midniterider Posted June 17, 2014 Share Posted June 17, 2014 There are hundreds of myths from around the world that suggest there was a great flood. Whether local or global depends on the story you go with. I think all these ancient stories have origin in the flood recorded in Genesis. I believe it happened. Only this story is actually older than the one found in Genesis http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gilgamesh No problem to me if it is older than the Biblical account. It is no problem to IH if the previous account is older than the bible account. The earlier story obviously refers to the later story in the bible that hadn't been written yet. o.O Yeah, that makes sense. This explanation is irrational, but he said it, now he believes and that settles it. :-) But irrationality is the Christian's specialty. The more mental gymnastics that is needed and the more implausible it sounds....is irrelevant to protecting the core belief in Jesus. Though on some level a Christian knows that in making up baloney, it's still baloney. It's an internal lie. But you're not lying to protect Jesus, sir. Just your own self. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
midniterider Posted June 17, 2014 Share Posted June 17, 2014 There are hundreds of myths from around the world that suggest there was a great flood. Whether local or global depends on the story you go with. I think all these ancient stories have origin in the flood recorded in Genesis. I believe it happened. Would you like to comment on any of the many logical bullet points Sdelsolray mentioned that indicate it could not really have happened? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
midniterider Posted June 17, 2014 Share Posted June 17, 2014 Tell me, IH, is that a moral thing to do? Have you seen people drowning? Do you know why water boarding is a form of torture? Do you know the story of Sennacherib and Hezekiah? How god just poof-killed those he considered evil (still immoral, but at least it was targeted) and Sennacherib turned tail? 2 chron 32 21 And the Lord sent an angel, who annihilated all the fighting men and the commanders and officers in the camp of the Assyrian king. Why drown living things? The babies? The children? The elderly? The animals? Do you think this is moral? And God saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually. ~Genesis 6:5 (King James Version) Bible God is over-critical of his peeps. How many wicked thoughts do innocent babies have? Sounds like a case of micro-managing people's lives. Kill them all for their bad thoughts would equal micro-managing to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
midniterider Posted June 17, 2014 Share Posted June 17, 2014 some floods happen, great flood as dipicted in the bible or russel crowe's movie, don't think possible,,,,, flooding the whole fucking world except 8 weirdos and animals, i think not,,,,,, ironhorse would have been drowned if he had lived in that sick imaginery era,,,,,, Interesting article from ABC News: http://abcnews.go.com/Technology/evidence-suggests-biblical-great-flood-noahs-time-happened/story?id=17884533 Let's chase after evidence of something that, if it existed right now (God) could just make an appearance and be done with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Neverlandrut Posted June 17, 2014 Share Posted June 17, 2014 There are hundreds of myths from around the world that suggest there was a great flood. Whether local or global depends on the story you go with. I think all these ancient stories have origin in the flood recorded in Genesis. I believe it happened. The flood story, as told in Genesis, is not physically possible given the minuscule size of the ark and the enormous number of animals that supposedly filled it. A cataclysmic flood may have happened in earth's history, but the details of the biblical story are patently absurd. Do you have any explanation for this besides God's miraculous powers? If no, then you are free to believe that if you want. Miracle magic is the catch all explanation that can always dodge scientific criticism. The fact is that nothing miraculous has ever been demonstrated or tested and found to be real. Prayer for healing, for example, has been tested numerous times and found to have zero effect on healing and in some cases there was even worsening of health. If you believe in miracles any way, fine. But you will always fail to convince rational people that the flood story and equally preposterous stories in the bible are true. You really can't escape it; your beliefs are nothing more than wishful thinking mixed with confirmation bias. Neither of which are a reliable path to what is true. Religion will always find ways to creatively reinterpret it's scriptures to avoid the obvious conflicts they have with reality. Throughout christian history, the vast majority of Christians believed in the creation story and others as literal history. How could they have taken it any other way. They had little scientific understanding of reality. Once science proved otherwise, Christians were forced to reconsider and take stories, like the creation, as symbolic or metaphoric. If the truth of scripture is deeper than what the surface text says, then god left us a very convoluted account of himself and his will with no instructions on how to properly interpret it. He also wants us to believe his word implicitly without leaving us any reliable way to know what it really means. Why communicate his will to ancient civilizations in a way that was meaningful to them, but then choose not to continue to re-communicate his word to future civilizations so that there is no confusion about what his word means? No, all the evidence regarding the bible points to the fact that it was written by men dealing with issues of their day that were relevant to them, and using the claim of divine authority to keep control of their power. They may have genuinely believed in this god and their divine authority, but the fact is the same. One would expect an all-powerful, all-knowing, all-loving deity to do a much much much better job of communicating his will to his people in a way that all would understand rather than resort to ancient writings in dead languages (in some cases), without preserving the originals, which are full of human errors, contradictions, and political motivation. The Bible = the word of an all-powerfull, all-knowing, all-loving god? Not possible. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
midniterider Posted June 17, 2014 Share Posted June 17, 2014 Why would BibleGod have to flood the earth? Why not just snap his fingers and all the assholes with bad thoughts would disappear off the face of the Earth? Two strange attributes of BibleGod: 1. The fantastic ability to create the universe, to create incredibly complex organisms, unlimited intelligence. 2. Grumpy old fart that gets angry when people ignore him or dont kiss his butt. These two attributes just dont seem to go together, imo. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neverlandrut Posted June 17, 2014 Share Posted June 17, 2014 Why would BibleGod have to flood the earth? Why not just snap his fingers and all the assholes with bad thoughts would disappear off the face of the Earth? Two strange attributes of BibleGod: 1. The fantastic ability to create the universe, to create incredibly complex organisms, unlimited intelligence. 2. Grumpy old fart that gets angry when people ignore him or dont kiss his butt. These two attributes just dont seem to go together, imo. True! The idea that god is all-knowing and all-powerful is inconsistent with the behavior of bible god. How could this god get angry if he knew in advance these people wouldn't obey him? Why even creat them in the first place if he knew their destiny was destruction? How could an all-knowing god "regret" he ever made man, as said in the Noah story? Regret is impossible for an all-knowing being. Human free will does not help answer any of these questions because if god is ALL-knowing/powerful, then no one's will can override his own. The idea that anything could happen that god did not intend means that god does not have control of everything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roz Posted June 17, 2014 Author Share Posted June 17, 2014 Why would BibleGod have to flood the earth? Why not just snap his fingers and all the assholes with bad thoughts would disappear off the face of the Earth? Two strange attributes of BibleGod: 1. The fantastic ability to create the universe, to create incredibly complex organisms, unlimited intelligence. 2. Grumpy old fart that gets angry when people ignore him or dont kiss his butt. These two attributes just dont seem to go together, imo. Bang on. Exactly why I referred to the story of Hezekiah and Sennacherib. Biblegod, in the verses I quoted, plainly took credit with taking out Senny's army. No slow agonizing death. Hell, the NT story of Ananias and Sphirah (can't remember exact spelling). They were living and then the next instant they fell down dead. Why yaweh/allah/yeshitwa chose to drown everyone in the world does NOT make sense at all. The depravity of yaweh/allah/yeshitwa has got to be the worst in all fiction. Dawkins was right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mymistake Posted June 17, 2014 Share Posted June 17, 2014 Why would BibleGod have to flood the earth? Why not just snap his fingers and all the assholes with bad thoughts would disappear off the face of the Earth? Two strange attributes of BibleGod: 1. The fantastic ability to create the universe, to create incredibly complex organisms, unlimited intelligence. 2. Grumpy old fart that gets angry when people ignore him or dont kiss his butt. These two attributes just dont seem to go together, imo. Bang on. Exactly why I referred to the story of Hezekiah and Sennacherib. Biblegod, in the verses I quoted, plainly took credit with taking out Senny's army. No slow agonizing death. Hell, the NT story of Ananias and Sphirah (can't remember exact spelling). They were living and then the next instant they fell down dead. Why yaweh/allah/yeshitwa chose to drown everyone in the world does NOT make sense at all. The depravity of yaweh/allah/yeshitwa has got to be the worst in all fiction. Dawkins was right. Yes. When you examine the story the apologist will write off every detail as a miracle. How could they feed all the animals for a year? It was a miracle. How did they keep the carnivores from eating the last of the herbivores? It was a miracle. How could Noah collect animals from other continents? It was a miracle. They would have us think there was so much direct action by God at every step of the way then that makes God responsible for choosing to drown all the innocents in the story. Kittens were wicked? Bunny rabbits were evil? Puppy dogs were in rebellion? It doesn't wash. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
midniterider Posted June 18, 2014 Share Posted June 18, 2014 God creates everything in 6 days...but decides on a slow, labor intensive course of action to destroy all the people but save the animals....why save the animals? Oh and let me scoff at the idea of 600 year old men. Scoffing now. :-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pratt Posted June 18, 2014 Share Posted June 18, 2014 noah n gang never questioned god n built the ark n got the animals in,,,,,, thats why he's saved,,, you guys whined and complained, no wonder god only find noah "righteous",,,,,,,, 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roz Posted June 18, 2014 Author Share Posted June 18, 2014 I suddenly remember all those sermons talking about how "if god opens up a door for you, walk by faith and do it." "Be like abraham! He walked where god wanted him to!" The giant test of an almighty deity is blind faith, not critical thinking. I guess that works for the christians here but man that's just sadistic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest afireinside Posted June 18, 2014 Share Posted June 18, 2014 God creates everything in 6 days...but decides on a slow, labor intensive course of action to destroy all the people but save the animals....why save the animals? Oh and let me scoff at the idea of 600 year old men. Scoffing now. :-) I too shall scoff! Let us raise up a chorus of scoff! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ravenstar Posted June 18, 2014 Share Posted June 18, 2014 Scoffing! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neverlandrut Posted June 18, 2014 Share Posted June 18, 2014 I suddenly remember all those sermons talking about how "if god opens up a door for you, walk by faith and do it." "Be like abraham! He walked where god wanted him to!" The giant test of an almighty deity is blind faith, not critical thinking. I guess that works for the christians here but man that's just sadistic. They can use those stories as poetic metaphor beautifully! Combine that with lot's of social and familial reinforcement and you have BRAIN WASHING! Scoff!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Moderator TheRedneckProfessor Posted June 18, 2014 Super Moderator Share Posted June 18, 2014 I see your scoff and raise you two ridicules and a deride. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pratt Posted June 18, 2014 Share Posted June 18, 2014 i raised you folks 3 viagras and 2 cialis Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisdownunder Posted June 18, 2014 Share Posted June 18, 2014 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mymistake Posted June 18, 2014 Share Posted June 18, 2014 I suddenly remember all those sermons talking about how "if god opens up a door for you, walk by faith and do it." "Be like abraham! He walked where god wanted him to!" The giant test of an almighty deity is blind faith, not critical thinking. I guess that works for the christians here but man that's just sadistic. God wants us to obey the voices in our head without question. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neverlandrut Posted June 18, 2014 Share Posted June 18, 2014 I suddenly remember all those sermons talking about how "if god opens up a door for you, walk by faith and do it." "Be like abraham! He walked where god wanted him to!" The giant test of an almighty deity is blind faith, not critical thinking. I guess that works for the christians here but man that's just sadistic. God wants us to obey the voices in our head without question. The parallels between phsycosis and religious belief (in some cases) is remarkable! Religion is an insult to human dignity. With or without it you would have good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things. But for good people to do evil things, that takes religion. -Steven Weinberg 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Moderator TheRedneckProfessor Posted June 18, 2014 Super Moderator Share Posted June 18, 2014 i raised you folks 3 viagras and 2 cialis That ought to be enough to raise just about anything! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
midniterider Posted June 18, 2014 Share Posted June 18, 2014 God creates everything in 6 days...but decides on a slow, labor intensive course of action to destroy all the people but save the animals....why save the animals? Oh and let me scoff at the idea of 600 year old men. Scoffing now. :-) I too shall scoff! Let us raise up a chorus of scoff! Scoffallujah! Scoffallujah, Scoffalujah! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
midniterider Posted June 18, 2014 Share Posted June 18, 2014 There you have it. :-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest afireinside Posted June 18, 2014 Share Posted June 18, 2014 Rapapapalalakalareepaaaraaapurapaureerepu Scoffing in tongues even 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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