Truth About The Unpardonable Sin

[blackpudd1n]

Hi Jason,

 

I'd like you to have a look at a few pages on this site about bipolar, and see if it matches up with what you are experiencing. I am using the Black Dog Institute's site because they are the leading researchers in bipolar disorder in Australia, and extremely reputable.

 

First, a few facts on mania: http://www.blackdoginstitute.org.au/public/bipolardisorder/bipolardisorderexplained/maniahypomaniadefined.cfm

 

An explanation of bipolar: http://www.blackdoginstitute.org.au/public/bipolardisorder/bipolardisorderexplained/index.cfm

 

A self-test that you can show to your doctor to help your doctor identify what is going on: http://www.blackdoginstitute.org.au/public/bipolardisorder/self-test.cfm

 

Have a look around the site, and maybe show your boyfriend, and see what you think. Please don't be afraid to have a look. all the best

[midniterider]

You've locked your mind into a state of eternal condemnation. Do you plan to unlock your mind? Or continue to snivel? Go see a doctor or a psychologist or even a pastor. There is probably some underlying problem besides God condemning you. Unless of course you enjoy your current state of misery.

[jasonother]

Everyone thanks for your encouragement.

And MikeMo, thanks for typing out all of that testimony. It seems really heart-felt and sincere. Sounds like you've been through a lot by that "loving" God. Your testimony is similar to mine in a lot of ways. I, too, basically wanted a father relationship, which I thought that God provided. Even when I had the Holy Spirit, I was constantly sad and miserable. It was like being a caged animal. Damned if you do, damned if you don't. Break free from the cage, and then REALLY comes the torture. What a sweet Jesus.

[MikeMo]

Everyone thanks for your encouragement.

And MikeMo, thanks for typing out all of that testimony. It seems really heart-felt and sincere. Sounds like you've been through a lot by that "loving" God. Your testimony is similar to mine in a lot of ways. I, too, basically wanted a father relationship, which I thought that God provided. Even when I had the Holy Spirit, I was constantly sad and miserable. It was like being a caged animal. Damned if you do, damned if you don't. Break free from the cage, and then REALLY comes the torture. What a sweet Jesus.

 

So, why continue to proclaim him as legitimately LORD by legitimizing the Scriptures? When I was in the Church, before I denounced the Scriptures and, therefore, Jesus Christ, I denounced the authority of the priesthood because of their objective contradiction to their own standards of profession. When I was able to denounce these priests to their face, their authority became obsolete, meaning that I became freed from their self-appointed jurisdictions. Likewise, when I denounced the Scriptures and, therefore, Jesus Christ, for his existence was Scripturally defined as fulfilling Scripture, as hard as that conclusion was to come to, for I was so stubborn about my presumptuous faith, the authority of the Scriptures and, therefore, of Jesus Christ, became obsolete, and I now have the opportunity to be freed from the internally-appointed jurisdiction, which psychologically is taking longer than I would have liked it to. The truth of the Scripture is that its promises fail to materialize objectively. Rather, in the same way that you saw an objective celestial event with that shooting star, your superstition interpreted that event and produced a personally subjective doctrine about it. And every person on this website has responded that they do not interpret your objective event that way. Yet you allow your interpretation of the Scripture to have authority over your objective existence. And so you have not freed yourself from the cage. You have freed yourself only from the cage of the doctrinal mercy, but you have enslaved yourself into the cage of doctrinal wrath. You are in the same cage, but in the inverse cellar. Now is the time to free yourself from the dogma entirely. Jesus was your Lord in mercy, and now he is your Lord in wrath. Nullify his authority and become free from the Scripturally defined jurisdiction that you presume he has. If you cannot disassemble this thought process, then you will lose to your own belief that his unceasing wrath will absolutely have the victory over you. And that is no way to live. Seek for a newer covenant and a better Messiah...in yourself. Save yourself from your broken new covenant, which God broke in his mind from before the foundation of the world, that eternal origination of covenant breaking. And save yourself from the Savior, whose bloody sacrifice was not sufficient to keep and seal you blameless in his Ghost. And consider yourself saved from the already absent Ghost, whose seal was pretense, and eternally temporal (oxymoron). Do not give up on your ability to overcome in this situation...and stop depending on God and Jesus and their Ghost as the intermediaries to affirming yourself. The most authoritative existence that a person can believe in is their own, for their existence is self-explanatory to themselves...the greatest and most intimate objective proof. And if anybody asks for that proof, then the proof cannot become more self-explanatory to others as well. I believe primarily in myself because there is nothing more substantial to myself in knowledge. Not even God...and when God "abandoned" me, there was one person who would not obey his absence...and it was myself, always present with myself when even the omnipresent God would not be (oxymoron). But, even if God, specifically of the Christians, or of any other dogmatic belief system, were real, then I would continue to believe primarily in myself, for my existence is more affirmative to myself than even these Gods could be. And I know with hypothetical integrity that the greatest service I could give to these Deities would be to fulfill the fullness of my existence, and by primarily believing in myself, I would affirm the creation of the Creators who made me. I am not here to fulfill the existence of God, nor is God eternal to fulfill the existence of my life...God could never fulfill my life in himself, and this inability establishes my confidence in my existence. I am unique, so unique that even God could never fulfill my life. My life is mine alone, and I believe in the objective reality of my most intimate existence. Stop living with God as an intermediary to knowing yourself...and know yourself directly...defining yourself personally.

[CatholiKitty]

If you can possibly remember, what was the date on which you saw that falling star? Knowing this may be of some help. If you can't recall the exact date, the week or month would be useful."

 

I don't know the date. I know it was a few days to maybe a week after. So, probably like Oct 7-11 or so. As far as being an atheist, all you have to do is look at the perfect circle of the globe and how the sun rises and sets perfectly, without erring at all out of it's prescribed times to know there is a Supreme Intelligence behind the universe.

 

Jasonother,

 

I would like to respond to your OP, but first I have a few questions/comments.

 

1) Why are the Catholic bishops all damned? I can easily think of good reasons why a number of them likely are, but I'm always interested in hearing why other faiths hate on my own.

 

2) The Earth is NOT a perfect circle (or even a perfect sphere, as I assume you meant). The name for this world's shape is oblate spheroid because the Earth bulges out at the equator. Even if you leveled out the mountains and the valleys and took away the sun and the moon to get rid of the bulging of the tides, the Earth's rotation on its axis would still cause the spherical shape to deform.

 

3) The "rising" and "setting" of the sun work like clockwork because the physical laws for rotation and orbit and inertia work like clockwork. These are the things that determine the time and length of each day. God isn't walking out of his palace each morning like Celestia, using his magic to make sure the world doesn't sit in darkness, nor is he pulling the sun around constantly in a fiery chariot. The laws of the universe let everything work just fine on their own. You're free to say, as I do, that the physical laws come from God, but the laws involved with sunrises are rather basic and boring.

 

Response to the OP: After reading all your responses in this thread, I doubt you will be interested in this offer, but I'll gladly give you my faith's spin on the blasphemy thing and the Judas thing. Again, I doubt that it matters to you, but not all christian traditions consider you beyond hope at this point. I'm not saying that I want you to convert; I just hate to see another human being in such pointless and heart-crushing despair.

[MikeMo]

To the Catholic with the feline Pope (the more honorable and reasonable of the two with the crown): how are you going to love and tolerate the shit out of me when the Protestants already beat you to it? I already took my Christian shit on the toilet brand named "Church." I have this parable: the consvervative Christians are the constipated Christians (no matter how hard they push, they cannot force out their shit), while the liberal and charismatic Christians are the Christians with diarrhea (no matter how hard they squeeze, they cannot hold their shit in). It seems to me that I would like to find myself somewhere in the middle, but no matter how hard I pray to God about it, he always answers, "Follow me instead, for no matter which religious platform you find yourself upon it is all a matter of shit." And I always respond, "Amen, Jesus had no place to rest his Head, until the Body of His personal Church was established."

[Ouroboros]

I don't know the date. I know it was a few days to maybe a week after. So, probably like Oct 7-11 or so. As far as being an atheist, all you have to do is look at the perfect circle of the globe and how the sun rises and sets perfectly, without erring at all out of it's prescribed times to know there is a Supreme Intelligence behind the universe.

 

Jasonother,

 

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3) The "rising" and "setting" of the sun work like clockwork because the physical laws for rotation and orbit and inertia work like clockwork. These are the things that determine the time and length of each day. God isn't walking out of his palace each morning like Celestia, using his magic to make sure the world doesn't sit in darkness, nor is he pulling the sun around constantly in a fiery chariot. The laws of the universe let everything work just fine on their own. You're free to say, as I do, that the physical laws come from God, but the laws involved with sunrises are rather basic and boring.

And actually, the sun is not setting or rise perfectly at all. The length of day and night is changing every day over the year. And also, we need a leap day every fourth year to adjust, but with the exception of every 100 years when we skip the leap year, but also with the exception of every 400 years where we have it anyway, and then there's another exception down the line. Besides, the "24 hour cycle" is changing, with a extremely small amount each year (or thousands of years). 620 million years ago, a day (with night) was only 21.9 hours. The perfect we humans see in nature is because we live such a short lifetime compared to nature and the universe. Nature doesn't change much during our lifespan, but it changes a lot over millennia.

[ShackledNoMore]

Excellent call on the Draconids, BAA. I don't think they're always listed on meteor shower lists (in fact, they're not on Ouroboros' list!) and I had either never heard about them before, or never remembered if I came across them. Significantly, the Wikipedia article says that there was a spike in the rate of the shower in 2005--and the date is more aligned with Jason's recollection. It sounds like you are spot on.

 

 

Ummm... I'd prefer to share the kudos with the teapot guy.

 

High five?

 

BAA.

 

[ShackledNoMore]

Everyone thanks for your encouragement.

And MikeMo, thanks for typing out all of that testimony. It seems really heart-felt and sincere. Sounds like you've been through a lot by that "loving" God. Your testimony is similar to mine in a lot of ways.

 

I was thinking the same thing. Happily, Mike ultimately broke through, saw the doctrine for what it was, and worked through it all to make an immensely better life for himself. It is my hope for you Jason, that we can provide the kind of push you need to start out on a similar path.

[Overcame Faith]

Everyone thanks for your encouragement.

And MikeMo, thanks for typing out all of that testimony. It seems really heart-felt and sincere. Sounds like you've been through a lot by that "loving" God. Your testimony is similar to mine in a lot of ways.

 

I was thinking the same thing. Happily, Mike ultimately broke through, saw the doctrine for what it was, and worked through it all to make an immensely better life for himself. It is my hope for you Jason, that we can provide the kind of push you need to start out on a similar path.

 

I concur completely, Jason. I truly hope you can break free from the horror that the false Christian religion has imposed on you.

[Legion]

In my overly inflated opinion, OvercameFaith is among the best of us.

 

He tirelessly encourages. He has taken our mission to heart. He looks for every opportunity to boost other people.

[Overcame Faith]

In my overly inflated opinion, OvercameFaith is among the best of us.

 

He tirelessly encourages. He has taken our mission to heart. He looks for every opportunity to boost other people.

 

Thanks, Legion. Coming from you, that is quite a compliment.

[Legion]

In my overly inflated opinion, OvercameFaith is among the best of us.

 

He tirelessly encourages. He has taken our mission to heart. He looks for every opportunity to boost other people.

 

Thanks, Legion. Coming from you, that is quite a compliment.

 

You deserve more than compliments OF. It's the least I can do.

[Xerces]

As I said, I know that the remnant is very small in world today, but I figure there must be *someone* out there awaiting their damnation, hopelessly convicted of this horror.

 

Count me among them. I did it for a free DVD. Best trade I ever made.

[Justin]

Even when I had the Holy Spirit, I was constantly sad and miserable. It was like being a caged animal. Damned if you do, damned if you don't. Break free from the cage, and then REALLY comes the torture. What a sweet Jesus.

 

It sounds to me like you are an atheist that hasn't admitted it yet. You are on the right track and i hope you continue to stay on it.

[London]

Even when I had the Holy Spirit, I was constantly sad and miserable. It was like being a caged animal. Damned if you do, damned if you don't. Break free from the cage, and then REALLY comes the torture. What a sweet Jesus.

 

It sounds to me like you are an atheist that hasn't admitted it yet. You are on the right track and i hope you continue to stay on it.

 

Add me to that same opinion. I think you came here to see how others dealt with deconversion. Good choice.

[ShackledNoMore]

Even when I had the Holy Spirit, I was constantly sad and miserable.

 

Another thing for you to think about: Galatians 5:22 says: But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, forbearance, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness and self-control.

 

Assuming that you were a member of such a tiny handful of the elect that had the holy spirit, how could you be sad and miserable instead of displaying the fruits of the holy spirit of joy and peace? --Especially given that if you could somehow identify that thousand or two most happy, at peace people in the world, they'd be awfully darn happy, content and serene.

 

The answer, of course, is that you had no indwelling of the holy spirit because there is no christian god, and therefore no holy spirit incarnation of the christian god. You were deceived and adopted a very widespread delusion. It does not make sense that your core premises about the christian god are correct (although we both know you cannot get a straight answer out of the bible) AND you had the indwelling of the holy spirit AND you were miserable even then.

[jasonother]

Actually, I remember times back then when I would be praying and worshipping God, and I would feel just like Jesus described about The Holy Spirit being like a fountatin of Living Water. Sometimes, it really felt like a waterfall spiritual coming down over me. I remember another time of feeling transfixed, with the Light of God radiating out from me. The Holy Spirit does give joy; that doesn't mean that our own spirit isn't contrary to it, or that those with God cannot be depressed.

 

I was not a very good Christian. Even from the start, I was always addicted to pornography. Didn't have sex until I was 24, although I certainly thought about it a lot. I even did sex chat online. I did pursue God hard though, but never tackled the not sinning part. Obedience is better to God than sacrifice, but I was thinking more of the sacrifice and less of the obedience. I was just so drawn in by sin and became numb to its effects, until I broke.

[mymistake]

I was not a very good Christian. Even from the start, I was always addicted to pornography.

 

That is called being a male mammal. You are warm blooded. It's your nature. Don't hate yourself for the way you were born. You have the same kind of instincts as dogs, cats, hamsters, horses, and all other furry creatures.

 

Didn't have sex until I was 24, although I certainly thought about it a lot. I even did sex chat online. I did pursue God hard though, but never tackled the not sinning part.

 

It's not possible. Anybody who claims they don't "sin" (as defined by Christianity) is lying. However since God couldn't bother to give us any messages I woudln't worry about sin.

 

Obedience is better to God than sacrifice, but I was thinking more of the sacrifice and less of the obedience. I was just so drawn in by sin and became numb to its effects, until I broke.

 

Or you figured out Christianity is not realistic. Keep at it your are beginning to understand.

[agnosticator]

I was not a very good Christian........ I was just so drawn in by sin and became numb to its effects, until I broke.

 

Biblical Christianity is written to control people's minds. It's the original Christian cult that is imitated by every cult leader.It works only when fully believed. Then the guilt sets in, and your caught....hook, line, and sinker! You are suffering from an attempt to rip your humanity from yourself. You're no longer a whole human being, but a dissociated, guilt-ridden, prisoner to the propaganda of Suffering. It's all a Big Lie designed to debase your feelings and emotions through undeserved guilt. Undeserved, because no one and no thing in this universe is perfect. You were born human. Would you really want to be "as the angels" who are sexless, emotionless fantasies whose only purpose is grovelling?

[Will02]

I was not a very good Christian. Even from the start, I was always addicted to pornography. Didn't have sex until I was 24, although I certainly thought about it a lot. I even did sex chat online. I did pursue God hard though, but never tackled the not sinning part. Obedience is better to God than sacrifice, but I was thinking more of the sacrifice and less of the obedience. I was just so drawn in by sin and became numb to its effects, until I broke.

 

No, you "broke" because you were given impossible orders to follow. The same thing (or something like it) happened to many of us or we would not be here. I walked the same road you are on now, and I was miserable the whole time. I may have been "alive in christ" but I was already dead as a person. Christianity gave me nothing and I just wanted the misery to end. Deconverting made me feel alive and truly free for the first time in my life.

 

What Xians refer to as "sin" is simply being human. Why do you think that all the good and pleasurable things in life are so often called evil? If you try to control and supress your human impulses, you may have some initial success but you will ultimately lose every single time. You then repent and try harder, only to fail again. Rinse and repeat. This drives you down in an emotional spiral until you either break free or kill yourself. Did the writers of the bible know this would happen? Of course they did, and they still chose to burden people down with this anyway. Physical or emotional pain is a blinding force; it can keep people from seeing clearly. I imagine they sought to create such constant mental distress in their followers in hopes of blinding them to the truth: That the church and its teachings are wrong and that you cannot understand life by following the christian religion. If a system has a 100% failure rate, would you blame the people who failed or would you blame the system? The religion has always been a money-making operation, and they had to have people constantly wallow in self-loathing to keep them from realizing that.

[Positivist]

jasonother, I still think you need to go to an out-patient mental health clinic and tell them:

• I have special knowledge about the elect that no one else has
  
• I received a special message from a shooting star
  
• I am obsessed with spiritual things, damnation, and religion
  
• I am unique and part of the elect
  
• I have special knowledge about the Bible and its interpretation
  
• God speaks to me personally
  

They can help you!

[randomatheist]

Wow, really? A shooting star? That means you're condemned to hell forever and forever? I have seen shooting stars throughout my life. It is not a "sign from god" that you're doomed to hopelessness. You just happened to see something neat! Thank science...

[JohnnieNaked]

The whole issue at hand is that there are 17 different interpretations of the unpardonable sin and what it is, along with just about every other verse in the Bible.

 

If that's not fantastic evidence that Christianity is man-made baloney then I dunno what is.

[LoneTarus]

Guys, seriously I'm not a troll. Everything I'm saying is totally sincere. I've been accused of this before. I'm quite convinced I was one of God's small elect, and that is why my case is particularly damnable. I"m held to a different standard because of having received greater light. Believe me or not, at the end of the day, it doesn't make much difference. I've become basically an alcoholic just to make it through the day. I'm a mess.

 

Ok, I will bite. If you are telling the truth then you have been part of a seriously fucked up cult. I know to you that will sound insulting and I'm sorry but I have to call it like I see it. and that isn't because I don't have the holy spirit it's because it is the truth.

 

I really believe that the biblical concept of god is completely wrong. It may be possible for there to be something out there but its not some primitive arbitrary bogie man in the sky that the bible portrays.

 

I know you are convinced (if you are being honest) that you have this all figured out. so let me attempt to help you on your way to being set free from this trap you are in. Assuming I am wrong for a moment and all you say is really the case. then God has betrayed you and stabbed you cruelly in the back. Why not take a page from lucifer's book and rebel fully against God. I'm not suggesting you do anything evil to others by any means. What I suggest is you look into those things which God has previously forbidden you to look into. Bite into that forbidden fruit of knowledge. Lucifer has also been known as the bringer of light. If God is willing to un-justly condemn you for eternity it is also possible he has hidden a great many things from you as well. And as it has been said here before the truth will set you free.

 

I recommend looking into orthodox Judaism. I took that path hoping to validate my christian beliefs, and what I found out in the end is that the new testament claims of Jesus fulfilling the prophecies in the old testament were total bunk. I also believe now that the OT is also a pack of lies, although it has some interesting parts to it. The world you live in is much bigger, much more colorful and alive and much more complex than the world dreamed of by your god. Go out there and explore suck up the knowledge on this site, read some books on these subjects, explore science and you will start to see things from a new perspective that I know will liberate you in time.

 

One book in particular that helped change my view of the bible, christianity and myself was this book I will link you to here

"The Beast That Crouches at the Door" http://www.amazon.co...37295581&sr=8-1

 

no matter how familiar you think you are with Genesis if you really pay attention to what the author is saying and re-read it with a new eye you will start to see things you never dreamed of before. and the whole concept of Good and Evil, what Sin is, how we percieve things and even who and what the Devil is (here's a hint he is not some guy with horns and a pitchfork) and even who you really are as a person and whats going on inside yourself will be turned on its head. At least it had that effect on me.

 

Don't just stop there though seriously study this stuff for yourself, now that you are free to disobey God look on your religion and beliefs form the point of view of people you were once forbidden to listen to. You may be very pleasantly surprised to find out that the other side wasn't as evil and hell bound as you thought. and that includes yourself.

 

I for one wish you great success on your journey into the light, should you choose to take it.

 

Oh, by the way I forgot to add in a link to a lecture series that really helped me to see that Jesus is not who he claims to be: http://www.outreachjudaism.org/FAQ I am not promoting the jewish faith here, just giving you a view from people that really know the old testament as to why christianity is a total lie, please dare to look at this information you really have nothing to lose.