What Defines And Drives A Relationship

[BrotherJosh]

Bipolar is a multifaceted and complex disorder. Scientists believe genetics play a large role in the risk of developing bipolar disorder. One such study done in Germany and Switzerland believes they have made important strides in understanding the genetic component of bipolar. 

 

 

Three of these regions - ANK3, ODZ4 and TRANK1 - have been described in previous studies, although the researchers note that they were statistically better confirmed in this study.

 

But the other two risk regions - ADCY2 on chromosome five and so-called MIR2113-POU3F2 on chromosome six - were newly discovered.

 

The research team says the ADCY2 region is of particular interest, as it codes an enzyme that plays a part in sending signals to nerve cells.

 

"This fits very well with observations that the signal transfer in certain regions of the brain is impaired in patients with bipolar disorder," explains Dr. Nöthen.

 

The research team concludes that their findings - particularly the discovery of the ADCY2 risk region - provide new insight into the biological mechanisms involved in the development of bipolar disorder.

 

http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/273877.php

 

There is no single, magical "mechanism" it is a combination of a myriad of complex factors such as genetics, family history, environment, substance abuse etc...

 

In diagnosing bipolar it can be difficult to pin down as symptoms can present differently for different people. Defining characteristics a therapist or psychologist would look for would be: Family history, running labs and looking over medical history to see if it could be another illness, an assessment of the mood swings, looking at mood swing trends such as length and intensity, tracking behavior and monitoring manic episodes along with any associated triggers.

To meet the criteria spelled out in the DSM a person must meet the following and can be classified into Bipolar I, II or Cyclothymic. Manic episodes, depressive episodes, or a mixture of the two to varying degrees of intensity.

A manic episode is categorized by: Inflated self-esteem or grandiosity, decreased need for sleep (for example, you feel rested after only three hours of sleep), unusual talkativeness, racing thoughts, distractibility, increased goal-directed activity (either socially, at work or school, or sexually), doing things that have a high potential for painful consequences — for example, unrestrained buying sprees, sexual indiscretions or foolish business investments. The mood disturbance must be severe enough to cause noticeable difficulty at work, at school or in usual social activities or relationships; to require hospitalization to prevent harm to yourself or others; or to trigger a break from reality (psychosis). Symptoms do not meet the criteria for a mixed episode..

Symptoms are not due to the direct effects of something else such as alcohol or drug use, taking a medication, or a having a medical condition such as hyperthyroidism.

And there are further criteria for hypomanic and major depressive episodes. 

 

No nuance. No sin. No imagined "mechanism". No magical "brain scan". No "Grace". No "Love". Just the disorder, the diagnostic criteria, and a variety of treatment options. Scientific research continues to make inroads on understanding it from different angles such as genetics, hormones, brain structure and so on. 

[BrotherJosh]

That in order to validate their existence and shortcomings (sin), that we can either write rules for everyone to follow...like the Old Testament, or we could practice grace and love through a relationship? Sound familiar dumbass?

 

 

Ah, feel that Christian grace and love. I think your sin is showing, End. 

[Guest end3]

Bipolar is a multifaceted and complex disorder. Scientists believe genetics play a large role in the risk of developing bipolar disorder. One such study done in Germany and Switzerland believes they have made important strides in understanding the genetic component of bipolar. 

 

 

Three of these regions - ANK3, ODZ4 and TRANK1 - have been described in previous studies, although the researchers note that they were statistically better confirmed in this study.

 

But the other two risk regions - ADCY2 on chromosome five and so-called MIR2113-POU3F2 on chromosome six - were newly discovered.

 

The research team says the ADCY2 region is of particular interest, as it codes an enzyme that plays a part in sending signals to nerve cells.

 

"This fits very well with observations that the signal transfer in certain regions of the brain is impaired in patients with bipolar disorder," explains Dr. Nöthen.

 

The research team concludes that their findings - particularly the discovery of the ADCY2 risk region - provide new insight into the biological mechanisms involved in the development of bipolar disorder.

 

http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/273877.php

 

There is no single, magical "mechanism" it is a combination of a myriad of complex factors such as genetics, family history, environment, substance abuse etc...

 

In diagnosing bipolar it can be difficult to pin down as symptoms can present differently for different people. Defining characteristics a therapist or psychologist would look for would be: Family history, running labs and looking over medical history to see if it could be another illness, an assessment of the mood swings, looking at mood swing trends such as length and intensity, tracking behavior and monitoring manic episodes along with any associated triggers.

 

To meet the criteria spelled out in the DSM a person must meet the following and can be classified into Bipolar I, II or Cyclothymic. Manic episodes, depressive episodes, or a mixture of the two to varying degrees of intensity.

 

A manic episode is categorized by: Inflated self-esteem or grandiosity, decreased need for sleep (for example, you feel rested after only three hours of sleep), unusual talkativeness, racing thoughts, distractibility, increased goal-directed activity (either socially, at work or school, or sexually), doing things that have a high potential for painful consequences — for example, unrestrained buying sprees, sexual indiscretions or foolish business investments. The mood disturbance must be severe enough to cause noticeable difficulty at work, at school or in usual social activities or relationships; to require hospitalization to prevent harm to yourself or others; or to trigger a break from reality (psychosis). Symptoms do not meet the criteria for a mixed episode..

Symptoms are not due to the direct effects of something else such as alcohol or drug use, taking a medication, or a having a medical condition such as hyperthyroidism.

 

And there are further criteria for hypomanic and major depressive episodes. 

 

No nuance. No sin. No imagined "mechanism". No magical "brain scan". No "Grace". No "Love". Just the disorder, the diagnostic criteria, and a variety of treatment options. Scientific research continues to make inroads on understanding it from different angles such as genetics, hormones, brain structure and so on.

 

Bless you, so the question is, as I was proposing to Prof, why do we describe this level of "dysfunction" for lack of the appropriate word, as legitimate, but then couched as the word "sin" and it all the sudden becomes a discipline issue that is not legitimate? Granted there may be symptoms that are severe enough to interrupt society.....but less severe inappropriate behavior, mine for example, is within the realm of discipline and illegitimate? Given the many and same multi-faceted factors?

[Guest end3]

 

That in order to validate their existence and shortcomings (sin), that we can either write rules for everyone to follow...like the Old Testament, or we could practice grace and love through a relationship? Sound familiar dumbass?

 

Ah, feel that Christian grace and love. I think your sin is showing, End.

 

It's my forte..

[Roz]

 

We're all people, even ones with PHDs and/or MDs next to their name.

 

We have a lot of limitations.  If you really were a man who runs a lab, you'd know the scientific method is really just a method.

Did you ever consider the reason we would want to treat each other with grace is specifically because of what you have just written?

 

That in order to validate their existence and shortcomings (sin), that we can either write rules for everyone to follow...like the Old Testament, or we could practice grace and love through a relationship? Sound familiar dumbass?

 

 

 

I've said it time and again, you're the shining paragon of your god.  You're the one who most closely resembles his true nature.

The god of both the old and new testaments (remember, revelation's in the NT...) is all apparent in your actions.  Bravo.

 

EDIT:  Notice how he casually glosses over the many passages of this same god ordering genocide, child killings, child molestation, and slavery.  It's the same deity that ordered that as the one who said the words in Jn.  That's what the holy book of the christian says.  

 

This is christianity.  They want to present themselves in a good light, so they point to the good bits of the bible and say "look, it has a connection with reality!"  And then they completely passover (it fits here) the horrific bits, when it's their same god who also said those things.

[Roz]

And Vishnu bless this Den, for it's in this place that we see the true nature of christians come to light.

[mymistake]

 

We're all people, even ones with PHDs and/or MDs next to their name.

 

We have a lot of limitations.  If you really were a man who runs a lab, you'd know the scientific method is really just a method.

Did you ever consider the reason we would want to treat each other with grace is specifically because of what you have just written?

 

That in order to validate their existence and shortcomings (sin), that we can either write rules for everyone to follow...like the Old Testament, or we could practice grace and love through a relationship? Sound familiar dumbass?

 

 

 

Not grace.  Respect yes.  Courtesy yes.

 

Grace no.

 

Look, we don't have your religion.

[Guest end3]

 

 

We're all people, even ones with PHDs and/or MDs next to their name.

 

We have a lot of limitations.  If you really were a man who runs a lab, you'd know the scientific method is really just a method.

Did you ever consider the reason we would want to treat each other with grace is specifically because of what you have just written?

 

That in order to validate their existence and shortcomings (sin), that we can either write rules for everyone to follow...like the Old Testament, or we could practice grace and love through a relationship? Sound familiar dumbass?

 

 

 

Not grace.  Respect yes.  Courtesy yes.

 

Grace no.

 

Look, we don't have your religion.

 

semantics....there is no difference.

[BrotherJosh]

 

Bipolar is a multifaceted and complex disorder. Scientists believe genetics play a large role in the risk of developing bipolar disorder. One such study done in Germany and Switzerland believes they have made important strides in understanding the genetic component of bipolar. 

 

Three of these regions - ANK3, ODZ4 and TRANK1 - have been described in previous studies, although the researchers note that they were statistically better confirmed in this study.

 

But the other two risk regions - ADCY2 on chromosome five and so-called MIR2113-POU3F2 on chromosome six - were newly discovered.

 

The research team says the ADCY2 region is of particular interest, as it codes an enzyme that plays a part in sending signals to nerve cells.

 

"This fits very well with observations that the signal transfer in certain regions of the brain is impaired in patients with bipolar disorder," explains Dr. Nöthen.

 

The research team concludes that their findings - particularly the discovery of the ADCY2 risk region - provide new insight into the biological mechanisms involved in the development of bipolar disorder.

 

http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/273877.php

 

There is no single, magical "mechanism" it is a combination of a myriad of complex factors such as genetics, family history, environment, substance abuse etc...

 

In diagnosing bipolar it can be difficult to pin down as symptoms can present differently for different people. Defining characteristics a therapist or psychologist would look for would be: Family history, running labs and looking over medical history to see if it could be another illness, an assessment of the mood swings, looking at mood swing trends such as length and intensity, tracking behavior and monitoring manic episodes along with any associated triggers.

 

To meet the criteria spelled out in the DSM a person must meet the following and can be classified into Bipolar I, II or Cyclothymic. Manic episodes, depressive episodes, or a mixture of the two to varying degrees of intensity.

 

A manic episode is categorized by: Inflated self-esteem or grandiosity, decreased need for sleep (for example, you feel rested after only three hours of sleep), unusual talkativeness, racing thoughts, distractibility, increased goal-directed activity (either socially, at work or school, or sexually), doing things that have a high potential for painful consequences — for example, unrestrained buying sprees, sexual indiscretions or foolish business investments. The mood disturbance must be severe enough to cause noticeable difficulty at work, at school or in usual social activities or relationships; to require hospitalization to prevent harm to yourself or others; or to trigger a break from reality (psychosis). Symptoms do not meet the criteria for a mixed episode..

Symptoms are not due to the direct effects of something else such as alcohol or drug use, taking a medication, or a having a medical condition such as hyperthyroidism.

 

And there are further criteria for hypomanic and major depressive episodes. 

 

No nuance. No sin. No imagined "mechanism". No magical "brain scan". No "Grace". No "Love". Just the disorder, the diagnostic criteria, and a variety of treatment options. Scientific research continues to make inroads on understanding it from different angles such as genetics, hormones, brain structure and so on.

 

Bless you, so the question is, as I was proposing to Prof, why do we describe this level of "dysfunction" for lack of the appropriate word, as legitimate, but then couched as the word "sin" and it all the sudden becomes a discipline issue that is not legitimate? Granted there may be symptoms that are severe enough to interrupt society.....but less severe inappropriate behavior, mine for example, is within the realm of discipline and illegitimate? Given the many and same multi-faceted factors?

 

 

In describing or evaluating the symptoms we would have to look at how it affects the client's functionality or autonomy. Symptoms may be so severe that they make it impossible for someone to live a "normal" life. In the case of bipolar it may cause financial or personal problems such as a failing marriage. Or it can be more severe and the person enters manic episodes of pure psychosis and faces legal issues. Diagnosing and categorizing bipolar isn't discipline or punishing someone. It's not about whether the behavior is legitimate but if it creates harm for the client. For example, a client who is bipolar may not be able to hold down a job and self-medicates with alcohol. It's not about legitimacy or inappropriate but about the well-being of the client. Client centered therapy, taking a holistic, integrated view of treatment means evaluating the client from a variety of perspectives. Mentally, these disorders can be broken down into various criteria, which is especially important when billing insurance. 

[florduh]

The men who wrote the Bible say that men have two arms and two legs. Men actually DO have two arms and two legs; therefore the Bible is the Word of God!

 

Got it, dumbass?

 

(See, the Den was the right place for this all along. I hope some lurkers can learn a lesson from reading it.)

[Guest end3]

 

 

Bipolar is a multifaceted and complex disorder. Scientists believe genetics play a large role in the risk of developing bipolar disorder. One such study done in Germany and Switzerland believes they have made important strides in understanding the genetic component of bipolar. 

 

 

 

Three of these regions - ANK3, ODZ4 and TRANK1 - have been described in previous studies, although the researchers note that they were statistically better confirmed in this study.

 

But the other two risk regions - ADCY2 on chromosome five and so-called MIR2113-POU3F2 on chromosome six - were newly discovered.

 

The research team says the ADCY2 region is of particular interest, as it codes an enzyme that plays a part in sending signals to nerve cells.

 

"This fits very well with observations that the signal transfer in certain regions of the brain is impaired in patients with bipolar disorder," explains Dr. Nöthen.

 

The research team concludes that their findings - particularly the discovery of the ADCY2 risk region - provide new insight into the biological mechanisms involved in the development of bipolar disorder.

 

http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/273877.php

 

There is no single, magical "mechanism" it is a combination of a myriad of complex factors such as genetics, family history, environment, substance abuse etc...

 

In diagnosing bipolar it can be difficult to pin down as symptoms can present differently for different people. Defining characteristics a therapist or psychologist would look for would be: Family history, running labs and looking over medical history to see if it could be another illness, an assessment of the mood swings, looking at mood swing trends such as length and intensity, tracking behavior and monitoring manic episodes along with any associated triggers.

 

To meet the criteria spelled out in the DSM a person must meet the following and can be classified into Bipolar I, II or Cyclothymic. Manic episodes, depressive episodes, or a mixture of the two to varying degrees of intensity.

 

A manic episode is categorized by: Inflated self-esteem or grandiosity, decreased need for sleep (for example, you feel rested after only three hours of sleep), unusual talkativeness, racing thoughts, distractibility, increased goal-directed activity (either socially, at work or school, or sexually), doing things that have a high potential for painful consequences — for example, unrestrained buying sprees, sexual indiscretions or foolish business investments. The mood disturbance must be severe enough to cause noticeable difficulty at work, at school or in usual social activities or relationships; to require hospitalization to prevent harm to yourself or others; or to trigger a break from reality (psychosis). Symptoms do not meet the criteria for a mixed episode..

Symptoms are not due to the direct effects of something else such as alcohol or drug use, taking a medication, or a having a medical condition such as hyperthyroidism.

 

And there are further criteria for hypomanic and major depressive episodes. 

 

No nuance. No sin. No imagined "mechanism". No magical "brain scan". No "Grace". No "Love". Just the disorder, the diagnostic criteria, and a variety of treatment options. Scientific research continues to make inroads on understanding it from different angles such as genetics, hormones, brain structure and so on.

 

Bless you, so the question is, as I was proposing to Prof, why do we describe this level of "dysfunction" for lack of the appropriate word, as legitimate, but then couched as the word "sin" and it all the sudden becomes a discipline issue that is not legitimate? Granted there may be symptoms that are severe enough to interrupt society.....but less severe inappropriate behavior, mine for example, is within the realm of discipline and illegitimate? Given the many and same multi-faceted factors?

 

 

In describing or evaluating the symptoms we would have to look at how it affects the client's functionality or autonomy. Symptoms may be so severe that they make it impossible for someone to live a "normal" life. In the case of bipolar it may cause financial or personal problems such as a failing marriage. Or it can be more severe and the person enters manic episodes of pure psychosis and faces legal issues. Diagnosing and categorizing bipolar isn't discipline or punishing someone. It's not about whether the behavior is legitimate but if it creates harm for the client. For example, a client who is bipolar may not be able to hold down a job and self-medicates with alcohol. It's not about legitimacy or inappropriate but about the well-being of the client. Client centered therapy, taking a holistic, integrated view of treatment means evaluating the client from a variety of perspectives. Mentally, these disorders can be broken down into various criteria, which is especially important when billing insurance.

 

Excellent, thank you.

[Guest end3]

The men who wrote the Bible say that men have two arms and two legs. Men actually DO have two arms and two legs; therefore the Bible is the Word of God!

 

Got it, dumbass?

 

(See, the Den was the right place for this all along. I hope some lurkers can learn a lesson from reading it.)

I have an illegitimate mental disorder.....not sanctioned by the AMA. Right now it's still tax free.

[ironhorse]

The men who wrote the Bible say that men have two arms and two legs. Men actually DO have two arms and two legs; therefore the Bible is the Word of God!

 

Got it, dumbass?

 

(See, the Den was the right place for this all along. I hope some lurkers can learn a lesson from reading it.)

 

 

I agree. I am praying the lurkers are reading these posts.

[bornagainathiest]

 

The men who wrote the Bible say that men have two arms and two legs. Men actually DO have two arms and two legs; therefore the Bible is the Word of God!

 

Got it, dumbass?

 

(See, the Den was the right place for this all along. I hope some lurkers can learn a lesson from reading it.)

 

 

I agree. I am praying the lurkers are reading these posts.

 

 

The lurkers don't need the prayers of a promise-breaking, untrustworthy troll like you, Ironhorse.

[mymistake]

 

 

 

We're all people, even ones with PHDs and/or MDs next to their name.

 

We have a lot of limitations.  If you really were a man who runs a lab, you'd know the scientific method is really just a method.

Did you ever consider the reason we would want to treat each other with grace is specifically because of what you have just written?

 

That in order to validate their existence and shortcomings (sin), that we can either write rules for everyone to follow...like the Old Testament, or we could practice grace and love through a relationship? Sound familiar dumbass?

 

 

 

Not grace.  Respect yes.  Courtesy yes.

 

Grace no.

 

Look, we don't have your religion.

 

semantics....there is no difference.

 

 

False

[mymistake]

 

The men who wrote the Bible say that men have two arms and two legs. Men actually DO have two arms and two legs; therefore the Bible is the Word of God!

 

Got it, dumbass?

 

(See, the Den was the right place for this all along. I hope some lurkers can learn a lesson from reading it.)

I have an illegitimate mental disorder.....not sanctioned by the AMA. Right now it's still tax free.

 

 

 

End if that is the problem then why don't you come to us with that honestly and openly?  In the past we have supported you when you needed us.

 

Busting our balls over things that didn't happen tends to annoy us.  Generally rude behavior pisses us off.

[mydisplayname]

 

The men who wrote the Bible say that men have two arms and two legs. Men actually DO have two arms and two legs; therefore the Bible is the Word of God!

 

Got it, dumbass?

 

(See, the Den was the right place for this all along. I hope some lurkers can learn a lesson from reading it.)

 

 

I agree. I am praying the lurkers are reading these posts.

 

 

To which god will you be praying?

1. The one that set up rules for slavery?
2. The one that allows women to be taken as spoils of war to be raped? (Forced marriage if you prefer)
3. The one that created a hell (he created everything right?) in which he will be sending me when I die simply because I don't believe in his existence. Where I will be tortured for eternity whilst my christian wife is in heaven watching? I hope it doesn't take anything away from the bliss she will be experiencing in heaven.

In case you feel these old testament rules doesn't apply anymore go read Luke 16:17

 

If your god is real then he isn't a moral god. I would not serve such a being.

[bornagainathiest]

 

The men who wrote the Bible say that men have two arms and two legs. Men actually DO have two arms and two legs; therefore the Bible is the Word of God!

 

Got it, dumbass?

 

(See, the Den was the right place for this all along. I hope some lurkers can learn a lesson from reading it.)

 

 

I agree. I am praying the lurkers are reading these posts.

 

 

Since you're so concerned about the lurkers Ironhorse, no doubt you'll want them to know the truth about you?

 

That you can't be trusted, that you break your promises and that you've had a thread shut down for trolling, right?

 

So, here's your chance to fess up to these things.

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The lurkers will now want to see how much this Christian loves the truth!

[FreeThinkerNZ]

The lurkers must just be shaking their heads at these two clowns.

[gall]

 

To be brutally honest, it's not that End3 can't construct logical arguments.  I submit that he can, and he's demonstrated that on other threads where religion's not concerned.  I actually agreed with him a few times and you know he and I don't get along.

 

It's the christian religion that's illogical to begin with.

 

You know that parable about building a house on sand vs. foundation?  We've proven time and again that christianity's worse than sand, and yet the christians continually use it.  Why?  The alternative is the 'red-pill.'

This illustrates the point I am trying to make very well. If we can't sacrifice to move off of our personal positions, that is, commune, and know, and have a relationship with the other, then the thread will be locked, figurative "death". If we take the time to HEAR the other through paining ourselves. then we might understand each other more....which is life. No one wants isolation. This site proves it.

 

And it's described in John 17 in my opinion. If this thread moves any further, great. If not, it pretty much makes the case in my mind.

 

 

you never move off of your personal position so you are asking of others what you yourself deny them...

 

You can have whatever you want in your own mind but don't think for one second that makes up the mind of others becaus you "will" it. You don't listen any better than anyone else here and it seems all the threads you start head down this same hill eventually... How many pages of this are needed to satisfy you? You are only doing this for you stop acting like it is for the greater good or the group.

[gall]

 

 

 

We're all people, even ones with PHDs and/or MDs next to their name.

 

We have a lot of limitations.  If you really were a man who runs a lab, you'd know the scientific method is really just a method.

Did you ever consider the reason we would want to treat each other with grace is specifically because of what you have just written?

 

That in order to validate their existence and shortcomings (sin), that we can either write rules for everyone to follow...like the Old Testament, or we could practice grace and love through a relationship? Sound familiar dumbass?

 

 

 

Not grace.  Respect yes.  Courtesy yes.

 

Grace no.

 

Look, we don't have your religion.

 

semantics....there is no difference.

 

There is in fact a difference. It is called other peoples opinions something you don't get to decide for them. There is nothing semantical about not agreeing with your malformed arguments.

[Fweethawt]

Let's get down to business.

I don't got no time to play around.

What is this?

Must be a circus in town.

Lets shut this shit down

On these clowns.

Can I get a witness?

 

-- Eminem

[duderonomy]

End3,  is there a CT scan or an X-Ray or a blood test that can show grace or love or hope or faith?

 

How can one quantify these things? There must be something that shows that a Christian isn't just another mortal human, no different than a deluded man who thinks he's General George Washington.  The Christian is to judge others' Christianity. A Christian must know when someone is not a Christian so as not to wish him God Speed. A Christian is to work out his own salvation with fear and trembling.

How can a Christian do these things? There must be a test! Quantify, man, quantify!  

[midniterider]

End3,  is there a CT scan or an X-Ray or a blood test that can show grace or love or hope or faith?

 

How can one quantify these things? There must be something that shows that a Christian isn't just another mortal human, no different than a deluded man who thinks he's General George Washington.  The Christian is to judge others' Christianity. A Christian must know when someone is not a Christian so as not to wish him God Speed. A Christian is to work out his own salvation with fear and trembling.

How can a Christian do these things? There must be a test! Quantify, man, quantify!  

 

One might try to equate the non-material aspect of mental illness to the non-material aspect of Jesus, but legitimacy of mental illness has been witnessed by human beings. People with mental illness manifest behavioral problems in the material world. Jesus, on the other hand never manifests anything in the material world (you know, like himself), so his legitmacy is suspect.

 

A Christian might say that Jesus manifests himself (via) certain behaviors of human beings ... look at all those Christians and their churches.

 

But the Flying Spaghetti Monster might also be manifesting certain behaviors of human beings.... Maybe Xenu of Scientology is running my life, I don't know.

 

If Jesus might be real, so might all these other gods that nobody believes in.

[Guest end3]

End3,  is there a CT scan or an X-Ray or a blood test that can show grace or love or hope or faith?

 

How can one quantify these things? There must be something that shows that a Christian isn't just another mortal human, no different than a deluded man who thinks he's General George Washington.  The Christian is to judge others' Christianity. A Christian must know when someone is not a Christian so as not to wish him God Speed. A Christian is to work out his own salvation with fear and trembling.

How can a Christian do these things? There must be a test! Quantify, man, quantify!

I already told y'all I was illegitimate... <earches lab for illegitimate test method>