Moderator TrueFreedom Posted August 13, 2014 Moderator Share Posted August 13, 2014 Does Blues Clues get you off, A1? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1AcceptingAThiest1 Posted August 13, 2014 Share Posted August 13, 2014 the only way I could not misrpresent atheists is to have a real one paly it himself lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1AcceptingAThiest1 Posted August 13, 2014 Share Posted August 13, 2014 True Freedom Blues Clues is Hot. Yes. ohhh man let me tell ya Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Moderator TheRedneckProfessor Posted August 13, 2014 Author Super Moderator Share Posted August 13, 2014 not a bad idea, its actually an audio book, im hiring real atheists to play and christians to play certain roles, I myself is playing an atheist certain roles and parts its more like a play but in storyform but with real dialogue there going to be 22 chapters im only on chapter 2 jsut started because most of the time went to developing the plot for all 22 chapters. once i get to chapter 5 i will release the first two Okay, enough shameless advertising. If you want to plug your book, do it on somebody else's thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gall Posted August 13, 2014 Share Posted August 13, 2014 me and my friends play video games some watch porn and i dont. I watch Blues clues, and they dont. We haev different tastes. We chat like everybody else do. No one feels disrespected. If they did they would have left years ago and converse with other atheists isntead of the likes of me Didn't the blues clues guy kill himself? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ironhorse Posted August 13, 2014 Share Posted August 13, 2014 "Either way, why would animals not be afraid of the humans who were killing them, either for their own or their gods' consumption, until after the flood?" If you mean why did the animals willingly enter the ark, here's my answer. I live in a rural area in the South. There is no way I could go out and round up two of a kind of all the critters that live in the woods. I believe God instructed the animals to enter the ark. I did not mean, "Why did the animals willingly enter the ark?" and you know perfectly well that is not what I meant. I meant, "Why were the animals not already afraid of the humans who were killing them." You are being supremely disingenuous, TinPony; and I am nearing the end of my patience with you. Stop playing games and answer the fucking question or you and I are done. Before the flood God did not give humans permission to eat meat. Also, animals did have an instinctive fear of man. After the flood, that changed: "And the fear of you and the dread of you shall be on every beast of the earth, on every bird of the air, on all that move on the earth, and on all the fish of the sea. They are given into your hand. Every moving thing that lives shall be food for you. I have given you all things, even as the green herbs." ~Genesis 9:1-3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Moderator TheRedneckProfessor Posted August 13, 2014 Author Super Moderator Share Posted August 13, 2014 "Either way, why would animals not be afraid of the humans who were killing them, either for their own or their gods' consumption, until after the flood?" If you mean why did the animals willingly enter the ark, here's my answer. I live in a rural area in the South. There is no way I could go out and round up two of a kind of all the critters that live in the woods. I believe God instructed the animals to enter the ark. I did not mean, "Why did the animals willingly enter the ark?" and you know perfectly well that is not what I meant. I meant, "Why were the animals not already afraid of the humans who were killing them." You are being supremely disingenuous, TinPony; and I am nearing the end of my patience with you. Stop playing games and answer the fucking question or you and I are done. Before the flood God did not give humans permission to eat meat. Also, animals did have an instinctive fear of man. After the flood, that changed: "And the fear of you and the dread of you shall be on every beast of the earth, on every bird of the air, on all that move on the earth, and on all the fish of the sea. They are given into your hand. Every moving thing that lives shall be food for you. I have given you all things, even as the green herbs." ~Genesis 9:1-3 1. If man did not eat meat before the flood, how did Noah know which animals were "clean" and which were "unclean"? 2. You made the statement that animals did have in instinctive fear of man (implying before the flood); then you made the contradictory statement that it changed after the flood when god put the fear of man into the animals. If the animals already feared man before the flood, then it wasn't god who put that fear into them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bornagainathiest Posted August 13, 2014 Share Posted August 13, 2014 Ironhorse believes that he doesn't have to answer your questions Prof. Sorry, but that's all there is to it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mymistake Posted August 13, 2014 Share Posted August 13, 2014 Ironhorse believes that he doesn't have to answer your questions Prof. Sorry, but that's all there is to it. Maybe Ironhorse thinks his mistakes won't be exposed as long as he doesn't answer those questions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1AcceptingAThiest1 Posted August 13, 2014 Share Posted August 13, 2014 yea blues guy did kill himself lol they hired a new person show was a bit better Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bornagainathiest Posted August 13, 2014 Share Posted August 13, 2014 I don't think it's a case of IH hiding from his mistakes, MM. He simply refuses to change his mind or be persuaded about anything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1AcceptingAThiest1 Posted August 13, 2014 Share Posted August 13, 2014 lol human turn off their humanity lol never heard that one, is that what you did when you were a christian back in the day and you had atheist friends? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lucynia Posted August 13, 2014 Share Posted August 13, 2014 lol human turn off their humanity lol never heard that one, is that what you did when you were a christian back in the day and you had atheist friends? Yes, to some extent that is what I had to do so I could look at a friend or family member and tell them that I love then but they are going to hell unless they accept Jesus. I had nightmares for months after a few loved ones died who didn't accept my Christian teachings. I had to somehow convince myself they deserved hell, that they made their choice. Worse yet, I believed I was the one who was responsible for their eternal torment. If only I had been more convincing, more relentless, more uncaring if their disinterest in my religion. It was wrong and cruel. Both for the church to teach me such view as a child, and for me to show such disrespect to the people I cared about So how do you handle it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderator TrueFreedom Posted August 13, 2014 Moderator Share Posted August 13, 2014 yea blues guy did kill himself lol they hired a new person show was a bit better He did not kill himself! And he was way better than the new guy. He quit because he was losing his hair and want to give music a shot. He's released two albums and acted in a few films since then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Moderator florduh Posted August 13, 2014 Super Moderator Share Posted August 13, 2014 I'm still embarrassed and ashamed every time I see Christians come here and demonstrate how they are able to fit round pegs into square holes. It's very sad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1AcceptingAThiest1 Posted August 13, 2014 Share Posted August 13, 2014 thats deep and brought me to tears sorry you went thru that my friend i dont have those battles, and i didnt have to erase my huamntiy to do so, but i can see why you did what you did sorry you experienced that bud. That was a real and heartfelt story there. will respond on break at work on what I feel about my atheist friends Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Moderator TheRedneckProfessor Posted August 20, 2014 Author Super Moderator Share Posted August 20, 2014 "Either way, why would animals not be afraid of the humans who were killing them, either for their own or their gods' consumption, until after the flood?" If you mean why did the animals willingly enter the ark, here's my answer. I live in a rural area in the South. There is no way I could go out and round up two of a kind of all the critters that live in the woods. I believe God instructed the animals to enter the ark. I did not mean, "Why did the animals willingly enter the ark?" and you know perfectly well that is not what I meant. I meant, "Why were the animals not already afraid of the humans who were killing them." You are being supremely disingenuous, TinPony; and I am nearing the end of my patience with you. Stop playing games and answer the fucking question or you and I are done. Before the flood God did not give humans permission to eat meat. Also, animals did have an instinctive fear of man. After the flood, that changed: "And the fear of you and the dread of you shall be on every beast of the earth, on every bird of the air, on all that move on the earth, and on all the fish of the sea. They are given into your hand. Every moving thing that lives shall be food for you. I have given you all things, even as the green herbs." ~Genesis 9:1-3 1. If man did not eat meat before the flood, how did Noah know which animals were "clean" and which were "unclean"? 2. You made the statement that animals did have in instinctive fear of man (implying before the flood); then you made the contradictory statement that it changed after the flood when god put the fear of man into the animals. If the animals already feared man before the flood, then it wasn't god who put that fear into them. Bump! Ironhorse, we all know that you have made a promise to address the many questions and issues we have laid before you. This is just one of those issues you need to address. I am a patient man, but you shouldn't test that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bornagainathiest Posted August 21, 2014 Share Posted August 21, 2014 Ironhorse, please answer the questions... you are trying the Prof's patience and others are watching and taking note. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bornagainathiest Posted August 31, 2014 Share Posted August 31, 2014 Ironhorse, please answer the questions... you are trying the Prof's patience and others are watching and taking note. (Bump!) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Moderator TheRedneckProfessor Posted September 6, 2014 Author Super Moderator Share Posted September 6, 2014 "Either way, why would animals not be afraid of the humans who were killing them, either for their own or their gods' consumption, until after the flood?" If you mean why did the animals willingly enter the ark, here's my answer. I live in a rural area in the South. There is no way I could go out and round up two of a kind of all the critters that live in the woods. I believe God instructed the animals to enter the ark. I did not mean, "Why did the animals willingly enter the ark?" and you know perfectly well that is not what I meant. I meant, "Why were the animals not already afraid of the humans who were killing them." You are being supremely disingenuous, TinPony; and I am nearing the end of my patience with you. Stop playing games and answer the fucking question or you and I are done. Before the flood God did not give humans permission to eat meat. Also, animals did have an instinctive fear of man. After the flood, that changed: "And the fear of you and the dread of you shall be on every beast of the earth, on every bird of the air, on all that move on the earth, and on all the fish of the sea. They are given into your hand. Every moving thing that lives shall be food for you. I have given you all things, even as the green herbs." ~Genesis 9:1-3 1. If man did not eat meat before the flood, how did Noah know which animals were "clean" and which were "unclean"? 2. You made the statement that animals did have in instinctive fear of man (implying before the flood); then you made the contradictory statement that it changed after the flood when god put the fear of man into the animals. If the animals already feared man before the flood, then it wasn't god who put that fear into them. Bump! Ironhorse, we all know that you have made a promise to address the many questions and issues we have laid before you. This is just one of those issues you need to address. I am a patient man, but you shouldn't test that. Ironhorse, please address the points I have made here as per your promise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mymistake Posted September 6, 2014 Share Posted September 6, 2014 Ironhorse, please address the points I have made here as per your promise. I think we have established that Christians in general are promise breakers. They will promise you salvation, heaven for eternity, unconditional love from both the divine creator and fellow Christians, peace that passes all understanding, a new life, freedom from burdens, freedom from human nature, a book that has all the answers, miracles, a perfectly planed out life, plus much more. Christian promises fall flat. Ironhorse is no different. He will promise anything if he thinks he can trick somebody into becoming a Christian. But then he realized that your questions do not help his agenda so he has better things to do. So his promise is worthless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Moderator TheRedneckProfessor Posted September 7, 2014 Author Super Moderator Share Posted September 7, 2014 You're right, MM. But continuing to shine the light on Ironhorse's dishonesty is helping my agenda, which is to expose christianity for the lie it is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neverlandrut Posted September 9, 2014 Share Posted September 9, 2014 Job is one of my favorite books in the Bible. It's the oldest scripture in the Bible and is worth reading more than a few times. It tackles, I think, realistically with the problem of pain and suffering. Though He slay me, yet will I trust Him. ~Job 13:15 Job's faith is amazing. And the ending.... Epilogue 7 After the Lord had said these things to Job, he said to Eliphaz the Temanite, “I am angry with you and your two friends, because you have not spoken the truth about me, as my servant Job has. 8 So now take seven bulls and seven rams and go to my servant Job and sacrifice a burnt offering for yourselves. My servant Job will pray for you, and I will accept his prayer and not deal with you according to your folly. You have not spoken the truth about me, as my servant Job has.” 9 So Eliphaz the Temanite, Bildad the Shuhite and Zophar the Naamathite did what the Lord told them; and the Lord accepted Job’s prayer. 10 After Job had prayed for his friends, the Lord restored his fortunes and gave him twice as much as he had before. 11 All his brothers and sisters and everyone who had known him before came and ate with him in his house. They comforted and consoled him over all the trouble the Lord had brought on him, and each one gave him a piece of silver[a] and a gold ring. 12 The Lord blessed the latter part of Job’s life more than the former part. He had fourteen thousand sheep, six thousand camels, a thousand yoke of oxen and a thousand donkeys. 13 And he also had seven sons and three daughters. 14 The first daughter he named Jemimah, the second Keziah and the third Keren-Happuch. 15 Nowhere in all the land were there found women as beautiful as Job’s daughters, and their father granted them an inheritance along with their brothers. 16 After this, Job lived a hundred and forty years; he saw his children and their children to the fourth generation. 17 And so Job died, an old man and full of years. ~Job 42 (New International Version) Yeah it is okay that God killed Job's ten children just to win a bet because after it was over God made sure Job had ten new children. Children are merely property and easily replaced. It's not like anybody would emotionally invest in a child. What verse says God killed Job's children? We don't seem to be concerned or in outrage about some children today. -19,839,720 abortions worldwide so far this year -3.1 million child deaths by hunger a year -3,000 a day by Malaria in Africa (DDT had virtually wiped out Malaria by the early 70s and then it was banned due to pressure by environmentalists) http://www.21stcenturysciencetech.com/articles/summ02/DDT.html Satan replied. 10 “Have you not put a hedge around him and his household and everything he has? You have blessed the work of his hands, so that his flocks and herds are spread throughout the land. 11 But now stretch out your hand and strike everything he has, and he will surely curse you to your face.”12 The Lord said to Satan, “Very well, then, everything he has is in your power, but on the man himself do not lay a finger.” If someone has the power to keep one safe, but then explicitly allows another to kill those in his protection, our human laws say that's "Conspiracy to commit murder" You did not pull the trigger, but you conspired in their demise. Two things: First, it seems God is continually blamed here for all suffering and evil. The solution is that God should not allow it or he should stop it. It's all God's fault. The reason I posted the statistics was to confront us with what we are allowing to happen. Where is our outcry about children suffering and dying today? Is this all God's fault? I am outraged about the death of any innocent child, including the children god commanded tobe killed in the the bible. In other stories, god explicitly commanded nursing babies to be killed. Where is your outrage for them you hypocrite?? You're walking a slippery slope here IH. You seem to be standing on the killing of innocents as an absolute moral evil, yet you excuse your god for doing the very same thing. Additionally, to beat a dead horse, if god is all knowing and all powerful, then the answer to your question is yes, it is ALL god's fault. Absolutely everything is god's doing either directly or indirectly. He alone is responsible for evil if he made everything and is all knowing and all powerful. You are moving the goal post by trying to place the blame for the killing of innocents on people. We may bare responsibility to stop it; I agree we do. But If god exists, he does not escape responsibility simply becaue we have responsibility also. If you accept that god is all knowing and all powerful, IH, then there is absolutely no way around it. God created everything knowing it would go to shit and evil would arise. If he is all knowing/powerful and made everything, then it is logically inescapable that he directly, intentionally planned that all evil and suffering would occur. He knew it, had the ability to make it otherwise, and did not. He is responsible for all evil. If you assert that evil serves some good purpose, that is not logically necessary if god is all powerful and all knowing. He would know how to fulfill that same purpose without evil. You simply have no excuse for god. The murder god committed in the bible added to the claim he is all knowing, powerful, and loving does not add up. That is one of the moral contradictions that lead to my rejection of the bible as the word of some god. I know you are intelligent enough to understand this, IH. I think you are just so blinded by your wishful thinking that you unconsciously prevent yourself from recognizing it. No evidence exists for a god, so I don't believe in one. But if there is an all loving, powerful, knowing god, it certainly is not the bible god. Those characteristics contradict the character of bible god. If you think they are one and the same, then that claim is a contradictory load of shit. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moanareina Posted September 9, 2014 Share Posted September 9, 2014 Before the flood God did not give humans permission to eat meat. Also, animals did have an instinctive fear of man. After the flood, that changed: "And the fear of you and the dread of you shall be on every beast of the earth, on every bird of the air, on all that move on the earth, and on all the fish of the sea. They are given into your hand. Every moving thing that lives shall be food for you. I have given you all things, even as the green herbs." ~Genesis 9:1-3 After the flood because the earth needed to be repopulated with animals...makes sense to eat them instead... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mymistake Posted September 9, 2014 Share Posted September 9, 2014 Before the flood God did not give humans permission to eat meat. Also, animals did have an instinctive fear of man. After the flood, that changed: "And the fear of you and the dread of you shall be on every beast of the earth, on every bird of the air, on all that move on the earth, and on all the fish of the sea. They are given into your hand. Every moving thing that lives shall be food for you. I have given you all things, even as the green herbs." ~Genesis 9:1-3 After the flood because the earth needed to be repopulated with animals...makes sense to eat them instead... That must be what happened to the dinosaurs! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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