bornagainathiest Posted August 5, 2014 Share Posted August 5, 2014 "The only God-ordained fear is the fear of God, and if we fear Him we don't have to fear anyone or anything else." Mark Batterson. . . . The 'good' pastor Batterson doesn't seem to know his Bible very well. Matthew 10 : 28, NIV. "Do not be afraid of those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul. Rather, be afraid of the One who can destroy both body and soul in hell." Sorry Ironhorse, but that's a God-ordained instruction to fear Satan... right from the lips of Jesus. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1AcceptingAThiest1 Posted August 5, 2014 Share Posted August 5, 2014 late on this topic, but yea fear tactics is the best way to control people, And many people use it in work, politics, even boyfriend and girlfriend tries to give ultimatums. I didnt becoem christian because of fear but i know people who did, and that is a sad reality. I wish more people would come to christianty because of the LOVE i experienced and not the FEAR people use. That is NOT what happened to me, i chose christianty out of desire and want not because of tactics Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bornagainathiest Posted August 5, 2014 Share Posted August 5, 2014 "The only God-ordained fear is the fear of God, and if we fear Him we don't have to fear anyone or anything else." Mark Batterson. . . . The 'good' pastor Batterson doesn't seem to know his Bible very well. Matthew 10 : 28, NIV. "Do not be afraid of those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul. Rather, be afraid of the One who can destroy both body and soul in hell." Sorry Ironhorse, but that's a God-ordained instruction to fear Satan... right from the lips of Jesus. Ironhorse, Do you trust what Pastor Batterson writes here... http://www.markbatterson.com/ ...when his grasp of scripture is so shaky? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ironhorse Posted August 5, 2014 Share Posted August 5, 2014 "The only God-ordained fear is the fear of God, and if we fear Him we don't have to fear anyone or anything else." Mark Batterson. . . . The 'good' pastor Batterson doesn't seem to know his Bible very well. Matthew 10 : 28, NIV. "Do not be afraid of those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul. Rather, be afraid of the One who can destroy both body and soul in hell." Sorry Ironhorse, but that's a God-ordained instruction to fear Satan... right from the lips of Jesus. Ironhorse, Do you trust what Pastor Batterson writes here... http://www.markbatterson.com/ ...when his grasp of scripture is so shaky? bornagainathiest, I like the quote. I've heard the same thought expressed almost with the same words. I found him quoted on a 'quote' page. I have never heard of him actually, so I don't know anything about him or what he teaches. I will check out the link you posted and let you know I think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bornagainathiest Posted August 6, 2014 Share Posted August 6, 2014 "The only God-ordained fear is the fear of God, and if we fear Him we don't have to fear anyone or anything else." Mark Batterson. . . . The 'good' pastor Batterson doesn't seem to know his Bible very well. Matthew 10 : 28, NIV. "Do not be afraid of those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul. Rather, be afraid of the One who can destroy both body and soul in hell." Sorry Ironhorse, but that's a God-ordained instruction to fear Satan... right from the lips of Jesus. Ironhorse, Do you trust what Pastor Batterson writes here... http://www.markbatterson.com/ ...when his grasp of scripture is so shaky? bornagainathiest, I like the quote. I've heard the same thought expressed almost with the same words. I found him quoted on a 'quote' page. I have never heard of him actually, so I don't know anything about him or what he teaches. I will check out the link you posted and let you know I think. Well, you might want to bear this in mind, Ironhorse. 1 John 4 : 18, NIV 18 There is no fear in love. But perfect love drives out fear,because fear has to do with punishment. The one who fears is not made perfect in love. How can there be God-ordained fear if God is love? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bornagainathiest Posted August 6, 2014 Share Posted August 6, 2014 “The only God-ordained fear is the fear of God, and if we fear Him, we don't have to fear anyone or anything else.” ~ Mark Batterson IH, In his epistle, John tells us that "perfect love casts out fear." By this reasoning, love should cast out the fear of God, and in essence cast out God himself. But wait, John also says that "God is love." So then, God casts out God. It's all in your mind, God, fear, and even love. And you get to choose which one you live by. Human That's interesting, Human. "God casts out God." . . . Ironically, there's a nice parallel quote to that in the Bible... spoken by God (Jesus) Himself. Matthew 12:2621st Century King James Version (KJ21) 26 And if Satan cast out Satan, he is divided against himself; how then shall his kingdom stand? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bornagainathiest Posted August 6, 2014 Share Posted August 6, 2014 BAA, Thanks for posting that passage. It came to mind right after I realized the implication of "God casts out God." The parallel is not merely coincidental, I suspect. That's my psychological view of it. Human Sounds good to me, H. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bornagainathiest Posted August 6, 2014 Share Posted August 6, 2014 BAA, Thanks for posting that passage. It came to mind right after I realized the implication of "God casts out God." The parallel is not merely coincidental, I suspect. That's my psychological view of it. Human Sounds good to me, H. BAA, btw, my 3 favorite ST characters are: Spock, Spock, and Spock. Do you know which three I mean? One is already obvious. (Sorry this is off topic.) Ah, Hell!!! (Back on topic. LOL) Human Let's see... Mister Spock, from the U.S.S. Enterprise. Mirror Spock, from the I.S.S. Enterprise. and...? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mymistake Posted August 6, 2014 Share Posted August 6, 2014 BAA, Thanks for posting that passage. It came to mind right after I realized the implication of "God casts out God." The parallel is not merely coincidental, I suspect. That's my psychological view of it. Human Sounds good to me, H. BAA, btw, my 3 favorite ST characters are: Spock, Spock, and Spock. Do you know which three I mean? One is already obvious. (Sorry this is off topic.) Ah, Hell!!! (Back on topic. LOL) Human Let's see... Mister Spock, from the U.S.S. Enterprise. Mirror Spock, from the I.S.S. Enterprise. and...? There is also alternative timeline Spock: But I have to say he is no favorite of mine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roz Posted August 6, 2014 Share Posted August 6, 2014 off the topic, but Quinto gets points from me because he's the Spock that actually kicked Kirk's ass in combat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bornagainathiest Posted August 6, 2014 Share Posted August 6, 2014 Heck! We could have had (yet) another Spock, if the transporter had duplicated/divided him, as it did to Kirk. http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/The_Enemy_Within_(episode) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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