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There is no universal human religion


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38 minutes ago, TEG said:

And if pigs had wings, could they fly?  (Sorry, that was a yuk yuk.)

If some sort of transporter beam made a copy of you on another planet, then destroyed the you that was here on earth, would you still be you?

And if none of the atoms in your body right now are the same as the ones that were there 20 years ago,  how is that different?

(Your answer to this probably depends on whether you believe in some sort of soul or atman.)

 

Scientists are pretty close to making prosthetic limbs controlled by the brain. they’re also working on 3D printing human organs for transplants. If you had fully functional android limbs and a fake liver, would you still be you? Maybe it could work the same way for the brain too. I’m not an expert, but I think the hippocampus at least is constantly generating new brain cells while other parts of the brain lose brain cells... so do you stop being “you” when you lose or gain all those atoms and cells? 

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7 hours ago, Christopherhays said:

 

Scientists are pretty close to making prosthetic limbs controlled by the brain. they’re also working on 3D printing human organs for transplants. If you had fully functional android limbs and a fake liver, would you still be you? Maybe it could work the same way for the brain too. I’m not an expert, but I think the hippocampus at least is constantly generating new brain cells while other parts of the brain lose brain cells... so do you stop being “you” when you lose or gain all those atoms and cells? 

 

Same social security number ...different cells. :)

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23 hours ago, LuthAMF said:

Right.

"Who knows?"

"...may have..."

"What if?..."

I think there is a premise for debate in there somewhere. Somehow. Who knows?

We could ask

Green walks door three Beagle swallow. 

Could be.

     We can't knows anythings!  Our worlds views is the absurd.

 

     If only there was another way that offered certainty...

 

          mwc

 

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19 minutes ago, mwc said:

We can't knows anythings!  Our worlds views is the absurd

Aaaaaand how do you "know" this?

 

 

You state it as though it is true and a fact. 

But you just said....

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52 minutes ago, LuthAMF said:

Aaaaaand how do you "know" this?

 

 

You state it as though it is true and a fact. 

But you just said....

     Exactly.  How *do* I know this?

 

     We both know epistemology is the only arrow in your quiver.

 

          mwc

 

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2 hours ago, mwc said:

     We can't knows anythings!  Our worlds views is the absurd.

 

     If only there was another way that offered certainty...

 

          mwc

 

Don't you see it?

You make the statement as though you know it to be true while claiming you can't know anything.

 

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THERE IS NO ABSOLUTE TRUTH.

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9 minutes ago, TEG said:

THERE IS NO ABSOLUTE TRUTH.

...he states as an absolute.

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2 minutes ago, LuthAMF said:

Don't you see it?

You make the statement as though you know it to be true while claiming you can't know anything.

 

     You mean my bit of mockery was exactly as how I had intended?

 

     How do you think that happened?

 

          mwc

 

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The literal-minded have trouble with the absurd.  It used to get me in trouble at school.  I guess that is why some people need an inerrant revelation from god . . . .

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2 hours ago, mwc said:

     Exactly.  How *do* I know this?

 

     We both know epistemology is the only arrow in your quiver.

 

          mwc

 

And what's in yours? Marshmallows?

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2 minutes ago, LuthAMF said:

And what's in yours? Marshmallows?

     Ouch.  Direct hit.  At least I can take my marshmallows and have a little treat.

 

          mwc

 

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1 hour ago, TEG said:

The literal-minded have trouble with the absurd.  It used to get me in trouble at school.  I guess that is why some people need an inerrant revelation from god . . . .

It's no problem to grasp either. Literal is not to the exclusion of the absurd nor vice versa. 

 

 

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Often literal is absurd.

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54 minutes ago, TheRedneckProfessor said:

Often literal is absurd.

True. Still no reason to think "literal-minded" (a frivolous term at best) can't comprehend the absurd.

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1 hour ago, LuthAMF said:

True. Still no reason to think "literal-minded" (a frivolous term at best) can't comprehend the absurd.

Now, there's no call to put words in my mouth.

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11 hours ago, LuthAMF said:

See there @Joshpantera?

"What if's" all over the place!

 

In a world where uncertainties are primary, what else would there be aside from all myriad "what if's?"  

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6 hours ago, LuthAMF said:

True. Still no reason to think "literal-minded" (a frivolous term at best) can't comprehend the absurd.

 

You didn’t get it.

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7 hours ago, TEG said:

 

You didn’t get it.

Oh man....

I keep forgetting. It's only I (and we) who do not "get" your stuff.

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On 8/14/2019 at 5:33 PM, TEG said:

It seems to me that if there really were some sort of spiritual world that was accessible to man, then there would be some sort of universal human religion. 

There is most definitely a universal desire to know spiritual truths. That's why so many people who leave Christianity seek other spiritual avenues.

 

I think your question is actually why don't all humans have the  same spiritual beliefs. If you were a Christian then you already know the answer. There's an adversary. satan deceives people into believing things that are more utilitarian for their life at the moment. People buy into these deceptions because they want to. People love their ears to be tickled. Materialists are the same, btw. They buy into nutty fantasies like the AI singularity and star trek stuff.

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9 minutes ago, OrdinaryClay said:

There's an adversary. satan deceives people into believing things that are more utilitarian for their life at the moment. .

 

Do have anything other than the 'bible says so' to back up this claim?

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3 minutes ago, LogicalFallacy said:

 

Do have anything other than the 'bible says so' to back up this claim?

What definition of evidence do you use?

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23 minutes ago, OrdinaryClay said:

If you were a Christian then you already know the answer. There's an adversary. satan deceives people into believing things that are more utilitarian for their life at the moment.

 

OrdinaryClay, it may make you feel good to say things like this, but it is not anything that will convince an unbeliever.  Muslims say the same thing, and I would imagine the same of people in any theistic religion.  Stepping back and looking at the whole planet, there is no reason to choose your religion over any other, and good reasons to reject it.  And I am not going to argue; it has all been said before.

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28 minutes ago, OrdinaryClay said:

so many people

...but not all.  Therefore not universal. 

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