments about your religion are made because you're a Muslim. If you will search the forums and read what many people say (in many threads that predate your appearance here and on many threads that you had nothing to do with), many people here do not buy into any of the Abrahamic religions because they're all cut from the same cloth. Once one of the religions fall, they all fall because the central character, the Abrahamic god, does not exist. What is left, therefore, are manmade religions whose obvious purposes are to control people through coercive rules, regulations, and teachings which came from the minds of people and which are manipulated today for the raw exercise of power of one group of people over other groups of people. Since you are aware of this fact, why are you here? Why not go to a Muslim forum? What do you mean many threads I did not have anything to do with? I just wanted to be a normal member, and like everyone else we have our own points of views. Ok they don't care about this religion, but they attack my religion so I just want to say what the truth about my Islam is. Anyways I try to enjoy being here, as I am educationg myself. Eemaan, would you do me a favor today and ask Allah to feed all the starving children in the world today. If, by the end of the day, that problem is taken care of, I will believe in your Allah and gladly give my life to him.!! The christian god can't seem to do it, so maybe Allah can.....let's wait and see........ First I got to say that we have to be realistic. God has sent us messengers with many teachings of how to avoid problems in this world. Adn as we all agree, this world is temporary, one day each of us will die. It is just a passing on a journey, on a journey to find a better place. This place is not perfect, but it is a pathway. It is a test for us, for ourselves to see where we will go. But it is not an easy journey, And I am not a perfect person. I may occasionally fall. Occasionally question thiongs, because I dont have all that knowlegde. But Islam has thought us to take care of others. To take care of them in such a way that there will be no hungry children in this world. There will be no poor people. If every Muslim did follow this teaching, which is specifically giving "zakah" or charity in its correct time, there will not be any hungry people. But we know that, humans are greedy and selfish. They just want more. But if they would humble themselves and give zakah when it is due, if all of us did that, then we will not have that problem. It is our own fault. We did not take the heart to take care of others. How many rich people are in this world. Few of them with all the money, yet they concentrate on porn, fashion, movies, giving thousands to sport players. And from the side of the Muslim world, a few of these rich people have their own islands, huge houses and many cars. They choose this world instead of following God's commandment. This temporarily world. What to say........ Look, E, if you're here to prove you're not ALL terrorists, we already know that. If you're here to prove your religion has some value or validity, we already know better than that. If you get a kick out of Islam, fine. To the civilized world, the religion is a throwback to the ancient times of ignorant, barbaric people. Your holy book has no evidence that it has any worth. Your prophet was an ignorant child molester. The tenets of your religion include the murder of those who don't believe as you do, and your fellow Muslims carry out those orders to this day. Intelligent, educated people in the 21st Century have no use for such crap. I suggest you follow the news to see what evils Islam perpetrates on its own and also the rest of the world. You also might want to read some history and science. Islam is still the enemy of human rights, progress, and peace. Since you are aware of this fact, why are you here? Why not go to a Muslim forum? Yes, an evil you say. No evil thing will gather as much followers. No sane people will devote themselves to evil. Whatever you wrote will need another thread. You call the world civilized? It is indeed a most barbaric world. People are like animals, they do whatever they want. Eat whatever, fulfill desires whatever. But Islam is there to correct all these evil things. A most peaceful religion with many humble messengers sent from God. Call it whatever you want........ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thought2Much Posted April 7, 2012 Share Posted April 7, 2012 A man has to respect women and vice versa. Funny how "respect for women" is virtually globally interpreted by muslims to mean "forced to wear 'modest' clothing," and do whatever the men tell them to do. Those people who abuse females in the name of Islam, let me tell you that they are completely wrong. They have a cultural mindset. So, no "true" muslim will mistreat his wife. Got it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thought2Much Posted April 7, 2012 Share Posted April 7, 2012 God has sent us messengers with many teachings of how to avoid problems in this world. Well, your imaginary deity has a lot in common with the Christian imaginary deity: He's a piss-poor communicator. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thought2Much Posted April 7, 2012 Share Posted April 7, 2012 But Islam has thought us to take care of others. To take care of them in such a way that there will be no hungry children in this world. There will be no poor people. If every Muslim did follow this teaching, which is specifically giving "zakah" or charity in its correct time, there will not be any hungry people. So, just like the Christian god, your god expects us to do everything for him, even though he's supposedly omnipotent? How nice. If Allah doesn't want there to be poor people, why doesn't he do anything himself, instead of hanging around in heaven on his lazy ass and criticizing us down here for not doing the right thing? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eemaan Posted April 7, 2012 Author Share Posted April 7, 2012 Eemaan, I have a friend that is Persian. She is probably what would be similar to a liberal Jew as far as faith goes. She is a very proud woman. I like to send her e-cards and such during muslim holy days. With religion she is not as militant. But insulting her Persian heritage is playing with fire. We get along well and like respect each other. I don't know you. No one on here knows you. From what I remember you did almost exact what most christians do when they come on to this site and start telling us how wrong we are, rejecting god, burn in hell (okay I don't think you played that card), etc. Part of the reason that my friend and I get along is because we approach each other with mutual respect. After your first stint here, you didn't earn any friends. Now that you are back, if you approach us in the same manner as before then you still won't earn any. Yeah this is on the internet. I try to fit in but my english is not great. I don't know when you people are being sarcastic, or your puns and jokes. I can get along, but not for everyone internet is a place where they become too close to people. People have difference personalities and preferences. Anyways I don't know why does your friend take her culture more seriously. If she really did believe in Islam, then she would know that God wold not look at what her heritage is. That is something fixed for everyone. For every muslim person, Islam must be put first because we are not judged by where we are from of how proud we are to be from this country. If you pay attention to the site, then you would see that we are just as hard on Christians. Islam however, sets itself up for trouble in the begining. The whole spread the religion by the sword thing and the fact that Islam conquered more land by war and subjugated more people then Christianity ever did. Course Chrisitians were more interested in killing those who were closer to home. Anyway, if it hadn't been for Charles the Hammer at Tours in 700 something AD. Europe would have fallen too. Further upon examination of the Koran in a historical sense. The no compulsion in religion and religion of peace were all things that were preached by Mohammad when his nascent sect was small and powerless. Once they gained power they did what every religion has done with power. They used it to dominate and conquer. At that point in history is where all the Christians and Jews were brothers of the book and spread the religion by the sword came about. Islam was not spread by sword, there was no fighting going on in the major Muslim countries that you see now. Islam sent peaceful treaties to the leaders of those times, and if they did not accept it, then it was fine. In fact, just like every religion, Islam was used by the governing powers to allow them to claim more power. This allowed the Arab tribes to use it to justify tribal practices and customs. The exact same thing happened in India with the caste system. The religion go used to enforce by law a system to keep the most powerful in charge. Confucism and Toaism did the same in China. Zoroastarism was literally wiped out because the ruling powers used it to justify holy wars, which they lost. It happen in Europe with Christianity too. All the kings and noble had to pay deference to the Pope always. So the smart kings learned how to control the religion so the Papal policy was their policy. The Hapsburgs were probably the most successful at it. So, to be honest, your religion offers nothing new. If you took a page from Catholic Kitty or RevR you would start a thread specifically to answer questions about Islam. From what i have seen, these threads have been very successful in helping those who are interested in getting more in depth answers to legitimate questions people have about Catholicism and Buddhism respectively. You could do the same. Before Islam came, the Arabs were those whom a few had power and which they used to manipulate others. The messenger came from one of the wealthiest and most well known tribes. He did not need all that power. The Arabs used to bury their little girls alive, but Islam stopped that. The Arabs had something like a caste system but Islam made them realize that there is no such thing, that everyone is equal, whether they were rich or poor. In fact like you said, most smart kings would take over their power and influence to manipulate others and to get wealthy. The messenger pbuh was offered everything a man could want, and he refused because ofcourse he came with the truth and the truth did not need all that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eemaan Posted April 7, 2012 Author Share Posted April 7, 2012 Please be respectful if you want replies Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pratt Posted April 7, 2012 Share Posted April 7, 2012 say, if a muslim man rapes you, are you obligated to marry him? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eemaan Posted April 7, 2012 Author Share Posted April 7, 2012 ^No! but this man will get a punishment. And like every other female if this sick thing happens to, she will want to kill that person. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pratt Posted April 7, 2012 Share Posted April 7, 2012 are you quoting from Quran our religion or? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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