Gina Carano Fired from Star Wars: The Mandalorian

[LogicalFallacy]

Gina Carano fired from The Mandalorian over 'abhorrent and unacceptable' social media posts | Stuff.co.nz

 

I probably disagree with her opinions on a lot of stuff but I'm not sure if this post should be a fireable offense:

 

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"Jews were beaten in the streets, not by Nazi soldiers but by their neighbours . . . even by children. Because history is edited, most people today don't realise that to get to the point where Nazi soldiers could easily round up thousands of Jews, the government first made their own neighbours hate them simply for being Jews," Carano wrote on her Instagram story on Tuesday. "How is that any different from hating someone for their political views?"

 

I'm not sure what other posts she had, but apparently she was fired for making denigrating  cultural and religious remarks which the above doesn't appear to be. Now I'm a bleeding heart lefty, but even if you don't agree with the above should you be fired for it?

 

Thoughts?

[♦ Fuego ♦]

Taken just as that comment, I agree with her. But what she interprets as "hate" feels like how Christians interpret things as persecution when they just don't get their way. She is an ardent supporter of Trump. And after the last 4 years of her ilk saying "fuck your feelings" and bulldozing their way over every sensibility, environmental law, and complete disregard for anyone who isn't white and rich, I'm over their whining. 

[☆ DarkBishop ☆]

2 hours ago, LogicalFallacy said:

Gina Carano fired from The Mandalorian over 'abhorrent and unacceptable' social media posts | Stuff.co.nz

 

I probably disagree with her opinions on a lot of stuff but I'm not sure if this post should be a fireable offense:

 

 

I'm not sure what other posts she had, but apparently she was fired for making denigrating  cultural and religious remarks which the above doesn't appear to be. Now I'm a bleeding heart lefty, but even if you don't agree with the above should you be fired for it?

 

Thoughts?

 

Honestly I think freedom of speech is a right that should be protected. Someone shouldn't be fired for their political or even religious views for that matter. As long as they aren't inciting violence. I know how heated political discussions can be in this group so I will refrain from voicing my views at this time. 

[LogicalFallacy]

2 hours ago, DarkBishop said:

 

Honestly I think freedom of speech is a right that should be protected. Someone shouldn't be fired for their political or even religious views for that matter. As long as they aren't inciting violence. I know how heated political discussions can be in this group so I will refrain from voicing my views at this time. 

 

This isn't about freedom of speech.

 

Freedom of speech is about the freedom to speak out against the Government, or in your own home. An employer is also free to disassociate themselves (Fire) a person if the employee publicly voices views the employer may consider damaging to the brand.

 

My question is, is the line they drew for Gina fair, or unfair? Also where are the denigrating posts, because all she's done there is drawn a comparison between Jew's, Nazis and people being punished for their views without actually stating some horrific view to my knowledge. Possibly she has made posts against various groups in the past? If she has she's being hypocritical. 

 

Also I'm not talking politics, I'm talking about views people have whether they be political, moral, societal etc and at what line should employers draw lines? I refer to the case in Australian with the rugby player fired for making remarks about various people going to hell, though only the gay part was picked up. Never mind the poor bleeding atheists that were also going to hell.

[☆ DarkBishop ☆]

9 minutes ago, LogicalFallacy said:

 

This isn't about freedom of speech

 

You may not consider it freedom of speech but I do. I'm merican remember? And I dont really give a damn what she said. She shouldn't have been fired for it. Employers shouldn't be allowed to fire someone for speaking out.  It is a right not a privilege. So no I don't believe she was treated fairly. I supported the football players kneeling at the anthem and I support her. 

[LogicalFallacy]

1 hour ago, DarkBishop said:

 

You may not consider it freedom of speech but I do. I'm merican remember? And I dont really give a damn what she said. She shouldn't have been fired for it. Employers shouldn't be allowed to fire someone for speaking out.  It is a right not a privilege. So no I don't believe she was treated fairly. I supported the football players kneeling at the anthem and I support her. 

 

So what if you are a business owner and your employee is spouting some quite horrific views on, say, homosexuals? In America, depending on location, that might not make a big impact on whether people support your business. In countries like ours that can mean mass boycot of your business. The employees public views directly associated with your business is basically killing your company. You don't think you or I as a business owner should have the right to fire such employees to protect my business and my other employees? And isn't firing someone a form of speech? The employer is very loudly saying "hey I disagree with my employee and want no part of her"

 

Ultimately I think we agree that firing her was unfair in this case, but we are coming at it from different standpoints. I'm saying the bar was too low in this case, you are saying there shouldn't be a bar, people can say what they want, hence my question above. 

[☆ DarkBishop ☆]

I see your point. But yes again in this particular circumstance it sounds like she was treated unfairly. It may have just been an excuse to dismiss her for some other reason. 

 

 

 

[LogicalFallacy]

21 minutes ago, DarkBishop said:

I see your point. But yes again in this particular circumstance it sounds like she was treated unfairly. It may have just been an excuse to dismiss her for some other reason. 

 

 

 

 

Could be. I feel there is more to it. Need evidence to back up my feelings though. 

[Joshpantera]

15 hours ago, LogicalFallacy said:

Gina Carano fired from The Mandalorian over 'abhorrent and unacceptable' social media posts | Stuff.co.nz

 

I probably disagree with her opinions on a lot of stuff but I'm not sure if this post should be a fireable offense:

 

 

I'm not sure what other posts she had, but apparently she was fired for making denigrating  cultural and religious remarks which the above doesn't appear to be. Now I'm a bleeding heart lefty, but even if you don't agree with the above should you be fired for it?

 

Thoughts?

 

So she makes the point that in the past governments influenced people to hate certain citizens. And then paved the way for the military to come along and round them up, even commit genocide. The point being right now government officials and media ilk in the US are disparaging those who disagree with them and basically encouraging that they be censored, deleted from social media, and so on. And she concludes that this is similar to what started out in Nazi Germany. 

 

Solution? 

 

Fire her and prove her point in the process????

[TheRedneckProfessor]

12 minutes ago, Joshpantera said:

Solution? 

 

Fire her and prove her point in the process????

That's not the Final Solution, though.

 

 

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Too soon?

[TABA]

It seems to only be a problem when somebody on the right makes a comparison to Nazi Germany.  Dog knows those comparisons have been rampant during the past four years. 

 

Disney does have a right to fire somebody for their views.  It’s not something that should be done lightly.  But when you’ve got a Twitter mob on the case - often including “journalists” - backbones are in short supply.  Failure to stand up makes these firings / cancellations reach new heights of absurdity with every week that passes.  I have to hope that this wave of hysteria will eventually pass, but I fear it won’t be anytime soon.

  

What strikes me is the flaming hypocrisy of corporations like Disney - and the NBA, which boycotted North Carolina over bathrooms, but has no word of reproach for China, where it makes millions.

[mwc]

     She's been going on like this for some time.  She's been anti-vax along with the whole stolen election nonsense.  All the crazy conspiracy shit.  She's had the support of her co-stars and the show runners over the whole time.  She appeared lined up to be involved with their new Rangers of the New Republic show.  Word was she asked to dial it back on the rhetoric since it wasn't reflecting well on Disney or the franchise and, long story short, this was the straw that broke the camel's back.  She made the fully informed choice to make some posts to social media over her career.

 

     This is a case of she made her bed and now she has to lay in it.  If the folks who simply want to see this as another example of "cancel culture" want to turn her into another of their martyrs then so be it.  I'm sure I'll enjoy reading their 'Fox (News) Book Of Martyrs' during the great persecution at some point in the future.

 

          mwc

 

[TABA]

One thing is sure: social media -and especially Twitter - have given everybody a platform, a public voice.  Knowing when to say nothing is an important skill that is in very short supply these days. 

[TheRedneckProfessor]

11 minutes ago, TABA said:

One thing is sure: social media -and especially Twitter - have given everybody a platform, a public voice.  Knowing when to say nothing is an important skill that is in very short supply these days. 

True.  Of all the things I've said over the years, nothing is often the most profound.

[☆ DarkBishop ☆]

This situation has been repeated over and over. Its always the right wingers that get fired and silenced. And it is directly because of the left wing media blowing it up. Apparently if you are a celebrity in this country you can either be a left wing activist or silent. This is going against our freedom of speech. It is not setting a good precedent. 

 

Maybe I'm wrong but I can't think of anyone who has been fired for arguing for the left. Do any of you have any examples? 

[mwc]

     I wonder why this is?

 

     It can't be because of the anti-vax association.  The association with neo-nazi's and others while claiming to be akin to Jews in the Holocaust.  The COVID denial.  The association, and defense, with those who stormed the Capitol (until they failed).  The association with the on-going spread of conspiracy theories as well as other misinformation (almost too numerous to keep track of).

 

     It's a real poser.  Why people from this particular group?  I'm sure if we think on it we can make up a reason.

 

          mwc

 

[☆ DarkBishop ☆]

Its not productive to lump all right wing supporters in with racists, conspiracy theorists, etc. Just as it isn't productive to lump all left wingers in the group of baby killing, communist and/or socialist, rioters etc. This is exactly why we are in the predicament we are in. We are constantly at each others throats. 

 

The only true anti Vaxer I've ever known was far left. The only vaccine I see the right not wanting to take is the covid vaccine. I'm hoping as more and more people are vaccinated without any adverse effects that those skeptical of it will become more comfortable and take it. Its really a non issue now because there aren't enough vaccines to vaccinate those that are fearful of it anyway. 

 

What America needs are politicians that want to unite everyone. Thats probably not going to happen until all the baby boomers on both side of the isle either die off or retire. I'm hoping as a younger generation takes the reigns that we will see more bipartisanship in politics. 

 

A good first step in the right direction would be to stop trying to censor everyone that doesn't agree with left wing politics. That will only make things worse. I doubt ms. Carano was inciting violence was she? If not then she shouldn't have been fired. If they start silencing all right wing activists, then they are backed into a corner. The capital incident was the extreme right (which I will not defend, I'm right leaning libertarian. I dont agree with what happened at the capital) but it is probably only the start if they keep vilifying and censoring EVERYONE on the right. They see censorship as a direct attack on their rights.

 

Those people stormed the capital because they were mislead and thought that the election was rigged. I agree, mislead by un proven information. If it had been left wingers spreading the same misinformation on a trump win, then they may have done the same. And it would have been just as shameful but probably with less reproach from the media. I don't doubt that the left would have launched just as aggressive attacks on the validity of the election as trump did. ..... Well maybe not quite as aggressive . Trumps actions after his loss were infantile. He lost my support along with many more I'm sure. 

 

 

[florduh]

54 minutes ago, DarkBishop said:

Its not productive to lump all right wing supporters in with racists, conspiracy theorists, etc.

The "right wing" is characterized today by Trumpism, not conservative or Republican values. There are still conservatives, I suppose, who have not followed the pied piper into crazy world. Trumpism is absolutely in cahoots with a base of racists, conspiracy nuts - and that's rather easy to verify if you have the inclination. That said, I am not a Democrat and I wish we still had a viable Republican Party unblemished by Proud Boys, QAnon and self described Nazis to temper some of the excesses of the current left wing.

[Joshpantera]

5 hours ago, mwc said:

She's been going on like this for some time.  She's been anti-vax along with the whole stolen election nonsense.  All the crazy conspiracy shit.  She's had the support of her co-stars and the show runners over the whole time.  She appeared lined up to be involved with their new Rangers of the New Republic show.  Word was she asked to dial it back on the rhetoric since it wasn't reflecting well on Disney or the franchise and, long story short, this was the straw that broke the camel's back.  She made the fully informed choice to make some posts to social media over her career.

 

What's odd about all of this is imagine the person is a mormon, for instance. We may all agree that the beliefs are weird, not even christian, total bullshit, etc.,etc. And be in complete agreement about how weird the mormon is, due to what they believe. 

 

Then look at a scenario where a corporation fires the mormon actor or actress for talking crazy on their own time, on social media. Let's say talking about things they believe in but the rest of think are absolute nonsense. 

 

That would be a hell of a discrimination case, wouldn't it? 

 

Firing someone for speaking about what they believe in, regardless of how idiotic the beliefs? 

 

I don't see how anti-vax is any more insane than believing that we go off to alien planets to become "gods." 

 

Even a mainstream example. Believing that a god came down to earth to sacrifice himself to himself is about as bat shit crazy and fucking stupid a belief as any other. Imagine firing someone on the grounds that they believe the jesus myth is true. And speaking about how they belief the myth. Firing them. 

 

This is what's bizarre about the cancel culture stuff. It's the same as any other case of belief based discrimination that we can make examples of. I don't like what someone else believes, so I'll rally to have it cancelled. 

[Joshpantera]

The whole cancel culture thing sees so much more Russian or German in scope then American. The point seems to hold up as true enough....

[florduh]

1 hour ago, Joshpantera said:

I don't see how anti-vax is any more insane than believing that we go off to alien planets to become "gods." 

 

Not more insane, but magnitudes more dangerous to the innocent bystanders who will be damaged by insufficient vaccination of the population. 

[TABA]

[florduh]

20 hours ago, DarkBishop said:

Employers shouldn't be allowed to fire someone for speaking out.

And where did the freedom for employers go? I tend to agree with you about arbitrarily firing someone you disagree with, and jobs are protected for reason of ethnicity and religion, but people who are the public face of a company must not present a liability for their employer. Anyway, right or wrong, the frequent references we see to "freedom of speech" legally applies only to government policy, not private employers.

[♦ Fuego ♦]

I tend to agree that the cancel culture is getting out of hand. We need to hear other views, even if they are weird. When they are advocating violence against certain people, then that is rightfully shut down. The problem with the Internet forums and places like YouTube is that they are owned by companies and have terms and conditions, with their own hammer poised over anything they don't like, period. I had two channels I watch shut down in the last couple of weeks for "promoting dangerous drugs". They were not, but YouTube/Google does whatever they want. It's their playground and their rules. 

 

Disney wants to avoid losing money. Anything that looks like it has potential to cause them bad press gets the hammer. They likely have that written into every contract. Firing Carano will bring them less bad press and financial impact than boycotts (cancel culture) over political statements. TABA's post about them and China is true, and it is true for several American companies. Much of our manufactured goods come from slave labor or nearly slave labor in China. Slaves have always been good for business, which is why we had a civil war over the financial impact of stopping slavery. If businesses started getting continuous bad press and boycotts over doing business in China, that would force a change (probably to India). 

 

[☆ DarkBishop ☆]

2 hours ago, Fuego said:

If businesses started getting continuous bad press and boycotts over doing business in China, that would force a change (probably to India). 

 

Yeah won't be much of a change. Companies are all about the bottom dollar. The Bible had a little nugget of wisdom when it said "the love of money was the root of all evil". I guess this kind of thing has been going on for a very long time.