bornagainathiest Posted November 13, 2014 Share Posted November 13, 2014 Choose a definition of communion, and while we're at it, Communion, and run with it. For. the. love. of. God. or. science. please. Here, like this: Communion means... or like this: communion means... Nobody has to agree so long as everyone agrees, OK? End3, we can commune. You and everyone on this forum can commune. You and God can commune too, but like I said before, laying on my back naked in the green grass is only communion if the grass is communing back, even if the grass is God only in my mind. BAA, No offense, my brainiac friend, because I like you and think you are cool. But...ease up on the legalism a little. Let the man talk. Don't get lost in semantics. Pick a definition, even if it's a dangerous one, and deal with it. Remember the two Lazaruses in the original Star Trek locked into eternal battle..... :-) Ha! Some of us dust-covered fossils actually watched those episodes... first-time round! No friggin' repeats. No reruns! No such thing as wideo (as Chekhov might say) recordings! . . . But which one is End and which one is me? Lazarus or Anti-Lazarus? BAA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FreeThinkerNZ Posted November 14, 2014 Author Share Posted November 14, 2014 And this all springs from a snippet from a bullshit generator...Yeah but, I think that I just now learned that -- communication + woo = communion So its all good! Yes! Finally, someone has made sense of all this BS. Thank you for that. Think what you want NZ. When you have someone or something die that means the world to you and then it's gone, ask yourself if the quality of that relationship wasn't as close to God as there could be on this earth. I think when we can learn to appreciate just the fact that there IS a relationship, good or bad, and especially good, then we are at the point of living....life....eternal life. You couch it in whatever terms or language you wish, but am pretty sure that is what the Bible is trying to convey. Yes humans fear death, their own and others, but that is no reason to believe in an imaginary sky daddy. On the contrary, I found that the belief that we will see loved ones again interfered with a healthy grieving process of accepting the loss fully. I'm pretty sure the bible was trying to convey a totalitarian mind control regime designed to control the population, but we can agree to disagree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mydisplayname Posted November 14, 2014 Share Posted November 14, 2014 <snip? I'm pretty sure the bible was trying to convey a totalitarian mind control regime designed to control the population, but we can agree to disagree. No NZ, It just really proves to you that Innocence exists as reckless potential and that good health undertakes self-righteous creativity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fweethawt Posted November 14, 2014 Share Posted November 14, 2014 <snip? I'm pretty sure the bible was trying to convey a totalitarian mind control regime designed to control the population, but we can agree to disagree. No NZ, It just really proves to you that Innocence exists as reckless potential and that good health undertakes self-righteous creativity. Exactly! And if she'd just miss the point entirely, she would come to a full understanding! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
midniterider Posted November 14, 2014 Share Posted November 14, 2014 Someone already mentioned the bible as being the original bullshit generator, right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fweethawt Posted November 14, 2014 Share Posted November 14, 2014 Someone already mentioned the bible as being the original bullshit generator, right? I think Florduh did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest end3 Posted November 14, 2014 Share Posted November 14, 2014 And this all springs from a snippet from a bullshit generator...Yeah but, I think that I just now learned that -- communication + woo = communion So its all good! Yes! Finally, someone has made sense of all this BS. Thank you for that. Think what you want NZ. When you have someone or something die that means the world to you and then it's gone, ask yourself if the quality of that relationship wasn't as close to God as there could be on this earth. I think when we can learn to appreciate just the fact that there IS a relationship, good or bad, and especially good, then we are at the point of living....life....eternal life. You couch it in whatever terms or language you wish, but am pretty sure that is what the Bible is trying to convey. Yes humans fear death, their own and others, but that is no reason to believe in an imaginary sky daddy. On the contrary, I found that the belief that we will see loved ones again interfered with a healthy grieving process of accepting the loss fully. I'm pretty sure the bible was trying to convey a totalitarian mind control regime designed to control the population, but we can agree to disagree. Interesting that I'll never see you again is more healing for you than I'll see you again. It's not a stretch to understand why you don't believe God is in the relationships. Yes, not a problem to agree to disagree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bornagainathiest Posted November 14, 2014 Share Posted November 14, 2014 Ah... good! End's online. Could you please look at post # 174 End and then answer this question? "What must each of us do to stay equal to the others, when it comes to the definition of the word communion?" . . . To help you out some more, here's a bit more explanation. EACH OF US ...refers to you, me, Orbit, theProf, Fweethawt and anyone else involved in finding a working definition of the word communion. DO ...refers to the action each of us must take when agreeing on the meaning of that working definition. TO STAY EQUAL ...refers to our status re: each other, which must at all times be totally equal to each other. . . . Please factor these points into your answer to the above question. Thanks, BAA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest end3 Posted November 14, 2014 Share Posted November 14, 2014 Ah... good! End's online. Could you please look at post # 174 End and then answer this question? "What must each of us do to stay equal to the others, when it comes to the definition of the word communion?" . . . To help you out some more, here's a bit more explanation. EACH OF US ...refers to you, me, Orbit, theProf, Fweethawt and anyone else involved in finding a working definition of the word communion. DO ...refers to the action each of us must take when agreeing on the meaning of that working definition. TO STAY EQUAL ...refers to our status re: each other, which must at all times be totally equal to each other. . . . Please factor these points into your answer to the above question. Thanks, BAA. We wont ever be equal imo, so compromise is the only option with regard to communion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Moderator TheRedneckProfessor Posted November 14, 2014 Super Moderator Share Posted November 14, 2014 Ah... good! End's online. Could you please look at post # 174 End and then answer this question? "What must each of us do to stay equal to the others, when it comes to the definition of the word communion?" . . . To help you out some more, here's a bit more explanation. EACH OF US ...refers to you, me, Orbit, theProf, Fweethawt and anyone else involved in finding a working definition of the word communion. DO ...refers to the action each of us must take when agreeing on the meaning of that working definition. TO STAY EQUAL ...refers to our status re: each other, which must at all times be totally equal to each other. . . . Please factor these points into your answer to the above question. Thanks, BAA. We wont ever be equal imo, so compromise is the only option with regard to communion. Then do you see me as your superior, or your inferior? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest end3 Posted November 14, 2014 Share Posted November 14, 2014 Ah... good! End's online. Could you please look at post # 174 End and then answer this question? "What must each of us do to stay equal to the others, when it comes to the definition of the word communion?" . . . To help you out some more, here's a bit more explanation. EACH OF US ...refers to you, me, Orbit, theProf, Fweethawt and anyone else involved in finding a working definition of the word communion. DO ...refers to the action each of us must take when agreeing on the meaning of that working definition. TO STAY EQUAL ...refers to our status re: each other, which must at all times be totally equal to each other. . . . Please factor these points into your answer to the above question. Thanks, BAA. We wont ever be equal imo, so compromise is the only option with regard to communion. Then do you see me as your superior, or your inferior? That's a good thought. I typically see people with higher intellect as superior and lower inferior....to generalize. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orbit Posted November 14, 2014 Share Posted November 14, 2014 How about we just agree agree that an objective definition is one that is true for all of us; a common definition would be one that does not include religion. How about we call it human interaction? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest end3 Posted November 14, 2014 Share Posted November 14, 2014 How about we just agree agree that an objective definition is one that is true for all of us; a common definition would be one that does not include religion. How about we call it human interaction? Good, how do we do that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orbit Posted November 14, 2014 Share Posted November 14, 2014 How about we just agree agree that an objective definition is one that is true for all of us; a common definition would be one that does not include religion. How about we call it human interaction? Good, how do we do that. I think we just did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest end3 Posted November 14, 2014 Share Posted November 14, 2014 How about we just agree agree that an objective definition is one that is true for all of us; a common definition would be one that does not include religion. How about we call it human interaction? Good, how do we do that. I think we just did. No, I breathe different air, I eat different foods, my body is programmed differently. So everything is subjective right down to every microsecond that I am alive. So what now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bornagainathiest Posted November 14, 2014 Share Posted November 14, 2014 No, I breathe different air, I eat different foods, my body is programmed differently. So everything is subjective right down to every microsecond that I am alive. So what now. What now? Well, firstly, thanks for sticking around and for answering my question, End. You didn't have to do that. Nobody forced you to do that. You exercised your free will, made the choice and answered the question. And I thank you for doing so. But in the light of your above quote, I really must ask you some serious questions. 1. Are you saying that you don't have the ability to choose to be less subjective than you are? 2. Are you saying that you don't have any free will, when it comes to your subjectivity? 3. Are you saying that you are trapped in your own subjectivity and unable to escape from it? 4. Are you saying that there's nothing you can do to be less subjective than you are right now? . . . Thanks, BAA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
midniterider Posted November 14, 2014 Share Posted November 14, 2014 No, I breathe different air, I eat different foods, my body is programmed differently. So everything is subjective right down to every microsecond that I am alive. So what now. Must be a tough time at work, each employee having his own private definitions for words. How do you ever commune-icate? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bornagainathiest Posted November 14, 2014 Share Posted November 14, 2014 Ah... good! End's online. Could you please look at post # 174 End and then answer this question? "What must each of us do to stay equal to the others, when it comes to the definition of the word communion?" . . . To help you out some more, here's a bit more explanation. EACH OF US ...refers to you, me, Orbit, theProf, Fweethawt and anyone else involved in finding a working definition of the word communion. DO ...refers to the action each of us must take when agreeing on the meaning of that working definition. TO STAY EQUAL ...refers to our status re: each other, which must at all times be totally equal to each other. . . . Please factor these points into your answer to the above question. Thanks, BAA. We wont ever be equal imo, so compromise is the only option with regard to communion. Btw End. In this forum our status is that of equals. You don't have any power to get me to agree to something that if I don't want to. And vice versa. And so it goes for everyone here - equally. Each of us has the very same freedom to agree or disagree with each other. Please confirm that you appreciate this as an undeniable fact of this forum's workings. Thanks, BAA 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest end3 Posted November 14, 2014 Share Posted November 14, 2014 No, I breathe different air, I eat different foods, my body is programmed differently. So everything is subjective right down to every microsecond that I am alive. So what now. What now? Well, firstly, thanks for sticking around and for answering my question, End. You didn't have to do that. Nobody forced you to do that. You exercised your free will, made the choice and answered the question. And I thank you for doing so. But in the light of your above quote, I really must ask you some serious questions. 1. Are you saying that you don't have the ability to choose to be less subjective than you are? 2. Are you saying that you don't have any free will, when it comes to your subjectivity? 3. Are you saying that you are trapped in your own subjectivity and unable to escape from it? 4. Are you saying that there's nothing you can do to be less subjective than you are right now? . . . Thanks, BAA. 1) How do you know that my "make-up/physiology" doesn't specifically drive my subjectivity? 2) Yes, I think I do. 3) Yes, I think I'm trapped in my personal subjectivity. 4) Yes, I can sacrifice my own subjectivity....aka "die to self" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest end3 Posted November 14, 2014 Share Posted November 14, 2014 No, I breathe different air, I eat different foods, my body is programmed differently. So everything is subjective right down to every microsecond that I am alive. So what now. Must be a tough time at work, each employee having his own private definitions for words. How do you ever commune-icate? By endeavoring in a relationship . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bornagainathiest Posted November 14, 2014 Share Posted November 14, 2014 No, I breathe different air, I eat different foods, my body is programmed differently. So everything is subjective right down to every microsecond that I am alive. So what now. What now? Well, firstly, thanks for sticking around and for answering my question, End. You didn't have to do that. Nobody forced you to do that. You exercised your free will, made the choice and answered the question. And I thank you for doing so. But in the light of your above quote, I really must ask you some serious questions. 1. Are you saying that you don't have the ability to choose to be less subjective than you are? 2. Are you saying that you don't have any free will, when it comes to your subjectivity? 3. Are you saying that you are trapped in your own subjectivity and unable to escape from it? 4. Are you saying that there's nothing you can do to be less subjective than you are right now? . . . Thanks, BAA. 1)How do you know that my "make-up/physiology" doesn't specifically drive my subjectivity? 2) Yes, I think I do. 3) Yes, I think I'm trapped in my personal subjectivity. 4) Yes, I can sacrifice my own subjectivity....aka "die to self" If you trapped in your own personal prison cell of subjectivity, End No, I breathe different air, I eat different foods, my body is programmed differently. So everything is subjective right down to every microsecond that I am alive. So what now. Must be a tough time at work, each employee having his own private definitions for words. How do you ever commune-icate? By endeavoring in a relationship . But how can you have a relationship with anyone if you're trapped inside your own subjectivity? By dying to yourself? Please give us a worked example of this from your life. Thanks, BAA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bornagainathiest Posted November 14, 2014 Share Posted November 14, 2014 No, I breathe different air, I eat different foods, my body is programmed differently. So everything is subjective right down to every microsecond that I am alive. So what now. What now? Well, firstly, thanks for sticking around and for answering my question, End. You didn't have to do that. Nobody forced you to do that. You exercised your free will, made the choice and answered the question. And I thank you for doing so. But in the light of your above quote, I really must ask you some serious questions. 1. Are you saying that you don't have the ability to choose to be less subjective than you are? 2. Are you saying that you don't have any free will, when it comes to your subjectivity? 3. Are you saying that you are trapped in your own subjectivity and unable to escape from it? 4. Are you saying that there's nothing you can do to be less subjective than you are right now? . . . Thanks, BAA. 1) How do you know that my "make-up/physiology" doesn't specifically drive my subjectivity? 2) Yes, I think I do. 3) Yes, I think I'm trapped in my personal subjectivity. 4) Yes, I can sacrifice my own subjectivity....aka "die to self" #1. You aren't able to give a Yes or No on this? #2. You do have the free will to change...? #3. But you're also trapped and unable to change...? #4. Please cite a worked example from your life. Thanks, BAA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bornagainathiest Posted November 14, 2014 Share Posted November 14, 2014 A man locked in a sealed prison cell cannot communicate with the outside world. A man locked in a sealed prison cell can communicate with the outside world. This total contradiction is resolved by the man 'dying to himself'...? Please explain, End. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest end3 Posted November 14, 2014 Share Posted November 14, 2014 But how can you have a relationship with anyone if you're trapped inside your own subjectivity? As we can't define a dynamic subjectivity, then FAITH is all we have....and prediction. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest end3 Posted November 14, 2014 Share Posted November 14, 2014 #1. You aren't able to give a Yes or No on this? #2. You do have the free will to change...? #3. But you're also trapped and unable to change...? #4. Please cite a worked example from your life. 1) Right, I am unsure. 2) To change what? 3) Yes, subjectivity is unshared. 4) ?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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