Challenge for Christians - GO and preach!

[Asimov]

Ok, how about the thread title "Go and preach". Sound like telling someone what to do?

 

You don't have to do anything. Its actually fine with me if you sit on the couch. My point is its ironic someone critizes other people for failing to do something they can't fulfill themselves.

 

Interesting switch on the subject matter. You were talking about beliefs, then you switched to us telling you what to do?

 

Your point is irrelevant if you can't even stick to the same word.

 

If everyone has beliefs, then why aren't we hearing any here? Are people afraid of the same kind of testing to their worldviews? I'm just inviting people to put up what they see as so much more convincing and persuasive.

 

You hear them on here all the time, maybe you should get your head out of your ass and look around a bit.

[spumoni]

Ok, how about the thread title "Go and preach". Sound like telling someone what to do?

 

You don't have to do anything. Its actually fine with me if you sit on the couch. My point is its ironic someone critizes other people for failing to do something they can't fulfill themselves.

 

Interesting switch on the subject matter. You were talking about beliefs, then you switched to us telling you what to do?

 

Your point is irrelevant if you can't even stick to the same word.

 

If everyone has beliefs, then why aren't we hearing any here? Are people afraid of the same kind of testing to their worldviews? I'm just inviting people to put up what they see as so much more convincing and persuasive.

 

You hear them on here all the time, maybe you should get your head out of your ass and look around a bit.

 

Now who's changing the subject? Telling someone else what they are supposed to believe and do is the same thing as telling them what to do. Make the connection.

[Asimov]

Now who's changing the subject? Telling someone else what they are supposed to believe and do is the same thing as telling them what to do. Make the connection.

 

 

There you go making absolutely no sense. A belief is not an action.

 

Telling someone what to believe is different from telling someone what to do.

[Vigile]

What point are you trying to make here? Are you saying fundamentalist churches are the phenomenon that is restricted to the U. S.? That wasn't what I got from your post. It seemed you were lumping all of Christianity into that category. If you mean fundamentalism, then you may be right. But I don't think that is a very large percentage of the Christian churches in America.

 

Yes, the brand of fundemental christianity most commonly found in the states. The percentage varies depending on the geographic area you are considering. The bible belt is pretty heavily flooded with fundies. Idaho, where I was raised, is pretty heavily protestant fundy and Mormon fundy. The rest of the western world does not tend to wear their religion on their sleeve the way many Americans are prone to do. This topic it occurs to me has been overdone here. I was just repsonding to your charge of ethnocentrism. Who gives a fuck?

 

Again, its funny how you seem to presume to know my life or anything God has called me to .. Frankly I could care less what you think of my evangelistic efforts. I know I'm being obedient to God and I don't have to prove myself to you.

 

Fine, you're not a fundy, this thread is not for you. Move on now.

 

Coincidentally, one of my close friends just accepted Christ. Guess I'm totally wasting away here not evangelizing or anything.

 

With friends like you she doesn't need any enemies. Kudos.

 

The real irony is the ethnocentric, myopic view of evangelism you are critiqueing. Thats what I find funny.

 

Again with the unsubstantiated charges. Pfft... Why bother, I'm tired of going tit for tat with you. You're boring.

 

 

You don't even realize the world has changed so dramatically those categories don't even apply any more.

 

Huh?

 

I don't know about you guys, but aside from his overuse of big words to make him sound smart, spumoni seems to say a whole shitload of nothing.

 

Yeah, that's why I'm growing tired of responding to him. He bores me.

 

Now who's changing the subject? Telling someone else what they are supposed to believe and do is the same thing as telling them what to do. Make the connection.

 

 

There you go making absolutely no sense. A belief is not an action.

 

Telling someone what to believe is different from telling someone what to do.

 

He's one of those guys who creates controversy where there is none and then goes around patting himself on the back thinking how stupid everyone else is and how brilliant he himself is. Reminds me of SSEL. What's wierd is he doesn't understand that he is making no sense.

[Mr. Neil]

Let me think about that one for a minute. You like to tell people what they are supposed to believe? Right. Isn't this the same thing you accuse Christians of?

No, stupid. Stop projecting your theology onto us. I'm not telling you what to believe. I'm simply pointing out that you don't follow the religion you claim to follow. You can do whatever you like, for all I care.

 

My point is you still haven't said anything you are willing to spend yourself for. You are resigned to break down others and their pursuit of what they believe to be right. What do you believe? What are you doing with it? Should I worry about the criticisms of someone who has no beliefs?

You. Pot. Kettle. Black.

 

Is criticism not a nobel persuit in its own right? I think it is. As far as "spending my life", I do indeed spend several hours of my life, that I could be doing other things, arguing with idiots like you, trying to make a difference in public opinion about civil rights, education, and morality.

 

It's not so much what I believe that I take pride in, but how I attain my beliefs. I know why I differentiate acts of right and wrong. I know why I accept some claims and deny others.

 

Intellectual exchange IS my arena of choice, and FUCK you for trying to undermine that.

[Guest AgnosticMike]

I no longer hate "lukewarm Christians".  What I despise is HYPOCRISY.

 

TAP, D_C, Jay, and Aaryn, I'm not trying to get people to go on a suicide mission.  I'm TRYING to point out the ludicrousness of the Xian Hypocrite's position.

 

To the hypocrite I shout, "Don't you DARE preach to ME, what YOU aren't willing to do!"

 

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Lukewarm Christians and Hypocrisy are synonymous.

 

You seem to think that in order to preach the "Good news" it is necessary to go into other countries. I would suggest that America is in just as much need of evangelism as other countries. It IS possible to be a witness in your home country.

 

Jesus himself hated hypocrites. Witness the whole Jesus-and-the-tax-collectors-in-the-temple story.

 

I think that evengelism in the first place has casued a lot of the Us's problems as it has in Australia. Check this article on Societies worse off 'when they have God on their side' http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2-1798944,00.html

[Guest KalEl]

CHALLENGE TO CHRISTIANS: GO into the world and preach the gospel!

 

Don’t just hide behind your computer screen, debating fruitlessly with us heathens here at Ex-C!

 

Don’t simply hide in your comfortable, air-conditioned home or office, arguing religion safely ensconced in the blanket of American free speech!

 

Stop preaching your faith in a country that is FULLY aware of Christianity, and is already dominated by “Christian” thoughts and values!

 

Why don’t you hypocritical Christians, quit being cowards, stop making excuses, OBEY your “lord Jesus”, and “GO into the WORLD and preach the gospel”!?

 

Isn’t THAT the Great Commission? Matthew 28:19-20?

 

Take your Holy Ghost filled self, and your precious “armor of God”, and GO into Muslim dominated countries (Saudi Arabia, Iraq, Indonesia, etc.) and preach the “good news” to THESE lost souls!

 

Don’t hide behind any feeble excuses such as, “But God hasn’t called me!”

 

Nonsense! Not only is every believer “called” to do this, but “Jesus” COMMANDED IT! He said “GO into the world”, not send out prayer requests and satellite TV transmissions!

 

So…what’s the hold up?

 

Go on! Sell everything you have. Quit your jobs. Abandon your families. And follow in the footsteps of “Jesus”! “Glory be to gawd!”

 

Tertullian said, “The blood of the martyrs is seed for the church.”

 

Well? Go plant some seeds, you gutless wonders!

 

Of course, NO American Christian worth his cable TV, will EVER do any of this. They love their worldly possessions too much. They don’t REALLY believe in “God’s” promises of protection, or necessary sacrifice of life when “He” decides it’s time for them to die.

 

I am SICK to death of Christians. Always demanding that WE believe “God” and their bible, when it’s painfully obvious that even THEY don’t believe!

 

And don’t tell me about how OTHER Christians have done just what I have proposed. So what? How does that excuse YOUR unbelief and disobedience to the “Great Commission”?

 

Obviously their message did NOT get through, since whole NATIONS are still NOT believing the “message of the cross”. It seems to me that YOU Christians still have work to do abroad, and your FEW missionaries and Evangelists are not up to this daunting task alone!

 

Get out there and help them! (I’m sure your Pastor would agree with me!)

 

I want to see it! I want to see an exodus of millions of Christian missionaries, forsake all and go into Muslim dominated nations, where the penalty is DEATH for preaching anything other than Allah, and take one in the heart for the “lord”.

 

It’s SO easy to pretend you are a “suffering saint” here in the safe confines of America. Where the worse things that you must “suffer” here are people who won’t vote YOUR Christian agenda into law, allow prayer in schools, or see the “Ten Commandments” taken out of Roy Moore’s courtroom.

 

But it’s another thing to preach boldly and fearlessly in the face of people who will horribly KILL you for being a believer in “Christ as King”.

 

You Christians have no right and no standing on THIS forum, to preach righteousness to US, when you won’t do as Jesus commands YOU.

 

IF you truly believe this God/Jesus stuff, then why delay? What are you waiting for? Stop telling me about the miracles of St. Paul and how he “boldly” proclaimed Christ everywhere HE went.

 

YOU do it!

 

 

 

 

[but if you CAN’T see your way to take up this challenge, I fully understand. You’re not a “True Christian” ™, but in reality a closet atheist who doesn’t REALLY believe any of this bible BS, and you just hang out with church folk for the social benefits. I understand. Truly, I do!]

 

 

 

 

Been there, done that, will continue to do so. Witnessed to several of my fellow Marines, have witnessed to strangers in Okinawa, Japan and by my actions, my wife was led to the Lord. BTW, she grew up in Shintoism. I do more than sit behind a computer screen. I fear no man, only the Father in Heaven.

[Asimov]

Yea....cuz Okinawa is a death trap.

[Guest KalEl]

Yea....cuz Okinawa is a death trap.

 

 

It can be, especially if you run across the Yakuza there.

[Asimov]

Yea....cuz Okinawa is a death trap.

 

 

It can be, especially if you run across the Yakuza there.

 

So can Bozeman, Montana....what's your point?

[Guest KalEl]

I would like to go somewhere else to witness, but I can only go where the Corps will send me. Wherever I'm at, I'll try to witness to others. That's what Jesus wants.

[thunderbolt]

I would like to go somewhere else to witness, but I can only go where the Corps will send me. Wherever I'm at, I'll try to witness to others. That's what Jesus wants.

I think Jesus wants a little more than you are willing to concede to and give. He said among other things, to SELL ALL your crap and give it to the poor, forsake your wife, family and friends for his sake, and to GO GO GO GO GO into all the world and preach DA message. No special circumstances or justifications. Your first priority is the kingdom, not the corps.

 

But as a matter of interest, what is the message you preach? People need to get saved …. because ….? Saved from what and why?

[Asuryan]

I would like to go somewhere else to witness, but I can only go where the Corps will send me. Wherever I'm at, I'll try to witness to others. That's what Jesus wants.

 

I don't think that Jesus in the gospels has ever spoken of Corps or about how to keep your job and still manage to witness... What do you need a job for anyway? Won't god provide to all of your needs? Didn't paul told you that it would be better to avoid marrying AND having sex altogether rather than marrying (which you should do ONLY if you can't manage to restrain your bestial urges)?

 

Christianity is very well known in Japan, don't come here and tell us that japanese people don't know what christianity is or that christians are persecuted in Japan. Japanese just love to marry "western style", in churches with a priest. Christianity is trend! Look at the popularity of manga and anime (and cosplay porn!) about nuns!

 

But of course I'm open to the possibility that in Japan christians are persecuted and put to death and tortured and a lot of similar things.

Prove it, though.

[Vixentrox]

North Korea just a short ways away. Desert your unit and all possesions like Jesus wants you to and go preach to the North Koreans.

[boink666]

even though im not fond of christian. i still give even these ones some props for coming in a mainly non christian fourm and trying their little hearts out to convert us back. even though they know their ideas and messages will get shot down by the amount of info we have against them. its more than what most are doing sitting at home and watching pax tv. Now dont get me wrong i have no want to play games with these christians i would just as soon tear their beleifs up. (and maybe ill do that later) well that was my two cents.

[diggin]

You are resigned to break down others and their pursuit of what they believe to be right.

 

Yeah, we here at ExC are funding mission trips in the name of logic and reason to destroy Christianity. Spumoni, that is just wrong, you came here we didn't come to you. It is missionaries and christians BREAKING people down to win them over, not us. You see Spumoni, when humanitiarians go to help the poor and needy, they don't do it with an agenda of winning people over to something, they do it because they care...that's it. Well, I'm sure as within christianity there are those doing it for show off purposes, but I'd venture to say the majority are just good people. They aren't scaring down trodden people about hell, or telling them they're pathetic sinners, they are there to just lift them up and help supply REAL needs.

 

I'm a Christian who believes the Bible,

but I agree with Serene Atheist that the mainstream message of "turn or burn", no matter how friendly the presentation, no matter how nicely dressed up or accompanied by humanitarian inducements, is still basically just like an extortioner asking for your money, while holding a club behind his back that he, (or his god) will hit you with if you don't comply. Accepting the "offer" is not a moral decision at that point -- it's succumbing to brute force, fear, domination.

 

More than that, I think the Bible is clear that this state of affairs was expected, and that the reason why this is indeed the post-xtian era is that God and man have both evaluated Churchianity's claims against its actions and have found them severely wanting. Example: "Your fear of Me is taught by the commandments of men" Isaiah 29:13

 

Revelation 18 describes divine retribution against the geopolitical, economic power of Christendom, and describes in vivid terms the utter destruction of Christianity as an institution.

 

Revelation 17 describes divine retribution against the mother of harlots herself, and if my take on the meaning of the symbols is correct, it will be an uprising of the people, a democratic style revolt, which will destroy the system in the end.

 

Here's what I would say to all ex-Christians, whether atheist now, agnostic, or just focusing on more productive life patterns: God is fair, and does love the world. He is committed to allowing all people to use both their heroisms and their rebellions as the "first half of their education", and that in the coming age he will augment that experience with kind and friendly instruction of his own to provide a full opportunity for all the people who have ever lived, to learn from each other, from God, and from the past. Tragedies will meld into victories, both individually and collectively. Read Isaiah 14:7 for a one-verse summary of what the world will be like when this project is finished. Or Revelation 21:1-4 if you want a little more detail.

 

At the moment, the "Christian world", with its legacy of slavery, imperialism, fanaticism, and cruelty, is just plain retarded, way behind what the rest of the world has been largely learning through practical experience: the unity of mankind, the value of diversity, the importance of sharing the earth in an egalitarian way; the wisdom of humility and love, the beauty of the universe.

 

Now, for your consideration of missionary activity, consider these facts, gathered by a world missionary agency:

 

http://www.uscwm.org/mobilization_division...statistics.html

 

What jumps out at me is that wherever "Christianity" has had the greatest impact, it is the most difficult to find additional converts. Why is this? Perhaps because historically Christian areas are more wealthy and therefore more materialistic to begin with ... less interested in "spiritual" things.

But I think a bigger reason is what some have mentioned in this discussion -- the prevalence of hypocrisy. The Bible predicts hypocrisy within Christianity ... for example, 1 Timothy 4:1-4. If you want to find baby skeletons, dig under a monastery.

 

I believe that if true Christianity is practiced, it recommends itself and tends to attract converts. But nominal Christianity, including the mainstream teachings of eternal hell and the "Jesus only appears to be a man" concept, spawns hypocrisy the way flies on manure spawn maggots.

My own eyes have witnessed, time and again, the unfeeling, uncaring, hypocritical finger-pointing and even spiritual abuse that occur in many of the most fervent families and churches. My perception is that it's a lot harder for God to be merciful to these sorts of folks than toward, say, atheists. But if the Bible is true He will be merciful to both -- and faithful to teach both.

 

One reason I think the Bible is God's word is the harsh words, the realistic insights, that are addressed to this state of affairs. For example in Psalm 50, God criticizes the most religious folks, and says if he were hungry he wouldn't tell them, because of the unbearable pain of having to endure their arrogance as they fed him.... or in Isaiah 58, where he rejects their god-words and "good-deeds" and asks instead for them to stop pointing the finger at other people.

 

The next 30+ years are going to be really tough for everyone -- but they're going to be especially hard for Christians -- especially "lambs and goats" -- see Isaiah 63 and 34:6. Baby Christians and hard-hearted, hypocritical xtians are going to feel their lifeblood drain away in the troubles that will be hitting everyone. In fact, the growth of ex-xtian.net and other similar venues is an evidence of that kind of judgment from God already taking place. -- judgment against past sins during the dark ages, when 10s of millions of innocent people were murdered in the name of Christ, and judgment against recent sins, like the duplicity of many churches during the Holocaust; and judgments against personal hypocrisy and spiritual abuse that has always been rampant in Christian circles.

 

Hang in there. It'll feel like the world is burning up and melting down. It's just the pride of man -- both atheistic and Christian -- that has to go.

 

I've written about this stuff at more length on my blog, www.happygod.blogspot.com and my website, www.whyjesusdied.com

 

Gotta run but thanks for your interesting discussion on this forum.

[NotBlinded]

I really enjoyed that diggin and I agree with you on many aspects. Thank you.

[Guest sub_zer0]

I really enjoyed that diggin and I agree with you on many aspects. Thank you.

 

If your name is in reference to Christians, I got news for you. Christ's light is manifested within and shines outward. So in a personal sense you don't get blinded to everything else because of Christ but you see everything for how it is.

[All Gods Fail]

If your name is in reference to Christians, I got news for you. Christ's light is manifested within and shines outward. So in a personal sense you don't get blinded to everything else because of Christ but you see everything for how it is.

Wow, I didn't know Christ's light shines within you! I thought I did see everything for what it was! Maybe my name isn't right either - maybe all gods don't fail!

 

Tell me more, sub-zip!

[Guest sub_zer0]

More than that, I think the Bible is clear that this state of affairs was expected, and that the reason why this is indeed the post-xtian era is that God and man have both evaluated Churchianity's claims against its actions and have found them severely wanting. Example: "Your fear of Me is taught by the commandments of men" Isaiah 29:13

 

Isaiah 29:13 says nothing about that phrase you quoted in either the NASB and NIV. In fact the whole chapter says nothing of the sort. Perhaps you misquoted...

 

Revelation 18 describes divine retribution against the geopolitical, economic power of Christendom, and describes in vivid terms the utter destruction of Christianity as an institution.

 

Revelation 17 describes divine retribution against the mother of harlots herself, and if my take on the meaning of the symbols is correct, it will be an uprising of the people, a democratic style revolt, which will destroy the system in the end.

 

Babylon is not the true church in any sense of the term, but symbolizes a religious standpoint.

 

You see it isn't true Christendom but it is exactly what you say the "Christian World" is. The Babylon in Revelation 17 is from a religious standpoint. It is the ones who claim to be Christian. Actually the Rapture will of happened for the true Church of Christ before this. It is important to note also that the word "Babylon" applites to Babylonian religion; it also applies to the city of Babylon; and it applies to the empire of Babylon. Revelation 17 concentrates on its religious influences and of its direct rebellion of God's will.

 

Now with the picture of the seven heads and ten horns the symbolism connects the woman with that of the political empire described in 13:1-10. Remember from a Biblical standpoint now solely, the Babylonian influence in the world is supported in Scripture from as early as Genesis 11 and continues onward through revelation of its destruction in Revelation 18.

 

Revelation 18 continues the prophetic revelation concerning Babyon with the context and meaning of this chapter quite different. Revelation 18 is more about a physically rebuilt city of Babylon being rebuilt and ultimately destroyed forever in connection with the events related to Christs second coming.

 

Here's what I would say to all ex-Christians, whether atheist now, agnostic, or just focusing on more productive life patterns: God is fair, and does love the world. He is committed to allowing all people to use both their heroisms and their rebellions as the "first half of their education", and that in the coming age he will augment that experience with kind and friendly instruction of his own to provide a full opportunity for all the people who have ever lived, to learn from each other, from God, and from the past. Tragedies will meld into victories, both individually and collectively. Read Isaiah 14:7 for a one-verse summary of what the world will be like when this project is finished. Or Revelation 21:1-4 if you want a little more detail.

 

What will happen is the true believers will be caught up then 100 years of peace ushered in by Christ after the 7-year tribulation period of the earth. It has nothing to do with augmenting that experience with kind and friendly instruction of His own. It is about refining the earth unto Himself.

 

At the moment, the "Christian world", with its legacy of slavery, imperialism, fanaticism, and cruelty, is just plain retarded, way behind what the rest of the world has been largely learning through practical experience: the unity of mankind, the value of diversity, the importance of sharing the earth in an egalitarian way; the wisdom of humility and love, the beauty of the universe.

 

Christians are not what you are lumping into your definition of the "Christian world."

 

What jumps out at me is that wherever "Christianity" has had the greatest impact, it is the most difficult to find additional converts. Why is this? Perhaps because historically Christian areas are more wealthy and therefore more materialistic to begin with ... less interested in "spiritual" things. But I think a bigger reason is what some have mentioned in this discussion -- the prevalence of hypocrisy. The Bible predicts hypocrisy within Christianity ... for example, 1 Timothy 4:1-4. If you want to find baby skeletons, dig under a monastery.

 

Indeed 1 Tim. categorizes those who once believed but fell away from it. I believe that is talking about a few on this board.

[Asimov]

More than that, I think the Bible is clear that this state of affairs was expected, and that the reason why this is indeed the post-xtian era is that God and man have both evaluated Churchianity's claims against its actions and have found them severely wanting. Example: "Your fear of Me is taught by the commandments of men" Isaiah 29:13

 

Isaiah 29:13 says nothing about that phrase you quoted in either the NASB and NIV. In fact the whole chapter says nothing of the sort. Perhaps you misquoted...

 

 

yir'âh

yir-aw'

Feminine of H3373; fear (also used as infinitive); morally reverence: - X dreadful, X exceedingly, fear (-fulness).

 

Isa 29:13 Wherefore the Lord136 said,559 Forasmuch3282, 3588 as this2088 people5971 draw near5066 me with their mouth,6310 and with their lips8193 do honor3513 me, but have removed their heart far7368, 3820 from4480 me, and their fear3374 toward854 me is1961 taught3925 by the precept4687 of men:376

[NotBlinded]

I really enjoyed that diggin and I agree with you on many aspects. Thank you.

 

If your name is in reference to Christians, I got news for you. Christ's light is manifested within and shines outward. So in a personal sense you don't get blinded to everything else because of Christ but you see everything for how it is.

Yes, you may call it Christ if you wish. You are the one that is blinded and are a prime example of why I chose my screen name. You want to hear a pretty ironic tale? I rejected Christianity because of people like you and their distorted understandings, and you know what? I was still blinded to what the bible really was. I can see clearly now. If one takes the bible as you do, they are blinded to what it really is. It is a myth (read what myth means if you don't know) that is supposed to get people to realize the divinity within themselves and to address philosophical truths. It is not supposed to be taken literally.

 

So, my screen name still stands as a philosophical truth that what you believe is a blight on humanity (blight not light). I am no longer blinded by the blight that you embrace as truth and I no longer reject the bible because I understand what it is. This difference in my understanding and yours is that yours is exclusive and therefore causes division and mine is inclusive and includes all of humanity.

 

I really did wish you saw things for how they were. You then would not have to feel that negative energy of being separate from everyone that doesn't believe as you. That is the true Christ-nature that dwells inside us all.

[Who?]

CHALLENGE TO CHRISTIANS: GO into the world and preach the gospel!

 

Don’t just hide behind your computer screen, debating fruitlessly with us heathens here at Ex-C!

 

Don’t simply hide in your comfortable, air-conditioned home or office, arguing religion safely ensconced in the blanket of American free speech!

 

Stop preaching your faith in a country that is FULLY aware of Christianity, and is already dominated by “Christian” thoughts and values!

 

Why don’t you hypocritical Christians, quit being cowards, stop making excuses, OBEY your “lord Jesus”, and “GO into the WORLD and preach the gospel”!?

 

Isn’t THAT the Great Commission? Matthew 28:19-20?

 

Take your Holy Ghost filled self, and your precious “armor of God”, and GO into Muslim dominated countries (Saudi Arabia, Iraq, Indonesia, etc.) and preach the “good news” to THESE lost souls!

 

Don’t hide behind any feeble excuses such as, “But God hasn’t called me!”

 

Nonsense! Not only is every believer “called” to do this, but “Jesus” COMMANDED IT! He said “GO into the world”, not send out prayer requests and satellite TV transmissions!

 

So…what’s the hold up?

 

Go on! Sell everything you have. Quit your jobs. Abandon your families. And follow in the footsteps of “Jesus”! “Glory be to gawd!”

 

Tertullian said, “The blood of the martyrs is seed for the church.”

 

Well? Go plant some seeds, you gutless wonders!

 

Of course, NO American Christian worth his cable TV, will EVER do any of this. They love their worldly possessions too much. They don’t REALLY believe in “God’s” promises of protection, or necessary sacrifice of life when “He” decides it’s time for them to die.

 

I am SICK to death of Christians. Always demanding that WE believe “God” and their bible, when it’s painfully obvious that even THEY don’t believe!

 

And don’t tell me about how OTHER Christians have done just what I have proposed. So what? How does that excuse YOUR unbelief and disobedience to the “Great Commission”?

 

Obviously their message did NOT get through, since whole NATIONS are still NOT believing the “message of the cross”. It seems to me that YOU Christians still have work to do abroad, and your FEW missionaries and Evangelists are not up to this daunting task alone!

 

Get out there and help them! (I’m sure your Pastor would agree with me!)

 

I want to see it! I want to see an exodus of millions of Christian missionaries, forsake all and go into Muslim dominated nations, where the penalty is DEATH for preaching anything other than Allah, and take one in the heart for the “lord”.

 

It’s SO easy to pretend you are a “suffering saint” here in the safe confines of America. Where the worse things that you must “suffer” here are people who won’t vote YOUR Christian agenda into law, allow prayer in schools, or see the “Ten Commandments” taken out of Roy Moore’s courtroom.

 

But it’s another thing to preach boldly and fearlessly in the face of people who will horribly KILL you for being a believer in “Christ as King”.

 

You Christians have no right and no standing on THIS forum, to preach righteousness to US, when you won’t do as Jesus commands YOU.

 

IF you truly believe this God/Jesus stuff, then why delay? What are you waiting for? Stop telling me about the miracles of St. Paul and how he “boldly” proclaimed Christ everywhere HE went.

 

YOU do it!

 

 

 

 

[but if you CAN’T see your way to take up this challenge, I fully understand. You’re not a “True Christian” ™, but in reality a closet atheist who doesn’t REALLY believe any of this bible BS, and you just hang out with church folk for the social benefits. I understand. Truly, I do!]

 

 

 

Is May close enough for you?

[Who?]

Who? Where are you going?

 

 

Laotian Speaking, Sacramento.

[thunderbolt]

Hey, my HQ is in SUCKramento

:-)