LeiaBryant Posted March 12, 2020 Author Share Posted March 12, 2020 1 hour ago, Tsathoggua9 said: Very good point! @Tsathoggua9 what do you think of the original question, can Christianity be nonpatriarchal? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
◊ Weezer ◊ Posted March 12, 2020 Share Posted March 12, 2020 I only have 2 or 3 original Christian friends who have stood by me. And they are the luke warm, go to church at Easter and Xmas kind. Most others still are friendly and tolerate me, but the relationship is not the same, including many relatives. I don't discuss religion with any of them because it is obvious they don't want to. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tsathoggua9 Posted March 12, 2020 Share Posted March 12, 2020 1 hour ago, LeiaBryant said: @Tsathoggua9 what do you think of the original question, can Christianity be nonpatriarchal? I think that the patriarchy aspect is pretty much built-in to the religion. That being said, there are plenty of people who self-identify as christians who simply do not take the harsh aspects of their faith that seriously, and instead emphasize more egalitarian qualities. My personal preference is just to relinquish Christianity altogether, but, hey! Different strokes fer different folks. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
◊ Weezer ◊ Posted March 12, 2020 Share Posted March 12, 2020 3 minutes ago, Tsathoggua9 said: My personal preference is just to relinquish Christianity altogether, but, hey! Different strokes fer different folks. Very true. People tend to believe what they want to believe, and tune out the rest. And too often in the world critical thinking is not encouraged. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tsathoggua9 Posted March 12, 2020 Share Posted March 12, 2020 3 minutes ago, Weezer said: Very true. People tend to believe what they want to believe, and tune out the rest. And too often in the world critical thinking is not encouraged. Well, ya see, I have noticed that some of these people who stay in church don't even really believe the dogma anymore. They just don't want to leave their church for purely social reasons. I've talked with a few individuals in that sort of situation. Once the older folk (these people's parents) die off, I think that we will see more of a true mass break/ exodus from established religion. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TruthSeeker0 Posted March 13, 2020 Share Posted March 13, 2020 6 hours ago, Tsathoggua9 said: Well, ya see, I have noticed that some of these people who stay in church don't even really believe the dogma anymore. They just don't want to leave their church for purely social reasons. I've talked with a few individuals in that sort of situation. Once the older folk (these people's parents) die off, I think that we will see more of a true mass break/ exodus from established religion. Yup I know people exactly like this. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeiaBryant Posted March 13, 2020 Author Share Posted March 13, 2020 On 3/11/2020 at 1:05 PM, freedwoman said: If I could go back in time when the Bible was being written by those abusive oppressive men of God. I would gather my sisters and tell them how in other religions women are revered and of equal status with men. Even warriors. And we would cut their manhood parts off while they are asleep. Sister you can't get around it. Judaism, Christianity, and Islam all hate us women and think we're only good for one thing. Amen sister preach Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeiaBryant Posted March 13, 2020 Author Share Posted March 13, 2020 On 3/12/2020 at 8:30 AM, Joshpantera said: You're on the verge of seeing true colors. And how nasty a lot of christians can be towards (1) non-believers and (2) esoteric mystics. But I suspect that some of them will not flip a switch. But of those who don't flip the nasty switch, you'll likely encounter some who act friendly but are steadfast about trying to bring back around again. And making gestures in that direction. I did see true colors, I got mixed results like the ones you describe. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TruthSeeker0 Posted March 14, 2020 Share Posted March 14, 2020 7 hours ago, LeiaBryant said: I did see true colors, I got mixed results like the ones you describe. How did it go? How are you doing? Going through all that can be tough. But this group is here for you. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeiaBryant Posted March 14, 2020 Author Share Posted March 14, 2020 56 minutes ago, TruthSeeker0 said: How did it go? How are you doing? Going through all that can be tough. But this group is here for you. It went well,I am okay kind of. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeiaBryant Posted March 15, 2020 Author Share Posted March 15, 2020 On 3/11/2020 at 3:33 PM, TruthSeeker0 said: Agreed. If it were me I'd expect "Satan has your heart" and they'd drop me immediately. Speaking as an ex xtian who also dropped my friend when she came out gay, (I was still xtian then) I can say it forced me to examine my beliefs, that was too difficult for me, and so I dropped her. Not everyone will do that but from where I come from they are very few and far between. I got one close to that ,I quote "the devil has you soul child" most were more tame than that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeiaBryant Posted March 22, 2020 Author Share Posted March 22, 2020 I have recently made a new friend who is Christian and not patriarchal with the faith, her church even has a female pastor! I am glad I finally have Christian friends that have known I was a witch from the beginning. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest freedwoman Posted March 22, 2020 Share Posted March 22, 2020 16 hours ago, LeiaBryant said: I have recently made a new friend who is Christian and not patriarchal with the faith, her church even has a female pastor! I am glad I finally have Christian friends that have known I was a witch from the beginning. They are being unbiblical. https://biblehub.com/1_timothy/2-12.htm https://biblehub.com/1_corinthians/14-34.htm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
esbee Posted June 26, 2021 Share Posted June 26, 2021 yes, in fact it does better without patriarchy, which is not god's original intention for a relationship with him. here is what i found out about patriarchy or complementarianism teachings that hold to women not being in any leadership or pastoral preaching position) vs. egalitarianism 1- patriarchy is biblical but only in that it is recorded as historical in the scriptures---it is not commanded as god's will in any way --it is just the way families lived back then 2-- sites that promote patriarchy as god's will for women (wife, mother, home)---have thousands of rules for women to follow that range from how to dress, what jobs god approves of, that women should not go to college, woe to the woman that does not want babies, lots and lots of them 3---there are mainly 2 rules for men at pat sites--lead and breed and disciplining the wife with spanking or a good back handing, taking her credit cards or lowering her allowance 4- pat sites try to make it sound like god wants all christian families to be like 1950's honey I'm home but forget that women have worked outside the home all over the world for millennia and also forget the black and mexican women have worked inside the homes of white women `for decades- 5- pat believers are often very unfriendly, even vitriolic if you disagree with them calling names and casting aspersions on one's salvation 6 egal sites write articles based on years of learning bible languages, history and culture, then leave it up to the reader to decide ---7- you will find many sites where women tell their stories of abuse under pat teachings because the abuser hides behind the misquoted scriptures that women are to be silent and submissive -8--you will not find sites were women are abused under egalitarian teachings because each individual is responsible to god for their spiritual and other growth---pat teachings say the husband is the spiritual leader of the wife and responsible for her spiritual growth---should a fallible man be responsible for another adult’s growth in the Lord. What if he is abusive? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Moderator TheRedneckProfessor Posted June 26, 2021 Super Moderator Share Posted June 26, 2021 Welcome to the conversation, @esbee. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
midniterider Posted June 26, 2021 Share Posted June 26, 2021 ---7- you will find many sites where women tell their stories of abuse under pat teachings because the abuser hides behind the misquoted scriptures that women are to be silent and submissive. Which scriptures? What is the real message behind these scriptures? Does the bible mean what it says? Are these scriptures relevant today? ....... --should a fallible man be responsible for another adult’s growth in the Lord. What if he is abusive? A woman should not be silent or submissive to a man because a book or religious culture says that's how it will be. Common sense, reason, critical thinking and logic should play an important role. There is no inherent gender superiority. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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