Faith, Logic, and Freedom

1 minute ago, Edgarcito said:

Least I'm not a quitter.  Hope everyone in your life understands.

Oh really? 

Hebrews

23 Let us hold fast the profession of our faith without wavering; (for he is faithful that promised;)

24 And let us consider one another to provoke unto love and to good works:

25 Not forsaking the assembling of ourselves together, as the manner of some is; but exhorting one another: and so much the more, as ye see the day approaching.

Looks like you quit to me Ed. 

I don't consider it quiting. I left an abusive relationship with an imaginary being. 

Thanks.

DB

1 minute ago, TheRedneckProfessor said:

Can you please show us the logical progression that Eve used in determining the eating the fruit was the "correct" conclusion?

Doesn't matter....you said logic was not absolute.  All she had to do was witness and act.

2 minutes ago, Edgarcito said:

Doesn't matter....you said logic was not absolute.  All she had to do was witness and act.

So, if you can't demonstrate the process of Eve's logic...

...do you 'know' that she used logic by using your faith?

Btw, do we have a deal?

We need more Good Christians around here.  This one's gone sour.

9 minutes ago, RankStranger said:

We need more Good Christians around here.  This one's gone sour.

I've been debating on whether or not to invite a preacher from my old church to come debate here. But in a lot of ways I think the road to deconversion is a road that has to be found. Not thrust upon you.

He told me to keep sending him things that disprove God. That he feels it strengthens his faith. There is a whole arsenal here. Thats why I'm debating it within myself. 

26 minutes ago, TheRedneckProfessor said:

This is a god damn joke.  It matters, Ed, because you made the claim that Eve employed logic in her decision to eat the fruit.  Now it is time for you to back that claim up by showing us the logic Eve employed.  Whether logic is an absolute or not has absolutely nothing to do with your claim or my request that you support your claim.  Whether Eve simply witnessed and acted does not have a god damn thing to do with your claim or my request.

 

You keep denigrating us because "oh, we know soooo much and are always correct because logic and intellect..." but then you spout off some completely enfuckinated claim about Eve using logic without even the least bit of support for it.  Because faith.  But it's our egos that are the problem here?  Find a mirror, there, sport.

Sure it does.  Logic can be reasoning viewed as valid or faulty.  Eve saw A, B, and C and reasoned it valid.

24 minutes ago, RankStranger said:

We need more Good Christians around here.  This one's gone sour.

I've always been sour...lol

3 minutes ago, TheRedneckProfessor said:

log·ic

/ˈläjik/

 

noun

1.

reasoning conducted or assessed according to strict principles of validity.

 

Please define the A,B, and C that Eve supposedly saw and state how she followed strict principles of validity to arrive at her conclusion.

Definition of logic

1a(1): a science that deals with the principles and criteria of validity of inference and demonstration : the science of the formal principles of reasoninga professor of logic

(2): a branch or variety of logicmodal logicBoolean logic

(3): a branch of semioticsespecially : SYNTACTICS

(4): the formal principles of a branch of knowledge the logic of grammar

b(1): a particular mode of reasoning viewed as valid or faulty She spent a long time explaining the situation, but he failed to see her logic.

1 minute ago, TheRedneckProfessor said:

Mad Googleing skills, bro.  Now answer the question. 

No, you're the logic expert.  You tell ME how reasoning is not an accepted def.

DB, the Bible says don't quit meeting together.  Why is that.

10 minutes ago, TheRedneckProfessor said:

 

Answer the question,  Ed.

No, that's a valid Merriam Webster definition.  I'm sticking with it.  Thanks.

10 minutes ago, TheRedneckProfessor said:

What in the god damn fuck dies it have ti do with Eve's use of logic?  You are deliberately attempting to obfuscate the issue currently under discussion,  because you don't have an answer but are too much of a liar to admit it. 

Logic/reasoning led her to the wrong decision.  Pretty simple.  Not the exact form of logic you use, but logic nonetheless.  What more do you want me to say. 

  2 hours ago, Edgarcito said:

Here's one I'd participate with you Walter if you would care to endeavor.

How about I do what you'd like if you'd do what I'd like and answer my three questions?

Deal?

Do we have a deal, Edgarcito?

We could take a break from logic and look at those questions if you'd like.

Thank you,

Walter.

59 minutes ago, Edgarcito said:

DB, the Bible says don't quit meeting together.  Why is that.

To exhort one another. Hold each other to good works. To hold fast the profession of your faith without wavering. 

What does it matter? The Bible says to do it. 

35 minutes ago, TheRedneckProfessor said:

What in the god damn fuck dies it have ti do with Eve's use of logic?  You are deliberately attempting to obfuscate the issue currently under discussion,  because you don't have an answer but are too much of a liar to admit it. 

This horse has been beaten beyond recognition lol. Anyone watching can see that Ed doesn't have a leg to stand on. He's just dodging and weaving. 

1 minute ago, DarkBishop said:

This horse has been beaten beyond recognition lol. Anyone watching can see that Ed doesn't have a leg to stand on. He's just dodging and weaving. 

No, logically, we wouldn't want to use the logic Eve used to get removed from the garden.  But for some reason, each of you still thinks logic is the way to go.  Logically, it's not.  <See Heb 11>

Why do you choose that.  Prof says so he can know now.

1 minute ago, DarkBishop said:

This horse has been beaten beyond recognition lol. Anyone watching can see that Ed doesn't have a leg to stand on. He's just dodging and weaving. 

I'm still prepared to have a constructive discussion with Edgarcito.

2 hours ago he indicated that he'd like to continue and there remains the possibility that he and I can make a deal.

I'm waiting on his reply.

6 minutes ago, walterpthefirst said:

 

I'm still prepared to have a constructive discussion with Edgarcito.

 

2 hours ago he indicated that he'd like to continue and there remains the possibility that he and I can make a deal.

 

I'm waiting on his reply.

I hope you can get some results. I feel like he's more trolling than anything else right now or he would make a sound argument. Instead. He skirts around questions. It takes a moderator freezing a thread he's in to get him moving forward. Its very tedious. But if he starts making a sound argument. Maybe we can get somewhere. 

26 minutes ago, Edgarcito said:

Logic/reasoning led her to the wrong decision.  Pretty simple.  Not the exact form of logic you use, but logic nonetheless.  What more do you want me to say. 

 

 

Yes the serpent had a logical argument that she followed. 

So am i to understand. That this is your way of proving that blind faith and obedience is better than following logic? Because Eve followed the serpents logic and it led to sin passing upon all man. 

Am I following you there?

DB